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Lol the British deep state (incl. Lord Mountbatten himself!) were literally planning on doing the exact same thing to Harold Wilson's Labour governments in the 60s & 70s https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/04/wil1-a19.html edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwork_Orange_(plot) multistability has issued a correction as of 07:57 on Oct 29, 2022 |
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dead gay comedy forums posted:It's perfectly natural. Thing is, there's indeed a moral and practical choice involved, which is what colleagues of Engels and others like him often said: "I stand to gain under socialism", namely that the improvement of general material conditions means the improvement of social welfare: the collective gain is a much greater one in social benefit than the individual. the thing that drove me to it is, no matter how comfortable i am *now* capital is always looking to squeeze blood out of the stone and if you haven't reached escape velocity and become a multi millionaire yourself, you might find yourself in the same boat as the millions of people who went from comfortable middle class to proletarization in the various crises that have popped up and will continue to pop up from now to the end of your life. there is no certainty in being a labor aristocrat, just the constant grinding nervous tension of "are they coming for me next??" the reason i'm a marxist is that my life got wrecked in 2008. i managed to recover but this poo poo is going to happen again and again. there's purely selfish and self-interested reasons to want socialism, that's the point of materialism mila kunis has issued a correction as of 08:57 on Oct 29, 2022 |
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Oct 29, 2022 08:53
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mila kunis posted:the thing that drove me to it is, no matter how comfortable i am *now* capital is always looking to squeeze blood out of the stone and if you haven't reached escape velocity and become a multi millionaire yourself, you might find yourself in the same boat as the millions of people who went from comfortable middle class to proletarization in the various crises that have popped up and will continue to pop up from now to the end of your life. there is no certainty in being a labor aristocrat, just the constant grinding nervous tension of "are they coming for me next??" I'm a Marxist because it seemed like a logical scientific explanation for my prior 30~ years of wondering "why is it so poo poo if we all want better?". It's amazing how many people scoff though, when scientific is word dropped.
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Oct 29, 2022 16:27
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Relevant to current discussion, just saw this and was thinking of giving it a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Paid_the_Piper%3F
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Oct 29, 2022 18:25
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dead gay comedy forums posted:It's perfectly natural. Thing is, there's indeed a moral and practical choice involved, which is what colleagues of Engels and others like him often said: "I stand to gain under socialism", namely that the improvement of general material conditions means the improvement of social welfare: the collective gain is a much greater one in social benefit than the individual. Good luck convincing Americans/the working poor to drop their ever expanding list of individual identities provided to them by bourgeois institutions in favor of class struggle (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 29, 2022 21:22
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MLSM posted:Good luck convincing Americans/the working poor to drop their ever expanding list of individual identities provided to them by bourgeois institutions in favor of class struggle Thanks I appreciate it 👍
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Oct 29, 2022 21:29
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In the spirit of marxism the truth is free my friend
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Oct 29, 2022 21:30
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In Training posted:Thanks I appreciate it 👍
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Oct 29, 2022 21:38
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It’s a difficult project but I can fix them.
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Oct 29, 2022 22:44
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Thanks to Prolekult channel on YT I’m picking up Biography of a Blunder by Edara because apparently it has a course correction on this Althusser stuff
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Oct 30, 2022 00:13
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MLSM posted:In the spirit of marxism the truth is free my friend Funny how your truth also happens to be the one that justifies being a lazy rear end in a top hat and doing nothing but you also get to be smug about it
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Oct 30, 2022 01:09
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MLSM posted:Good luck convincing Americans/the working poor to drop their ever expanding list of individual identities provided to them by bourgeois institutions in favor of class struggle If Marx were alive today his primary concern would be how woke everybody is
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Oct 30, 2022 02:01
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More threads need this kind of no-nonsense IK-ing
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Oct 30, 2022 02:03
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been thinking about the pending rail labor action and wondering when the last time there was a single time where US labor flexed this kind of muscle. obviously it's not happening yet, just curious if there's been a period in the last 50 odd years where there was a national shutdown of such a fundamental industry. have american oil workers ever walked out? a coast-to-coast postal service strike? Air Traffic Controllers is the obvious touch stone but I just cant see the biden admin having such a hardline response. If a democratic president pulls a Reagan the party's entire faux labor relationship would go up in ash overnight, membership of every AFL-CIO affiliate would tune out of the political arena at best and start to oust their union leadership at worst.
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Oct 30, 2022 03:27
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MLSM posted:Good luck convincing Americans/the working poor to drop their ever expanding list of individual identities provided to them by bourgeois institutions in favor of class struggle Idealistic, absurd, and infantile. “What happens or what can happen in the superstructure (“individual identities provided…”) thus depends in the last instance on what happens (or does not) in the base, between the productive forces and the relations of production. That is where the class struggle has its roots.”
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Oct 30, 2022 03:40
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As your elected senator, I am very concerned about the racism that has taken root in our sacred labor movement. This is why we are putting AOC and the squad in charge of what we call our "freedom corp" to keep the unions free of white supremacy. Thank you, and remember that president Buttigieg is up for re-election and he needs your help to defeat that racist, misogynistic Eric Trump. This is the most important election in our lifetime!
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Oct 30, 2022 03:41
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Sunny Side Up posted:Idealistic, absurd, and infantile. Sorry, Karl never considered pronouns, communism is doomed
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Oct 30, 2022 04:27
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In Training posted:been thinking about the pending rail labor action and wondering when the last time there was a single time where US labor flexed this kind of muscle. obviously it's not happening yet, just curious if there's been a period in the last 50 odd years where there was a national shutdown of such a fundamental industry. have american oil workers ever walked out? a coast-to-coast postal service strike? Air Traffic Controllers is the obvious touch stone but I just cant see the biden admin having such a hardline response. If a democratic president pulls a Reagan the party's entire faux labor relationship would go up in ash overnight, membership of every AFL-CIO affiliate would tune out of the political arena at best and start to oust their union leadership at worst. It's outside the 50 year mark but just after WW2 the unions were absolutely flexing their ability to shut down a good chunk of America as it was demobilizing.
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Oct 30, 2022 05:33
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American labor history is loving brutal and it's amazing that it has been managed to remove entirely from popular history.
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Oct 30, 2022 10:35
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New Halloween event: Hegel lootboxes https://twitter.com/claudeglass/status/1586178306206236675?s=20&t
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Oct 30, 2022 11:30
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Fish of hemp posted:American labor history is loving brutal and it's amazing that it has been managed to remove entirely from popular history. It’s wild to read something as mild as A People’s History when it just clicks why your school textbooks entirely glossed over 1880-1900, and always seemed to stop before WWII.
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Oct 30, 2022 13:24
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Sorry, Karl never considered pronouns, communism is doomed There’s this good video by this channel Swoletariat called Limits of Intersectionality that I like. It isn’t reductionism, it’s looking for a permanent rather than temporary (or false!) solution.
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Oct 30, 2022 13:26
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In Training posted:been thinking about the pending rail labor action and wondering when the last time there was a single time where US labor flexed this kind of muscle. obviously it's not happening yet, just curious if there's been a period in the last 50 odd years where there was a national shutdown of such a fundamental industry. have american oil workers ever walked out? a coast-to-coast postal service strike? Air Traffic Controllers is the obvious touch stone but I just cant see the biden admin having such a hardline response. If a democratic president pulls a Reagan the party's entire faux labor relationship would go up in ash overnight, membership of every AFL-CIO affiliate would tune out of the political arena at best and start to oust their union leadership at worst. Not really! This gives the numbers, only thing I personally remember lately are the teachers strikes that largely got nothing (at least where i am - state supreme court overruled the concessions lol)
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Oct 30, 2022 16:12
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In Training posted:been thinking about the pending rail labor action and wondering when the last time there was a single time where US labor flexed this kind of muscle. obviously it's not happening yet, just curious if there's been a period in the last 50 odd years where there was a national shutdown of such a fundamental industry. have american oil workers ever walked out? a coast-to-coast postal service strike? Air Traffic Controllers is the obvious touch stone but I just cant see the biden admin having such a hardline response. If a democratic president pulls a Reagan the party's entire faux labor relationship would go up in ash overnight, membership of every AFL-CIO affiliate would tune out of the political arena at best and start to oust their union leadership at worst.  maybe christmas can come early this year, and by early I mean delayed into next year by several months due to shipping issuesSunny Side Up posted:There’s this good video by this channel Swoletariat called Limits of Intersectionality that I like. It isn’t reductionism, it’s looking for a permanent rather than temporary (or false!) solution. I liked the explanation from The Deprogram - Importance of Intersectionality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6PtQeeJn8) which framed it as you need both as the skeletal and muscular systems of a movement; essentially, ignoring the real differences between how people are treated/what they've experienced in favor of purely class, is as misguided as treating those experiences as wholly independent from class
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Oct 30, 2022 17:52
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One of the nice things about America joining the 3rd world is that our revolutionary potential should expand exponentially. 
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Oct 30, 2022 17:54
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red sails recently put up a short essay by che guevara that i really liked: https://redsails.org/amiga-o-enemiga/ This whole defensive system is vital for the capitalists if they want to maintain their present system, but it also serves, for a period of time, the North American worker, since the abrupt loss of cheap sources of raw materials would immediately ignite the conflict inherent to the contradiction between capital and labor. So long as it is incapable of taking over the sources of production this result would be disastrous to it. I insist that we cannot demand that the working class of the North look past its own nose. It would be useless to try to explain, from afar, with the press totally in the hands of big capital, that the process of internal decomposition of capitalism can only be deferred for a while longer, but never stopped, by the totalitarian measures taken towards maintaining Latin America in a colonial state. The reaction, to a certain extent logical, of the working class, will be to support the United States, rallying behind any given slogan, as “anti-communism” happens to be in this case. On the other hand, it should not be forgotten that the function of the workers’ unions in the United States is rather to serve as a buffer between the two forces in conflict, and to surreptitiously sap the revolutionary power of the masses. Given this background, with American reality being what it is, it’s not difficult to suppose what will be the attitude of the working class of the North American country when the problem of the abrupt loss of markets and sources of cheap raw materials is definitively posed. This is, in my opinion, the stark reality facing Latin Americans. In the final analysis, the economic development of the United States and the need of its workers to maintain their standard of living means that our struggle for national liberation is not waged against a given social regime, but rather against the whole nation, bound as a bloc by the iron-clad supreme law of common interest, over their domination of the economic life of Latin America. Let us prepare, then, to fight against the entire people of the United States, for the fruit of victory will be not only economic liberation and social equality, but the acquisition of a new and very welcome younger brother: the proletariat of that country.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:22
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croup coughfield posted:Not really! This gives the numbers, only thing I personally remember lately are the teachers strikes that largely got nothing (at least where i am - state supreme court overruled the concessions lol) From what I can see, teachers threatening striking has been pretty successful locally at extracting concessions from management and forcing through them to negotiate. I see a lot of "teachers strike to begin Monday" headlines on Friday followed by "teachers strike averted" headlines on Monday when it's time for contract negotiations. Even in the cases where they do strike, it's usually very short as teachers strikes directly gently caress with pretty much every local business as suddenly all the parents who rely on school as daycare have to take care of their kids. All the local small business petty tyrants who'll campaign hard against teacher raise referendums because MUH TAXES will be calling up management demanding settlement when their workers can't come in because no one has daycare. I'm unclear on exactly how effective it is at securing major concessions, but it sure does seem to be effective at forcing contracts through.
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Oct 30, 2022 18:26
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Sunny Side Up posted:It’s wild to read something as mild as A People’s History when it just clicks why your school textbooks entirely glossed over 1880-1900, and always seemed to stop before WWII. (I know this is Pre-Reconstruction) I don't think Bacons Rebellion was ever taught in schools BornAPoorBlkChild has issued a correction as of 19:08 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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Oct 30, 2022 19:05
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What's a good source for the history of the American labor movement?
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Oct 30, 2022 19:07
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I'm almost finished with the people's history of ideas podcast on the Chinese revolution and need something new.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:08
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Cpt_Obvious posted:What's a good source for the history of the American labor movement? https://depts.washington.edu/moves/ This isn't by any means a definitive source but it does have the history of labor + socialist movements in the US.
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Oct 30, 2022 19:35
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Sunny Side Up posted:Idealistic, absurd, and infantile. Socialism with American (liberal) Characteristics has never worked and never will
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Oct 31, 2022 01:26
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What if the petite-bourgeois are the real revolutionary class?
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Oct 31, 2022 01:40
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You want me to have solidarity with the blue-haired nose-pierced Starbucks workers? Sorry, I support socialism for the respectable man; you know; the guys who works with his hands and his own tools. The people who built America.
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Oct 31, 2022 01:43
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unwantedplatypus posted:You want me to have solidarity with the blue-haired nose-pierced Starbucks workers? Sorry, I support socialism for the respectable man; you know; the guys who works with his hands and his own tools. The people who built America. lol
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Oct 31, 2022 02:00
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unwantedplatypus posted:You want me to have solidarity with the blue-haired nose-pierced Starbucks workers? Sorry, I support socialism for the respectable man; you know; the guys who works with his hands and his own tools. The people who built America. I don't think the slaves had their own tools
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Oct 31, 2022 02:38
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unwantedplatypus posted:What if the petite-bourgeois are the real revolutionary class? Well it sure as poo poo isn't American internet posting socialists.
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Oct 31, 2022 11:24
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Fish of hemp posted:Well it sure as poo poo isn't American internet posting socialists. Wait what do you think "class" is?
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Oct 31, 2022 11:38
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Fish of hemp posted:Well it sure as poo poo isn't American internet posting socialists. You want to do revolution and yet you use the internet. How curious?
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Russian bolsheviks: Hard men with hard bodies and hard dicks working at the labor factory for 10 hours a day on 2 biscuits an hour. American "socialists": Weak, soy, uses the internet; plays on their iphone while making coffee.
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