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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Maybe there is a better thread for but how did the terms "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" come to be ascribed as characteristics of communism?

Post ww2 propaganda creating terms that could be used to flatten the differences between the far right and the far left

See also "populism"

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Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

orwell, arendt, and popper really dived into popularizing those terms

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty
Domenic Losurdo has a good article about it: Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism. A pdf is not too hard to find

I also seem to recall a decent article in New Left Review or its blog about some of this. it mentions Pinochet specifically. Here it is: https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/rule-by-target seems to be reviewing a book I should probably get around to reading

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Maybe there is a better thread for but how did the terms "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" come to be ascribed as characteristics of communism?

totalitarianism is a hannah arendt creation

authoritarianism i think comes from someone engels argued with, hence "have any of these gentlemen seen a revolution?"

e: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

quote:

Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?

Therefore, either one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don't know what they're talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion; or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the movement of the proletariat. In either case they serve the reaction.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
Sometimes reading old Wikipedia Talk threads can give me needed laughter


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_capitalist_regimes_(2nd_nomination)

quote:


Delete. I agree with @Paul Siebert insomuch as this appears to be a twin to Mass killings under Communist regimes. The issue is that a large number of communist regimes employed terror as an ongoing and accepted means of population control and opposition eradication, whereas mass killings, for example, by a fascist, yet capitalist, regime, belong to the "fascist" regime (speaking to motivation, purpose, results), i.e., Mass killings under fascist regimes; there is no capitalist impetus to kill off anyone to improve profits. While ostensibly appearing to fill in a gap of the "opposite" missing, the fundamentals here don't support any raison d'ętre. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 18:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Tempora Mutantur
Feb 22, 2005

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tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

DirtyRobot posted:

Domenic Losurdo has a good article about it: Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism. A pdf is not too hard to find

I also seem to recall a decent article in New Left Review or its blog about some of this. it mentions Pinochet specifically. Here it is: https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/rule-by-target seems to be reviewing a book I should probably get around to reading

http://www.pssp.org/bbs/data/document/1/Losurdo___Critique_of_Totalitarianism_%282004%29.pdf

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/NotNihal/status/1587830645861982208?cxt=HHwWgICpoenjjYksAAAA

Rip to a real one :(

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Losurdo's critique of totalitarianism is good, as is the one by William Pietz: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-llWfc0Y5NKFMfEtO

Aeolius has issued a correction as of 04:36 on Nov 4, 2022

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

She's right.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Falstaff posted:

She's right.

not normal, but right

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

it's always nice to see personal growth from someone who was previously running jacobin reading groups

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 65 days!

Falstaff posted:

She's right.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Falstaff posted:

She's right.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

atelier morgan posted:

not normal, but right

New thread or CSPAM subtitle please.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



https://twitter.com/TeamsterRnF/status/1589270802926796801

CPUSA's strategy to support the dems is paying off!

cenotaph has issued a correction as of 01:02 on Nov 7, 2022

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I think Maduro posts a Trotsky appreciation tweet every year
https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1589582030748061696?s=20&t=W2XuPGJTol0XfF0-NLkFpg

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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does this upset u, marxism thread? are u triggered??

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

it must put western trots in an awkward spot when one of the targets of the US state department, an institution they're 100% aligned with, posts nice things about the man

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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unbelievably stupid to take that bait

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
they were just nibblin the hook wasnt even set

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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if u want to bitch about some tendency you must have a coherent ideology of your own

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
no investigation, no right to kvetch

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

croup coughfield posted:

does this upset u, marxism thread? are u triggered??

think he did a good job as the head of the red army, dont know about the other stuff

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Weak beard game. Absolutely shameful. You think you're gonna win a power struggle against Stalin's muscular mustache with that wispy bullshit? Please.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

croup coughfield posted:

does this upset u, marxism thread? are u triggered??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W7c8QghPxk

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

croup coughfield posted:

unbelievably stupid to take that bait

what bait

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/1942/02/16/archives/stalin-is-named-chief-by-american-indians.html

What the hell, lmfao I just discovered this. Can someone with archive access post the entire article?

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
honorary POC Joseph Stalin

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
The Black Legend

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

animist
Aug 28, 2018

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Weak beard game. Absolutely shameful. You think you're gonna win a power struggle against Stalin's muscular mustache with that wispy bullshit? Please.

communism is stored in the facial hair :hmmyes:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

animist posted:

communism is stored in the facial hair :hmmyes:

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1N0IvW6HyI

animist
Aug 28, 2018
yeah that's what inspired on contradiction

e: oh also I enjoyed those totalitarianism pdfs posted a few pages back, ty whoever posted those

animist has issued a correction as of 00:53 on Nov 11, 2022

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

animist posted:

yeah that's what inspired on contradiction

e: oh also I enjoyed those totalitarianism pdfs posted a few pages back, ty whoever posted those

mind quoting the post? not sure if i missed it or not

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Has anyone been paying attention to libertarian spaces?
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1591261433387716608

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animist
Aug 28, 2018

HiroProtagonist posted:

mind quoting the post? not sure if i missed it or not


Aeolius posted:

Losurdo's critique of totalitarianism is good, as is the one by William Pietz: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-llWfc0Y5NKFMfEtO

lmao wait it was this page I just have goldfish brain

animist has issued a correction as of 04:51 on Nov 12, 2022

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