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Pinterest Mom posted:sixteen minute gap between those two posts. first thing i noticed too. absolutely seething
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Pinterest Mom posted:sixteen minute gap between those two posts. 3:04 am: bedtime 3:20 am: back for more sick burns
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wolrah posted:I probably spent more time on this than I should have... lol quotin for next page
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wolrah posted:I probably spent more time on this than I should have... 
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https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1591827463583453190 fight fight fight fight
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Trillhouse posted:https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1591827463583453190 congress actually might because he somehow managed to piss off literally everyone
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quote:Or Congress will.
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Trillhouse posted:https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1591827463583453190 regulation? in my private enterprise?
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Trillhouse posted:https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1591827463583453190 🤣
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Dijkstracula posted:I'll believe that when I see it https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1591830668522434560
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I'll reiterate that american government is fundamentally opposed to doing anything beyond tweeting out a good soundbite and this is as far as we should expect it to ever go; if that changes and any of his companies are materially affected because of this feel free to quote this and dunk on me in a year's time
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speaking of full self dying, i'll spoiler it because i think it might actually show people dying, but there's a video being investigated by chinese authorities of a tesla auto-parking and then taking off at full speed down the road https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1591817128893911047
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njsykora posted:speaking of full self dying, i'll spoiler it because i think it might actually show people dying, but there's a video being investigated by chinese authorities of a tesla auto-parking and then taking off at full speed down the road Tweet deleted
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Yeah it was an untagged snuff video. Straight up shows the car running people down.
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Jesus Christ. If you didn't get to see it, the Tesla scoots over to park on a dirt driveway, then a motorbike passes by it, the car decides it's time to drive, swerves into the oncoming lane to bass the bike, the just loving FLOORS it. Crashes into a bike, clips a motorcyclist, crashes into a barrier and starts flaming. Did someone stroke out or someshit.
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ADINSX posted:Tweet deleted it showed a tesla turning off the road to park, then suddenly turning back onto the road (after a guy on a scooter had just passed), swerving and then flooring it, hitting another scooter and flinging the rider into the air, then a bicycle (didn't seem as deadly), completely destroying one of those mini trucks that it plows through, then swerving out of control and crashing into a building. the crashes with the scooter and the mini truck looked absolutely deadly. horrific stuff i couldn't tell if there was someone in the car, but i don't think they'd be able to drive it like that, through three crashes and at that speed but hey, self driving tech is right around the corner!
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ADINSX posted:Tweet deleted https://old.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/ytvo2g/tesla_lost_control_when_parking_and_took_off_to/
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Ah this is it reuploaded https://twitter.com/ZohaibAkhtarMD/status/1591767692435931137 The text of the tweet: quote:Hope its not flagged down since #tesla and #twitter is under same entity. More info: The driver (Mr. Zhan) said when he was attempting to park his Tesla, the brake pedal went too hard to push and pressing P mode also didn’t help.
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two confirmed dead, three injured so far on a quick baidu search tesla is actually in real danger here as regulators in the PRC have teeth
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That's terrifying, I didn't watch until the end but of course tesla would design a car with no way to physically stop the flow of power to the battery/engage the brakes
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i found the video again multiple people clearly die, do not watch it if that is something you can't handle https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1591822506327158786 bad is an understatement
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ADINSX posted:That's terrifying, I didn't watch until the end but of course tesla would design a car with no way to physically stop the flow of power to the battery/engage the brakes if you watch it from the beginning it's even worse. fuckin thing floors it from a dead stop and just doesn't let up
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ADINSX posted:That's terrifying, I didn't watch until the end but of course tesla would design a car with no way to physically stop the flow of power to the battery/engage the brakes Honestly the entire industry is moving away from this. I'm still in 10 years ago mode where I knew that if anything went wrong I could shift my yaris into neutral and apply the hand brake; it doesn't get much simpler/safer than a cable to a drum brake. But if my lexus ran away on me I'm not sure what I'd do: the engine start/stop is a button that in theory could be ignored by the computer, the auto transmission is electronic I think.... I think it does still have an emergency brake (and obviously, and most importantly, it doesn't pretend that it "self drives") Beeftweeter posted:if you watch it from the beginning it's even worse. fuckin thing floors it from a dead stop and just doesn't let up Edit: yeah I saw that. That's what got me thinking about my old yaris: Around that time there was a rumor/issue with the accelerators on toyota priuses flooring it. Some thought it was a software bug, some thought it was the floor mat coming lose and pressing on the gas. It got me thinking back then how I would deal with it if it happened to me, but I had a manual transmission car
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thats why i like the control setup on most* motorcycles you are taught that in a panic situation, you grab both levers and stomp down with both feet left hand disengages the clutch right hand rolls off throttle and applies front brake left foot downshifts so you're ready to accelerate out of something if needed right foot applies rear brake * race bikers reverse the up/down on the shift lever because they want to downshift to accelerate out of a turn, and they lean so much that you don't want to be tucking your foot underneath the lever in a left hand turn
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I'd really really like emergency brakes to be a purely mechanical thing, so you at least have something for actual emergencies, instead of just using it for parking on slopes. but yeah, they're probably going to be replaced by a software toggle
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yeah I thought this was like "trying to park and swerved across the road, taking out a moped" but holy gently caress that is insane
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uh-oh, the car made a blocking network call to check that you've subscribed to the ebrake feature and now you've lost steering too
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EricBauman posted:I'd really really like emergency brakes to be a purely mechanical thing, so you at least have something for actual emergencies, instead of just using it for parking on slopes. yeah even in F1 cars now it's non-mechanical pedals because it makes the car lighter which has meant some genuinely loving terrifying moments when a driver's brake has just stopped working, i think it was charles leclerc a few years ago in monaco who just had no braking coming out of the tunnel and had to ram his car into the side wall so he didn't go into a barrier at full speed
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Jonny 290 posted:thats why i like the control setup on most* motorcycles I also appreciate the giant red "THIS BUTTON TURNS OFF THE BIKE" switch that the MSF teaches you to always use when turning off the bike. The theory I guess: you know exactly where it is and flipping it on and off is muscle memory because you use it to start/stop the bike
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:yeah I thought this was like "trying to park and swerved across the road, taking out a moped" but holy gently caress that is insane the crazy thing is that it dodged the first bike, then a car, went further down the road, and only then decided  i'm curious if the crash into the building was the computer or the driver
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that tesla video is insane, and if the car was genuinely out of control, it's yet another example of why they need to be taken off the road immediately. honestly though? it looks a lot like the bafflingly common situation where someone mistakes the gas pedal for the brake, takes off like a bat out of hell, and in a panic their brain locks up and they keep stomping on the "brake" and never letting up and the car does exactly what they're commanding it to do. ask an insurance investigator -- old people do this all the time. there are only like two frames in the video where you can see the rear of the car while it's at speed, and they're lovely quality, but i don't see the third center-mounted brake light lit up. i don't think the driver was actually on the brakes like he says. incidentally, the majority of claimed toyota "unintended acceleration" incidents turned out to be old geezers mixing up the pedals in just this way. that was a genuine problem with the cars, but it took a specific set of actions to initiate and it wasn't as common as media and police reports made it seem. EricBauman posted:I'd really really like emergency brakes to be a purely mechanical thing, so you at least have something for actual emergencies, instead of just using it for parking on slopes. they already are electronic. most new cars have a parking brake button that tells the computer to drive a gearmotor to pull on the cable that sets the parking brake. thankfully, there is no way this system could fail. Dijkstracula posted:uh-oh, the car made a blocking network call to check that you've subscribed to the ebrake feature and now you've lost steering too we're at most two steps away from this
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also this is yet another reason manual transmission vehicles are better: even if you're a dumbass who can't stop stepping on the gas pedal, you have two separate mechanical controls that will instantly disconnect the engine from the wheels. i assume most modern automatic transmissions are just a switch connected to the transmission control computer and sliding to neutral will do nothing if the computer fails. that's bad. they should have at least an emergency handle under the dash etc that pulls a cable and mechanically drops the transmission into neutral or separates the driveline somehow. electric cars should have the same thing. please make me in charge of the FMVSS thanks
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i'd say explosive bolts would be a cool way to do it EXCEPT we're talking about teslas here and well
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electric cars should just have a giant "SHUT THE gently caress OFF" button that kills the power coupled with a mechanical emergency brake
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Jesus Christ I thought all of that occurred within the span of a block, not a multi-camera 3km freak-out. dioxazine posted:regulators in the PRC have teeth 
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if elon actually knew what was cool he'd be building the spaceX rockets with manual transmissions
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Sagebrush posted:they already are electronic. most new cars have a parking brake button that tells the computer to drive a gearmotor to pull on the cable that sets the parking brake. thankfully, there is no way this system could fail. i haven't owned a new car since my bottom tier toyota aygo in 2011, so I didn't know that. i guess that means that it's unlikely we can put that genie back into the bottle. The_Franz posted:the crazy thing is that it dodged the first bike, then a car, went further down the road, and only then decided I think the last crash damaged it enough that it had to happen. One of the tweets mentioned a tire blowing out, so that would get them spinning out of control
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Beeftweeter posted:electric cars should just have a giant "SHUT THE gently caress OFF" button that kills the power coupled with a mechanical emergency brake the thing is, you're going to have to build a pretty insane disconnect for this. the requirements would be: * not doing this with silicon alone. transistors and mosfets and IGBTs can fail short. no point in doing this if it's not a five nines reliability thing. * strong 'engaged' holding power, because you can't have a little tiny spring on there while the car's rattling around and hitting bumps, interrupting 400 volts at 800 amps or whatever these goddamned things run at * really wide 'open' terminals because if you don't do that, it's just gonna arc * probably some sort of arc suppression pursuant to point 2 so we're probably looking at a pretty strong action on the solenoid and little compressed tank of SF6 that can both blow the contacts open and flood the solenoid chamber to suppress the arc
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