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Drakkel posted:To be fair Luffy's made of rubber so obviously he can hit Enel without needing haki He actually couldn't hit Enel without using Haki if Enel turned to lightning, when he hit him initially it involved rebounding attacks off the wall so that even Luffy didn't know where they would hit. The rubber just meant Enel couldn't hurt him. Ironically, the reason Luffy can hit Enel in the end is the giant conductive gold ball Enel places on his arm.
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Drakkel posted:To be fair Luffy's made of rubber so obviously he can hit Enel without needing haki But Sanji has Haki now, so why would he have any trouble hitting Enel?
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Ah, I was talking about physically touching Enel not whether or not he can dodge them. Also part of me wants to see an AU of One Piece where Haki isn't a thing so Luffy kept having to find things that let him punch logia fruit users. Like Luffy punching Kizaru with a mirror strapped to his fist or something.
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Drakkel posted:Ah, I was talking about physically touching Enel not whether or not he can dodge them. Luffy closes his eyes so he simply can't see the light that Kizaru is firing. Everybody starts screaming angrily that this shouldn't make any difference, but it's Luffy so it does!
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Nov 27, 2022 02:36
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I just want to see Luffy team up with Foxy to beat Kizaru.
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MonsterEnvy posted:He's actually not that impressive. Maybe we'll see sooner rather than later. I give this arc about even odds of going to Elbaf or Fairy Vearth. If the Space Pirates are ever going to be relevant and woven back into the main story, this is the time to do it. I know it'll feel weird to run into an old antagonist in a completely new context, but we've already got Lucci here. Let Crocodile and whatever's left of Moria show up and you've got a full Paradise antagonist reunion.
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Elbaf is going to be a decent length arc but at the end when it comes to the Poneglyph... "Oh, that? We were worried someone would steal it so we threw it to the moon."
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Eiba posted:I feel like people overcompensate in dismissing Enel's potential. If Crocodile can come back and hang out with the Emperors, Enel can come back and do the same. It's an interesting revelation that he would not effortlessly Lord it over everyone on the Blue Seas like he did in the sky, but that doesn't mean he's stuck at sub-Sanji levels. All he needs is a dream and possibly an army of moon robots to back him up. I imagine a potential return of Enel being a sort of dragon ball z freeza situation; "this guy always had the potential to be disgustingly powerful, but was always just a big fish in a small pond. But he's strong now." It might make for a fun movie, I guess.
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Eiba posted:I feel like people overcompensate in dismissing Enel's potential. If Crocodile can come back and hang out with the Emperors, Enel can come back and do the same. It's an interesting revelation that he would not effortlessly Lord it over everyone on the Blue Seas like he did in the sky, but that doesn't mean he's stuck at sub-Sanji levels. All he needs is a dream and possibly an army of moon robots to back him up. Croc’s always been a bigger deal than Enel.
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Croc can't hang with emperors though, they'd destroy him. He's strong and so is Enel but they're not top 10.
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enel has a really broke fruit and knows how to use it and mid tier observation haki. he would probably be like just shy of a yonko commander right off the bat.
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Brandfarlig posted:Croc can't hang with emperors though, they'd destroy him. He's strong and so is Enel but they're not top 10. I could see Croc suddenly being at that level now. The relationship with Mihawk is presented as one of equals.
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Drakkel posted:Also part of me wants to see an AU of One Piece where Haki isn't a thing so Luffy kept having to find things that let him punch logia fruit users. Like Luffy punching Kizaru with a mirror strapped to his fist or something. This is the ideal version of One Piece.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I could see Croc suddenly being at that level now. The relationship with Mihawk is presented as one of equals. I think the deal with Buggy is almost entirely on the back of the followers he has and the territory he holds, since his organization is truly international. He's an emperor because he holds the territory of one, but that doesn't necessarily mean anyone in his organisation is emperor level. On the other hand, yeah Mihawk is supposed to be a combat rival of Shanks (and simply lacks the territory/organisation to be considered an emperor). I think Crocodile might be below Mihawk, but does all the organisation stuff that Mihawk doesn't want to do.
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Brandfarlig posted:Croc can't hang with emperors though, they'd destroy him. He's strong and so is Enel but they're not top 10. Lord_Magmar posted:I think the deal with Buggy is almost entirely on the back of the followers he has and the territory he holds, since his organization is truly international. He's an emperor because he holds the territory of one, but that doesn't necessarily mean anyone in his organisation is emperor level. I kind of feel like Cross Guild would basically be Mihawk's crew, if Mihawk cared at all about having a crew. He's happy to let Crocodile run the serious stuff and Buggy to be the figurehead.
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I think it's bunk when people make these static observations of Power Levels being this and that as though Crocodile couldn't also have had a two year timeskip that he spent becoming more powerful.
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i think croc is really strong now and kind of always was and it was just a plot hole you can kind of use haki to explain away (croc got wrecked and getting wrecked makes ur haki weaker bc its litearlly willpower and being sad makes will power worse) and oda just kinda hosed up bc of the scale of the story
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If I recall Oda said he introduced Crocodile too early for his level in the story. Like I can easily see the final Pirate battle for the One Piece being a three way fight between Luffy, Blackbeard, and Crocodile with Buggy cowering in the corner.
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Bleck posted:I think it's bunk when people make these static observations of Power Levels being this and that as though Crocodile couldn't also have had a two year timeskip that he spent becoming more powerful. That doesn't mean he's gotta be Mihawk's equal.
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Buggy's whole deal is his organizational bullshitting skills. He is Emperor level by taking the "power of this crew" to the nth degree. His crew is, in aggregate, considered one of the strongest even if their (now figurehead) leader is a putz. Cross Guild is recognized for the danger it poses in totality, not individually.Eiba posted:"Not on the same level as Mihawk" is not exactly weak if you consider Mihawk is in Shanks league, who was in Whitebeard's league. I'm not saying Crocodile isn't incredibly strong, and presumably much stronger after he got a new dream right before the time skip. Mihawk was at one point Shanks-level, but that was before Shanks was a Yonko, which he only did some time after losing his arm and Mihawk losing interest in dueling him. At present in the story Mihawk is absolutely not Shanks' equal. Mihawk has ostensibly no ambition or interest in much of anything, as opposed to Shanks clearly having some as-of-yet unknown "master plan".
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MonsterEnvy posted:He's actually not that impressive. Don't care, still love him ❤️ Also you're wrong, come at me bro EDIT: ⬆️ this guy gets it, Shanks has no interest in the Game of Thrones power struggle, he's the dude living his Best Life and since he's so good at it he decides to roll with the Kingmaker status he's been given and steer the world order in the right direction White Light fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Reminder that Luffy only beat Crocodile through an intense amount of luck.
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I think when Enel returns he will have the same kind of retcon-like powerup as Crocodile. You can say any armament haki user could beat him all you want but I would assume his lightning at max power is much stronger than what Nami or Big Mom can create, and we know that's at least strong enough to KO someone like Ulti. We only saw max power attacks against Luffy who is immune to the direct damage from them. If he even got a little stronger offscreeb it'd be very easy to slot him in the billion+ bounty level right now.
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Yeah Croc's a victim of power creep but he's also the guy who literally beat Luffy twice decisively before losing. And Luffy nearly died all 3 times.
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MonsterEnvy posted:If I recall Oda said he introduced Crocodile too early for his level in the story. This has been said multiple times in the thread and every time somebody asks for the source and nobody has it, iirc.
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Anyways more fanart time cause we just had break week. This post is ポテトルス! They've done a lot of series-type pieces that I dig! Spoilers for Film Red! Sorta. I just watched Film Red in Korea yesterday so I'm in a very big Film Red mood. Movie villains! And not just One Piece Film ones! https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1570141654946025474 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1589333898307473408 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1589699549119250432 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1589863852262711297 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1589900315838775297 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1589981946326966274 This one's cool, it's a series of images of each of Uta's songs from the movie! https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1574494529150849024 Another series I really dig, and the one that made me wanna post this artist here. It's the artist's take on the ending of Film Red, where you see the people from the movie return to their lives after the events of the movie. It's neat because it includes the movie villains, too. You can also tell the artist buys into "the guy meeting with Crocus was Shiki" theory. https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573011467997020160 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573011606979477505 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573011677410254848 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573011777574428672 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573011872801882112 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1573028056465145857 Some other random Film Red pieces. https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1570997324444475392 https://twitter.com/kankan33333/status/1568320472269594626 ZepiaEltnamOberon fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Gonna go turn my brain off and watch Movie 5 cause I dig the hell out of the villain design and it's dope they actually decided to dive into Zoro's pirate hunter days. It did a better job at embellishing Zoro's backstory than loving Wano (lol)
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Crazyeyes posted:Mihawk was at one point Shanks-level, but that was before Shanks was a Yonko, which he only did some time after losing his arm and Mihawk losing interest in dueling him. At present in the story Mihawk is absolutely not Shanks' equal. Mihawk has ostensibly no ambition or interest in much of anything, as opposed to Shanks clearly having some as-of-yet unknown "master plan". Just because Shanks has a higher "rank" doesn't mean he's obviously stronger. We don't really have any evidence on the subject besides some insinuation from Mihawk.
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Do we agree that Enel was just making those numbers up for the attacks, right?
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Eiba posted:I mean that might be true. But it might not be. Mihawk said he was no longer interested in Shanks because he no longer was a worthy rival or whatever. You seem to be assuming that's not the case and he just gave up for other reasons and now Shanks is way stronger. Honestly, that's plausible. But so is the idea that Mihawk is just that strong as an individual, and Shanks is a Yonkou because of his orginization/influence/interest in the One Piece/something else that Mihawk lacks. I don't think we have any reasonable evidence to the contrary. It's specifically related to Shanks losing his dominant arm, he's no longer a worthwhile rival Swordsman specifically.
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So, all the Seraphim are devil fruit powered modified clone/cyborg hybrids, who play off the innate abilities of the original. However, one thing that One Piece has made very clear is that every swordsman/woman gets good through hard work and dedication. Swordsmanship isn't innate, it's earned. So why is Seraphim Mihawk a sword dude? Unless it's just setting up for the Marines to send in Seraphim Mihawk against an actual sword dude who mercs it and then lectures the Marines about swordsmanship. Funky Valentine posted:Reminder that Luffy only beat Crocodile through an intense amount of luck. Nah, Cobra loading up Alabasta's ancient Dvorak Tone Dial was a huge assist. Also it's always badass as gently caress when Crocodile realizes Luffy's attacks are connecting because kid's using his own blood instead of water.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Another series I really dig, and the one that made me wanna post this artist here. It's the artist's take on the ending of Film Red, where you see the people from the movie return to their lives after the events of the movie. It's neat because it includes the movie villains, too. You can also tell the artist buys into "the guy meeting with Crocus was Shiki" theory. They're all good, but the one of Im is great.
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Lord_Magmar posted:It's specifically related to Shanks losing his dominant arm, he's no longer a worthwhile rival Swordsman specifically. My general impression was that they were on the same level, and Mihawk stopped testing himself against Shanks after he lost his arm, and so we don't have any notion of how powerful they are vs each other anymore. In other words I have no reason to believe that one has meaningfully surpassed the other. You could imagine that Mihawk stopped giving a poo poo and fell behind Shanks and his haki or whatever, or you can imagine that Shanks losing an arm actually made a difference and Mihawk is actually way stronger in terms of dueling ability specifically. Who knows. But my position is that I'm not going to assume Mihawk is somehow way weaker than Shanks when the only evidence we have is that Mihawk doesn't consider Shanks a worthy rival anymore. That's a bunch of words to say that "the world's greatest swordsman" is probably pretty strong.
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Mihawk's power level should always be number 2 slightly behind whoever is the strongest, so when Luffy beats the strongest and Zoro beats Mihawk he will be in his rightful place.
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Eiba posted:I understand that but it's not clear if that's true. Is shanks a worse swordsman with one arm? Does that mean he's currently a weaker fighter than he used to be? Is he somehow a worse swordsman but still stronger in general (maybe because of haki)? This is my guess. There has to be some way for him to compete and earn his Yonko title. His crew has no devil fruits and his swordsmanship is worse since he lost the arm (according to Mihawk losing interest in fighting him, the guy seems pretty good at assessing sword ability). So Haki seems to be the place where he could make up the difference and for all we know Shanks is the strongest Conqueror's Haki user alive right now. Though fighting someone like that probably isn't interesting to Mihawk because swords is his thing. It's not like Mihawk is rushing to fight someone like Kaido. So even if Shanks is stronger than Mihawk overall, it would still make sense for Mihawk to have no interest in someone who isn't going to match his swordsmanship. But yeah, no idea who'd win in a fight, but I don't think Mihawk's lack of interest means that Shanks must be weaker than him.
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Eiba posted:I understand that but it's not clear if that's true. Is shanks a worse swordsman with one arm? Does that mean he's currently a weaker fighter than he used to be? Is he somehow a worse swordsman but still stronger in general (maybe because of haki)? Shanks isn't Inigo Montoya. Losing his dominant hand would mean that his dueling on a strict swordsmanship bases will be worse than before. Maybe he's been practicing for the last 12 years and he's got that edge back, but it's doubtful that Shanks is as good a pure swordsman as he was. It's important to remember that pure swordsmanship and friendly dueling isn't the same as overall fighting ability and damage ability. Sparing is different from fighting just as much with weapons as it is unarmed. So Shanks and Mihawk having sick duels doesn't actually tell you how strong they are relative to each other. Like, maybe me and my buddy love to box each other, but I'm actually a kickboxer and he's a regular boxer. Losing one of my arms is going to affect me far differently than him, but he's definitely not going to want to spar with me anymore. This is especially important with Shanks, a guy we've never actually seen fight before. Like, before he lost his arm did he dual wield, use a shield, or some odd way of coating his non-dominant hand in haki? What if he had a weird as gently caress capoeira swordsmanship style that he's had to completely rework now that he can't do hand stands? Maybe he was actually the strongest fighter in the world before, but now he's just top tier.
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Lord_Magmar posted:It's specifically related to Shanks losing his dominant arm, he's no longer a worthwhile rival Swordsman specifically. Though notably Shanks has gotten stronger since then, he was not even an Emperor when he lost it. Mihawk probably is just not interested, cause he feels it's a handicap.
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