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iris has been demanding 150% of my attention for like a week straight and i am so exhausted  she's always full on but right now, just this week, it feels like she wants to be playing 24 hours a day and will not entertain herself under any circumstances. if i put her outside she either starts barking or harasses the birds until i have to come out and intervene. if she's inside and i'm trying to do something else, she will start tearing stuff up in front of me to make me react. she's nine and a half months old, i hope it's just a phase. actual photo a strange fowl fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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I love this lol Yeah puppies definitely have a teenage phase where they try to push boundaries as much as possible to see how you'll react, stay strong! Chop Chop says woof  The kid loves baby shark so Chop Chop loves baby shark
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 Adorable right? Don't believe that face for a second. I'm mostly joking, but Christmas Night was rough for us. We both were making mistakes. Basically, Christmas destroyed the routine he just got used to. Mum and Dad came 'round for Christmas which hosed with him 'cos he had just got comfy in the house and suddenly there's MORE people? What's the pecking order here?! Plus Melbourne has a heat wave. He's never had a hot day. I don't think he's a fan of them. At loving all. So he slept through lunch. He had dinner and I assumed he'd be okay. But at night basically all of the above came out at once. He was hangry. He had to pee at unusual times which confused him (and me). He had shitloads of energy 'cos he spent the whole day sleeping and he had no idea what to do with it. He was threatned 'cos he thought he had the pack order sorted and then suddenly there are these two new people telling him what to do? What bullshit is this? Poor guy had too many emotions and didn't know what to do with them all. He had a SUUPER sleepy face. So I was trying to put him down in his crate. He WAS tired...but he had a shitload of energy. He DIDN'T WANNA. Plus he was hangry and confused. So he would literally barge past me out of the crate and into the living room. In which he had a great time doing things he never has done before and kinda knows not to because the breeder has been an amazing trainer. He chewed furniture, climbed on things, couldn't be re-directed, he didn't want to be physically moved anywhere else...he pissed once or twice... And he was acting angry to me. Basically he was saying: "I HAVE ALL THESE EMOTIONS AND YOU'RE THE ONE LOOKING AFTER ME SO IT'S YOUR FAULT I'M BEING LIKE THIS" But all of this is in hindsight. All I saw was a puppy going mental with glee, but then act angry to me. So I couldn't figure out what was bothering him 'cos he was happy as long as I wasn't interacting with him, but he was being so destructive, I had to? At one point he KINDA snapped at me as well. Puppy jail time. Locked him in his crate, walked away so he couldn't see me and waited for him to calm down. He cried and oh my god I didn't realise puppy crying was a thing. What a loving heartbreaking noise. AND SO GODDAMN LOUD. I assumed it was just a whimper but no, it's legit a cry and it's the most soul-destroying, guilt-trip noise I've ever heard. I was caving but he stopped AS I was caving and let him out when he was quiet. He ran past me and ignored me but was...better-ish. He then moved to the back door. When outside he was chewing on his empty food bowl. So I fed him and that settled him down a lot. I tried to bring him in but he was still super hyper. So I just sat outside with him until like...midnight, waiting for him to burn off crazy frustrated energy. After he snored for 5 minutes, I bought him in, he was too tired to resist then. I put him in his crate and...things kinda went back to normal. He had a bunch of sulky attitude with me this morning, but then later on in the day he fell asleep on me giving hugs. So I think we okay again. In hindsight, trying to make him settle when he had all those emotions triggered an alpha response. He was trying to out-alpha me. He lives with me, and I'd spent the past few days doting on him and giving him everything and spoiling him rotten (YOU say "No" to that face. Go on) so that was the time he decided to shoot his shot. I won with puppy jail but nobody likes to lose in an alpha competition. His energy skyrocketed again tonight 'cos it was another hot day and he spent most of the day sleeping. But rather than try to fight him, we just went outside and I let him run himself stupid. Waited until he had been snoring for 5 minutes...bought him in...and we fine. So I know how to handle it now when he gets like that. But I also hope he learns to make his needs more obvious besides just being a shithead to me. He probably won't though. GET A PUPPY THEY SAID. IT'S SO NICE THEY SAID. ...he just stretched in his sleep. Fuckin...okay yeah he's okay.
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I don't think I could deal with a puppy. I'm 40 I vibe with older dog energy.
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a strange fowl posted:iris has been demanding 150% of my attention for like a week straight and i am so exhausted teenage dog phase is the hardest and will make you feel like a demon has suddenly possessed your wonderful pal, hang in there 
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Teenage dogs are just the worst, especially teenage cattle dogs. There's a reason every cattle dog group is flooded with people trying to get rid of 6-18 month old dogs. You'll get through it, it does get better!
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Instant Jellyfish posted:Teenage dogs are just the worst, especially teenage cattle dogs. There's a reason every cattle dog group is flooded with people trying to get rid of 6-18 month old dogs. You'll get through it, it does get better! I hate to post a meme, but this image is basically fact.  We got Kepler when he was around 9 months old, and he didn't really mellow out until right after he turned two. Now he's only a raptor when he needs to poop (he STILL has poop anxiety) or is super-itchy because of allergies. Basically if he doesn't feel good, he turns into a moody rear end in a top hat.
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WhiteHowler posted:I hate to post a meme, but this image is basically fact. This one has definitely made its rounds on the cattle dog groups, slightly modified for a more realistic heeler timeline  Scout gets better every 6 months or so, it seems with each heat cycle she mentally matures a little more and becomes a more reasonable creature to live with.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I don't think I could deal with a puppy. I'm 40 I vibe with older dog energy. I love my puppy but hard fuckin same. I won’t be doing it again at this point.
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I’m like one and a half meltdowns away from getting a little calendar out and counting down the days until our dachshund is old enough to be neutered. At 6 months old the little guy is an rear end in a top hat when he’s not tired and he’s got unlimited energy so that’s basically all of the time. Our older dog has infinite patience thankfully, any other dog putting up with this poo poo would have eaten him by now.
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History Comes Inside! posted:Our older dog has infinite patience thankfully, any other dog putting up with this poo poo would have eaten him by now. thank you all so much for the commiserations. it is difficult for me to keep in mind that all dogs have their gargoyle years. i keep thinking "i've hosed it up, she'll never be any good, i've ruined a beautiful dog and created a menace to society"
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a strange fowl posted:thank you all so much for the commiserations. it is difficult for me to keep in mind that all dogs have their gargoyle years. i keep thinking "i've hosed it up, she'll never be any good, i've ruined a beautiful dog and created a menace to society" I think I've had this phase with literally every dog I've raised from a puppy. There's always been at least one night where I'm holding my head and wondering "did I seriously gently caress up and now I'm loving up the dog too as a result?" I think it's just a good sign that you're invested in their development and well being. You got it!
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MarcusSA posted:I love my puppy but hard fuckin same. lol yep idk why i keep doing it for seeing eye dogs. basically i get a puppy, go through the insanity, and just as they're getting close to maturity i give them back and get a new puppy and do it all over again. I'm on number four now and swearing yet again to never ever puppy raise again. It'll last until my broodie has her next litter and i see how cute they are a strange fowl posted:this is the first time i've ever raised a pup without an older dog to help. looking back on the work those old dogs had to do and how patient they were (and all undesexed males, bless them), i appreciate them even more now! Actually for me this is the first time I've raised a puppy with an older dog to help out (well I mean i do have a little terrier who has always been around but she's not very helpful) and it's crazy how much it lightens the load. I think it's amazing that you're doing it all yourself, especially for a cattle dog! Speaking of, have some pics of the two of them:   
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Metis of the Hallway posted:Speaking of, have some pics of the two of them:  look at them!
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Hellblazer187 posted:I don't think I could deal with a puppy. I'm 40 I vibe with older dog energy. I so get where you're coming from. Whiskey has decided that he is okay with his crate if he's already asleep, but doesn't want to GO to sleep in his crate. So currently at his 3AM toilet break, he will take a leak, then I need to wait half an hour for him to be snoring before picking him up and putting him in his crate. He'll grumble, then roll over and snore again. But you wanna see what the little poo poo did last night at 3AM?  ...fine. Just manipulate the gently caress out of me. See if I care. I'll just sit here while you snore. No it's fine. I"ll scratch your little head too.
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You're going to be back in three weeks asking us to train your dog and every reply is going to be "sorry man that dog trained you"
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My dog is somewhere between 11 and 14 and we just took a four hour nap.
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HootTheOwl posted:You're going to be back in three weeks asking us to train your dog and every reply is going to be "sorry man that dog trained you" I resemble this accusation. Look, I think the poor guy is hating this heatwave. He isn't rejecting his crate, but I don't think I can make it cool enough for him to be proper comfortable. He still runs into his crate every now and then for a toy. Or to take a toy in there and attack it. But I think his bed and his blanket are too warm at the moment. He can cope if he's already asleep, but not if he's trying to get to sleep. ... That being said, I'm currently arranging for a dog trainer to do a house visit and show me some things. I've nearly taught him "Sit" which is exciting for me! Still having trouble re-directing him from some things. I was always keen on puppy school, but due to holidays, nothing local to me starts classes until he's already 12 weeks old which is a bit poo poo. I'll still do it if only for the socialisation, but even I can recognise that I'm treating him like royalty (cos he is) and need some help treating him more accurately (which in my mind, is still like royalty)
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Where did it say this was bad and not what happens to everyone?
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HootTheOwl posted:Where did it say this was bad and not what happens to everyone? Wonderful. This is great to hear. Look I spent HOURS and HOURS of research to get ideas about what to do. So far puppy is happy, affectionate and kinda well behaved (I would suggest as well behaved as you could expect an 8 week old puppy to be). But he's my first dog! I don't REALLY feel like I know what I'm doing so it always does me good to hear that somebody else did the same thing.
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It's like that scene in andor. My dog is currently begging for food (which he's not supposed to have) by sitting on the couch (which he's not supposed to be on) next to my wife (who's the most worried about what he eats) So instead a piece of sausage arrives in his bowl, nothing too large, we don't want to make him sick.
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I called him an rear end in a top hat so tonight he’s been an angel to make me feel bad After we went out to the bathroom for bedtime he put himself to bed for the first time ever instead of me having to wrangle him to his pen while he tries to be anywhere except his pen
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H13 posted:
Yup, this sounds like a puppy!  When Holly would get the overtired turbo-zoomies we called it "goblin mode". The second or third night we had her I ended up shutting her in her crate, said goodnight and... She was out like a light. We habitually count our lucky stars we didn't have too many issues surrounding crate training or wailing with loneliness in the middle of the night, I reckon that would have broken me and Mr Froglet. Btw, with Holly, the whole "is quiet as you're caving in" tended to be to be "they've detected your presence and know they're about to get what they want". Maybe you could sit next to the crate while the little darling has a sook about it? Did you end up having a penned off area attached to the crate? Coz when Holly was little we'd sit with her in the pen at bedtime and encourage her to go into her crate. Or we'd leave her in the pen then toss some kibble into her crate so she'd learn crate = rewarding place to be. I was kinda surprised how often I'd put a small pile of kibble into her crate, hear munching noises, then find the little darling fast asleep in there 10 minutes later.  Son of Thunderbeast posted:I think I've had this phase with literally every dog I've raised from a puppy. There's always been at least one night where I'm holding my head and wondering "did I seriously gently caress up and now I'm loving up the dog too as a result?" I think it's just a good sign that you're invested in their development and well being. You got it! Oh yeah, Holly is now about 9 months old and I still occasionally wonder if I've made a terrible mistake and brought a defenseless puppy along for the ride. But... She's fine. She's sleeping on the couch next to me right now. In 15 minutes I'll take her out to see her littermate brother Lumiere (I ran into Lumi's owner at puppy kindy and we quickly worked out they had to be siblings from the same litter coz there's only 1 breeder in our state).
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Okay good news in general. Today was bullshit hot. 35 degrees (95 degrees in dumbass) and 5 degrees hotter than the other days. It got hot around 10, and stayed hot until...I dunno 10. So today was gonna be the difficult day. ...and overall it went fine. He woke up early and didn't go back to sleep so when the alarm went off we got up then. I think he was already uncomfortable. He fell asleep quickly after breakfast and I got his day organised while he was asleep. Around lunch he became a little bit goblin, but I figured out the "NO" to use. It's very James Hetfield. He went to chew on a power cable so I went from 0-100 and a very loud "metal" NO. He froze, looked a bit confused, came and sat next to me and considered his life choices up to that point. Didn't engage in any play or anything for a minute, he just needed to process what the gently caress that was. After that...he was puppy hyper but not psycho hyper. We've been working on sit and I THINK he's got it now! I got him to sit a couple of times without treats, just giving him praise and love. So around 6PM when he DOES get kinda psycho, he was refusing to go outside to burn off 'cos it was absolute bullshit outside and I don't blame him. So inside when he started getting a bit rowdy, I'd call him over, we'd practice sit, and he would sorta reset his energy after that. It worked well (albeit I was accepting some negative chewing on things on the basis that he was forced to deal with goblin energy inside instead of out) until I couldn't re-direct him from the fireplace. He got another big NO. Same result as before. He sat next to me, contemplated his life choices for a bit, but then when he went back to play he ONLY played with his toys. After like an hour inside, he asked to go outside. We went out and he burned off energy for about another hour and a half outside. When he fell asleep leaning on me (which...even when he's been a goblin will always work on me) I bought him inside and laid him on the cool floor instead of the crate. He fussed for like 5 minuets until he got comfy bu was out like a light. Meanwhile, in that Goblin session, I had to go get more treats twice because I was rewarding positive behaviour. Toilet outside? Treat and praise. If he got too goblin? We'd practice sit for treat and praise. Sitting down quietly and being a good boy for a few minutes? Treat and praise. It was hard work but I feel like it might've been super constructive? HOWEVER. During one of his naps today I tried to find a puppy school to go to. None of them start until Jan 21\22 when he will be 12 weeks old. A fair few puppy schools won't take him because that's too late for puppy school in their books. So...on Dec 30, I've got a pro trainer coming to my house for a 3 hour session with me and Whiskey. It's one-on-one, in my house, my backyard with my good boy. I'll get to raise specific concerns about the house, his behaviour, he can show me where issues are and blahblahblah. Considering I've had him less than a week and he's KINDA got "Sit" learned in 2 days of training, he comes to me for cuddles and food and love, he's eating his food, and toileting outside (for the most part. He was NOT willing to pee outside in this heat, but was willing to dump. I feel like he's making toilet decisions so I think he IS toilet trained by the breeder and once his bladder is controllable, he'll be good to go), not really damaged anything in the house or anything and except for one rough night (which was the both of us not understanding what was going wrong), he seems happy, healthy, he's learning every day and is affectionate towards me. I've also been learning from MY mistakes with him too so LOGICALLY I think it's going great. However I spent 2 years on waitlists meaning I've had 2 years of overthinking and I don't feel like I know what I'm doing and I'm still pretty anxious about having a good boy with me (Totally been hiding it well though. These page long posts are for fun! Not an expression of anxiety). Having a pro trainer validate me will do wonders for my anxiety, plus he can tweak what I am doing and show me the next steps from here so Whiskey can be an even gooder dog. Then when puppy schools near me re-open, I'll take him to one for the dog socialisation. And to make sure that the trainer and I didn't over-specialise his training.
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When Jarvis was still small enough to get under the couch, he would go into what we called Gremlin mode. Once we were able to fend off the needle teeth and get him out of there her converted back. It was kind of hilarious.
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iris has gone into heat and her behaviour has markedly improved  thank you all for the support
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a strange fowl posted:iris has gone into heat and her behaviour has markedly improved I was going to ask if she could be close. The hormones can make them real weird. Scout is an absolute angel for 60 or so days after her heat before returning to her usual madness, enjoy the Good Dog Times while you can!
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My Casey is a year old! We're chilling by the fire tonight. 
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Sorry if this is in the wrong thread I don’t have search. We recently took in a rescue dog the story was he was a breeding dog, before we got him he was neutered, checked out all good. He gets along really well with our other dog surprisingly but he’s really skidish around people. The problem is he obviously was kept in his kennel most of the time for his life to this point and he’s not house trained he’s 6 years old or around there. We’ve been trying to take him out with our other dog, just taking him out, doing it every two hours but he won’t do his business and I just feel awful because eventually he will pee or poo in the house and you can tell he has been holding it in for as long as he possibly can, and then he tries to hide but we don’t react or get mad about this it’s not his fault Are there any tips we could use to help him out or is the just keep taking him out and once he does his thing reward the heck out of him the best option Outside this issue he’s the sweetest kindest dog and it makes me extremely angry people can treat a dog like that Cassette Moodcore fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Dec 31, 2022 |
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 The trainer came. Confirmed. He's a very good boy. Confirmed. I needed to learn how to speak puppy. 2 days later, we both are doing much better and are much happier and even getting MORE hugs. Grudgingly Confirmed: Sometimes I need to say "No" to that face. That fuckin' face puts up an amazing counter-argument though.
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After years of planning and decades of desire I, at 36, am now the proud Dad of Mabel, a 13 week old lab boxer (we think) mix. She has a great environment, dogs of all ages (5 total) to socialize as needed. She is young of course and routine routine routine will eventually pay off. However, she will not pee or poo normally. She has yet to even attempt to go outside and Im following the guide in the OP, She will hit the pee pad with her giant wee every time, but she does it when no one is looking, If you look at her she gets extremely anxious and she is not an axious dog, so far. She will often go the size of a baseball and when we can tell she is holding it the pad will be the size of a basketball. #2 terrifies her and she tends to go in the same area-ish inside. She really will squeeze a loaf out during the 5 seconds you turn your head. Catching her and picking her up to go outside causes her to hold it in for hours. And when she finally goes she has a clear change in happiness level. What am I doing wrong edit: The Housetraining link talks about the egg timer but after sayjng the time depends on the puppies age or weight, regardless there doesnt seem to be a chart saying how long the timer should be on 96 spacejam fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 1, 2023 |
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One thing that helped me for timing housetraining was to keep a table of every time my pup toileted, which meant I could start to see a pattern for how long she could go between wees and how many poos she was having a day. So at eight weeks I was taking her out about every fifteen minutes, and then I saw that gap gradually go. It depends not just on the dog's size but also just the dog themselves, I had one pup that could hold on for an hour already at 12 weeks. I think the key to breaking her fear of toileting in front of you is just persistence -- if you sense she needs something, keep taking her outside (do you take her on lead? I recommend that if not. It might also help to keep her on the lead inside while you're working on this). Walk her around, if she doesn't do anything go back in, then try again a minute or so later. When she finally does go outside you praise and reward her like hell and hopefully that can break the cycle. Do any of you guys use a command for toileting your dog? What command, if so? I got introduced to that when I started raising service dog pups, and it's like magic having control over a dog's bladder. They pick it up fairly fast, too. I say 'quick-quick'.
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Heard some puppy whines outside the window, found a stray left behind by his litter  After a bath he's getting acquainted with chop chop (and his bowls) 
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Heard some puppy whines outside the window, found a stray left behind by his litter Aww! Just make sure to check with your city/state - in mine if you have a stray for 7 days you essentially own it legally. (In case that's an issue.)
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Yeah we're not sure yet. We definitely want to, but we're gonna wait until we take him to the vet for a checkup and chip check at least, also probably check nextdoor/CL/etc for missing puppies posts. But I've got a feeling he and his litter don't belong to anyone or were abandoned; when we asked our neighbor for help getting the rest of the litter he was like "oh them, yeah I've had to take two to the shelter already" so yeah, we're already figuring out a plan to either adopt him or give him to one of our friends who may want to adopt
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Okey dokey Whiskey is nearly 10 weeks old. We've had the 3 nights of screaming crate training and survived. It's had a knock-on effect to everything else and now he is significantly more okay with NOT being attached to my hip 24\7. I would like to start doing the following: He goes outside for mealtimes and has an hour outside to himself. I will be inside, cooking, eating and having a breather. We did 30 minutes at breakfast this morning but with 2 brief cry sessions. Is this feasible for a good boy his age? Or am I reaching a little?
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Metis of the Hallway posted:One thing that helped me for timing housetraining was to keep a table of every time my pup toileted, which meant I could start to see a pattern for how long she could go between wees and how many poos she was having a day. So at eight weeks I was taking her out about every fifteen minutes, and then I saw that gap gradually go. It depends not just on the dog's size but also just the dog themselves, I had one pup that could hold on for an hour already at 12 weeks. Thanks! Day 3 and she seems to have sensory overload and just doesn't consider potty. The moment I get home she will pee. And goddamn can she squeeze out a loaf in the time it takes to sip a beer. When she goes within minutes of our return I'll pick her up and she'll stop, but my problem then becomes the distance from my front door to an area where she'll potty. No shot does she remember or know why she is getting rushed out. I've only tried it twice so far. It's about 25 yards at my apt and 15 at my girlfriends condo. She happens to have astroturf on the 9x9 enclosed patio so thinking it may help her associate potty with being outside. So far she now will pee on the turf but not poop. She absolutely needs to go. Yesterday she held it overnight (usually 2 per day, held in the 2nd). I'm doing all of the other methods outlined in the OP but any insight on my situation so my pupper isn't bloated Edit: it's 4:20 right now and she has only pushed out load 1, which was really the size of 2, and she wont go poop. 96 spacejam fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jan 3, 2023 |
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H13 posted:I would like to start doing the following: I guarantee that if you leave him unsupervised outside like this, at the bare minimum he will find and chew on (and almost certainly eat) all manner of things you don't want him to. Not only is it a risk to his health and your property, but it will make it harder to train him out of destructive or undesirable behaviour if he gets to have extended periods of doing whatever he wants with no consequences or direction. You'll have to work much harder to instill the behaviour you want if he's established for himself that he can effectively deal with anxiety, boredom, or loneliness by destroying things or digging up your garden or chewing on drywall, for example. He does sound like a very good boy who is settling in very well, but he's also still very young and new to both life itself and to life with you. It takes a lot of training, a lot of time establishing boundaries and acceptable behaviours, and just a lot of growing up before you can trust a dog to not get into trouble outside without supervision.
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