Midnight Voyager posted:

"being incurious" aka not wanting to watch every movie out there???

DoctorWhat posted:

I should share the TFWiki Go-Bots Saga sometime.

fun hater posted:

is there any value, genuinely, in taking people's sentiments to their most ridiculous conclusions instead of one that makes sense. do you think they were calling you stupid for not watching every movie or do you think they were commentating on how things you might initially write off based on plot synopsis alone might have a different artistic value.

Nuebot posted:

I know a guy who doesn't play many video games outside of weird and gross mobile games, but he obsessively reads every game wiki that exists and then enters conversations about those games and talks as if he's beaten and fully cleared those games. I don't understand why, but it's caused several fights in the singular discord server we share when someone points out that whatever he was talking about got patched out or updated or was just a rumor and he turns that molehill into a mountain to die on. Dude's loving weird.

Anyway, my point is just that there's very much a TVTropes style guy out there who absolutely just loves summaries and lists of things that exist more than engaging with the actual media its self.

Terrible Opinions posted:

What's with the weird blurring on Morticia?

watho posted:

watho posted:

there’s something deeply compelling about this very bad channel and video to me it’s not worth watching the entire thing but just get a feel for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ppyZmdsqA

Midnight Voyager posted:

I didn't think I took it anywhere. "Incurious" and something they're "guilty" of just struck me as an odd way to think about it. We've all got our ways of filtering out what media we end up consuming.

Fil5000 posted:

do it, coward

Kunster posted:

A bit like reading or hearing a synposis of Everywhere At The End Of Time versus the whole 10 hour behemoth.

fun hater posted:

is there any value, genuinely, in taking people's sentiments to their most ridiculous conclusions instead of one that makes sense. do you think they were calling you stupid for not watching every movie or do you think they were commentating on how things you might initially write off based on plot synopsis alone might have a different artistic value.

The 7th Guest posted:

jason x rules, it's so stupid

Kunster posted:

"Oh God, no, I don't want to read Garth Ennis's Crossed, but I want to get a general idea of what the gently caress is going on that comic series but also I want it in audio format while I work on something else" is a viable and understandable mindset. A bit like reading or hearing a synposis of Everywhere At The End Of Time versus the whole 10 hour behemoth.

Shinji2015 posted:

It's covering up her cleavage

Terrible Opinions posted:

I gather just seems baffling to censor stuff that would get a pass on US daytime TV.

fun hater posted:

you have been VILIFIED by the community *strangers run up and start punching u*

Famethrowa posted:

but why approach art and media as #content to be consumed in order to keep up, rather then a voluntary engagement with art that seems to speak to you. it's not slop from a trough to eat as fast as possible. there's a lot of stuff I don't know about that people talk about and it's OK to say "haven't seen it". especially a comic! that's visual! just look at it!

it just strikes me as slightly neurotic!

DoctorWhat posted:

Okay, here goes.

So TFWiki has been around for a really long time. It parted ways with Wikia backing around 2006 and now operates completely independently. It's well known for an irreverent tone while also being comprehensive and informative, and for not having obnoxious advertisements. It's owned by David "Walky" Willis, who is also known as the author and artist of the web comics Shortpacked and Dumbing of Age, and ultimately the buck stops with him.

Way back in the '90s Hasbro bought Tonka. As a result, they acquired the intellectual property of the Go-Bots characters. This is sort of complicated because the original Go-Bots toys were based on designs owned by Bandai, who retain those rights, but that's not really important. Since then, Go-Bots have occasionally appeared in obtuse spin-off material and fan club fiction for the Transformers, sometimes in reimagined homage forms but also sometimes as interdimensional travellers whose history aligned with the Go-Bots fiction from the 80s.

For the first decade or so, the Transformers wiki treated each Go-Bot who made an individual appearance in Transformers fiction as a Transformers character like any other, and only included the most relevant information about their appearances in Go-Bots fiction such as comics and cartoons insofar as it informed their appearance in official Transformers media.

Around 2015 the Facebook page "Ask Vector Prime", which was operated under official license from Hasbro, began answering fan questions. These answers were exactly as canon as anything else produced under that fan club license, which meant that those answers were valid primary sources for the wiki. Unfortunately for Wiki stability, that Facebook page was operated by fans, including wiki editors. Many of those wiki editors felt that the wiki's approach to documenting the Go-Bots should be more comprehensive, considering how often Go-Bots characters had appeared in Transformers fiction and Hasbro's ownership of the franchise, and also considering a contemporary Brand Unification push Hasbro was making that incorporated characters like the Visionaries, JEM and the Holograms, ROM Spaceknight, and GI Joe into Transformers comic books, all of whom began to get expanded TFWiki coverage.

Via the AVP page, a Trojan Horse operation was put into action by this faction to force almost complete coverage of all Go-Bots media onto the Transformers wiki, through leading questions, collusion, and manipulation of Wiki content policies.

David Willis and many other oldhead editors thought this was stupid and also an end run around their authority. It's hard to argue that it wasn't an end run around authority. The result was a schism so extreme that Willis threatened to pull the plug on wiki servers and shut the entire operation down unless editors stopped using and abusing AVP to subvert editorial policy.

The vast majority of Go-Bots articles created via AVP were swiftly deleted. Still others were slimmed down to the bare minimum required to document Transformers fiction. Official wiki policy more solidly than ever declared that Go-Bots that did not specifically appear in Transformers comics and cartoons did not constitute Transformers characters.

And then IDW publishing released a Go-Bots miniseries imagining a world in which the Go-Bots created the Transformers in their own image after an apocalyptic war. This threatened to explode the whole drama all over again, but by this point Ask Vector Prime was long gone, and cooler heads prevailed.

Willis also set up a spinoff Go-Bots wiki, with free hosting, which absolutely nobody contributed to in any way. Such is life!

Kunster posted:

I specifically picked the "somewhat long comic series about a heavily detailed apocalypse where a portion of the human population gets ultra violent and rapey that ends up causing a double apocalypse" since it embodies a certain mixture of time allotedment + heavily detailed and explicit subject matter for that example, and I wouldn't say I read the comic after hearing a synopsis of it on youtube and having someone dump a long thread about it on twitter.

Famethrowa posted:

but... why do you care if it doesn't speak to you? just discard it!

Clip-On Fedora posted:

And yet The Boys would have never existed if Garth Ennis had never written that comic that middling comic that was only good every once an awhile.

DoctorWhat posted:

Okay, here goes.

So TFWiki has been around for a really long time. It parted ways with Wikia backing around 2006 and now operates completely independently. It's well known for an irreverent tone while also being comprehensive and informative, and for not having obnoxious advertisements. It's owned by David "Walky" Willis, who is also known as the author and artist of the web comics Shortpacked and Dumbing of Age, and ultimately the buck stops with him.

Way back in the '90s Hasbro bought Tonka. As a result, they acquired the intellectual property of the Go-Bots characters. This is sort of complicated because the original Go-Bots toys were based on designs owned by Bandai, who retain those rights, but that's not really important. Since then, Go-Bots have occasionally appeared in obtuse spin-off material and fan club fiction for the Transformers, sometimes in reimagined homage forms but also sometimes as interdimensional travellers whose history aligned with the Go-Bots fiction from the 80s.

For the first decade or so, the Transformers wiki treated each Go-Bot who made an individual appearance in Transformers fiction as a Transformers character like any other, and only included the most relevant information about their appearances in Go-Bots fiction such as comics and cartoons insofar as it informed their appearance in official Transformers media.

Around 2015 the Facebook page "Ask Vector Prime", which was operated under official license from Hasbro, began answering fan questions. These answers were exactly as canon as anything else produced under that fan club license, which meant that those answers were valid primary sources for the wiki. Unfortunately for Wiki stability, that Facebook page was operated by fans, including wiki editors. Many of those wiki editors felt that the wiki's approach to documenting the Go-Bots should be more comprehensive, considering how often Go-Bots characters had appeared in Transformers fiction and Hasbro's ownership of the franchise, and also considering a contemporary Brand Unification push Hasbro was making that incorporated characters like the Visionaries, JEM and the Holograms, ROM Spaceknight, and GI Joe into Transformers comic books, all of whom began to get expanded TFWiki coverage.

Via the AVP page, a Trojan Horse operation was put into action by this faction to force almost complete coverage of all Go-Bots media onto the Transformers wiki, through leading questions, collusion, and manipulation of Wiki content policies.

David Willis and many other oldhead editors thought this was stupid and also an end run around their authority. It's hard to argue that it wasn't an end run around authority. The result was a schism so extreme that Willis threatened to pull the plug on wiki servers and shut the entire operation down unless editors stopped using and abusing AVP to subvert editorial policy.

The vast majority of Go-Bots articles created via AVP were swiftly deleted. Still others were slimmed down to the bare minimum required to document Transformers fiction. Official wiki policy more solidly than ever declared that Go-Bots that did not specifically appear in Transformers comics and cartoons did not constitute Transformers characters.

And then IDW publishing released a Go-Bots miniseries imagining a world in which the Go-Bots created the Transformers in their own image after an apocalyptic war. This threatened to explode the whole drama all over again, but by this point Ask Vector Prime was long gone, and cooler heads prevailed.

Willis also set up a spinoff Go-Bots wiki, with free hosting, which absolutely nobody contributed to in any way. Such is life!

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

everything that makes live action adaption of the Boys good has nothing to do with Ennis because they discarded most of his plot and went in their own direction for the best

Skippy McPants posted:

I skimmed this comic once, and boy howdy, what a turd. Maybe there was some good stuff in there, but I sure didn't see any.

DeafNote posted:

Crossed?
Skinamarink?
Is this discussion somehow a delayed discussion of another SEW Video?

YggiDee posted:

TFWiki is one of the only big wikis not owned by Fandom.com so I have respect for it regardless of how I feel about transformers.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

what is the go-bots opinion on male genital mutilation also known as circumcision by those brainwashed by the Illuminati

DoctorWhat posted:

Well Tonka's Go-Bots are organic brains piloting fully robotic bodies following ecological devastation of the planet Gobotron so they have all been separated from their genitals.