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ManifunkDestiny posted:Audio of the JFK close call. Things obviously aren't going great when the ATC has to use an expletive on the air: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1614370783899303938 Here's the conversation with a position overlay. https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1614638164022382592
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Beef Of Ages posted:Admittedly I pressed the easy button and got this to overcome supply chain and delivery timing issues. It comes with detailed instructions but the simple process was to flash the micro-SD card with the latest PiAware build (Debian-based linux distro that comes pre-configured with all the junk you need to send data to Flightaware), edit the config file to make it work with my home WiFi network and add a file named "ssh" to enable SSH access, assemble and turn it on. Once I claimed it on Flightaware, I logged into it via SSH using PuTTY and installed the FR24 application via a script they publish using wget and, after basic configuration, was off to the races. That's awesome thanks! The kit is very interesting but I'd like a model with ethernet, would any one of the other models work ok for such a thing? Have you noticed how much data you're sending to flight aware?
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I like how people rate it 1 star simply because they aren't buy it in their country.
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hobbesmaster posted:In looking at Avherald I saw this incident which will have you saying “wait what” at least once: This reminds me of that Nazi sub that nearly sunk because the captain decided he could operate the stupidly overengineered pressurized toilet without the engineer certified in operation of the overengineered Nazi toilet.
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There’s a first person live steam of the Nepal crash from a passenger. The phone camera stayed on for a few minutes after. Not linking it. Find it on your own.
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Didn’t seem like the pax had any idea something was wrong until it was over. Looking at the brief footage someone took of it on approach I’m guessing accelerated stall. Nepal needs an overhaul of their entire aviation system.
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Arson Daily posted:That's awesome thanks! The kit is very interesting but I'd like a model with ethernet, would any one of the other models work ok for such a thing? Have you noticed how much data you're sending to flight aware? A few megs a day at most. Mount it and the antenna as high up as you safely can for best results. I had better range atop a bookshelf than I did up against a huge window. It's pretty easy to move around and test.
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Two Kings posted:Didn’t seem like the pax had any idea something was wrong until it was over. Looking at the brief footage someone took of it on approach I’m guessing accelerated stall. This is the ground observer video, still spoiling it https://youtu.be/E1cmI0l64fY. The avherald comments saying left engine is out and it’s Vmc roll may be on to something.
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hobbesmaster posted:This is the ground observer video, still spoiling it Having found and watched the "interior" video (  ), it certainly seems like the plane was flying way too goddamned fast for being that low and on final.I know at higher altitudes you have to come in faster, but Pokhara lists an elevation of a little under 2700ft.
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hobbesmaster posted:The avherald comments saying left engine is out and it’s Vmc roll may be on to something. That was on takeoff, though. Edit: That was the flameout of the left engine, but the fatal mistake was accidentally killing the other one while trying to deal with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia_Airways_Flight_235?wprov=sfla1 stealie72 fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jan 16, 2023 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Having found and watched the "interior" video ( I thought it was a takeoff?
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jaegerx posted:I thought it was a takeoff? People are confusing this crash with the TransAsia one which happened on takeoff. This ATR72 was flying from Kathmandu to Pokhara. It was on final. It just seemed from the "found footage" that when the phone's owner pointed the camera out the window, it seemed the plane was going way too fast.
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hobbesmaster posted:This is the ground observer video, still spoiling it Honestly, looking at that video, I'm gonna say that sounds... very reasonable. It clearly departed controlled flight somehow, and I don't see a classic stall-spin as likely given the profile. Vmc rolls are loving brutal and they should keep you awake at night as a pilot. I'm about to start instructing on a multi in the next few weeks or so, and my predecessor has passed on the advice the chief gave him: "check the gear's down at least 20 times on approach, and keep that loving thing well above Vmc at all times." Vmc is 66, and the advice is "don't dip below Vyse (89) under normal circumstances, you're asking for trouble when you don't need it."
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So evidently the Delta 737 was at ~115mph (~100kias) when the crew aborted the takeoff. So not very close to V1 (which should be around 150kias), but probably closer than the crew would've liked.
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I'm really disappinted in VASAviation on this one. I was looking forward to it to get the full scoop, but they play the audio out of order and in a confusing way for dramatic effect I guess. It just leads to people arguing in the comments because everyone is confused about what happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1gDSZJ5s0 This video at least plays the audio in order so you can tell what's happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsFIHKkN2oU
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I'm glad I'm not a pilot at a major airport because every time I hear somebody say which crossing she's suppose to hold short at it's "Q" not "K."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So evidently the Delta 737 was at ~115mph (~100kias) when the crew aborted the takeoff. So not very close to V1 (which should be around 150kias), but probably closer than the crew would've liked.
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What's the most likely primary cause? Did the AA crew get disoriented and thought they were at 04L?
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Ardeem posted:I'm glad I'm not a pilot at a major airport because every time I hear somebody say which crossing she's suppose to hold short at it's "Q" not "K." I heard a new brain-fart over the radio today that broke my brain a little trying to transcribe it, basic recreation: "A as in Alpha, B as in Bravo, C as in Charlie, D and in Double-U"
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Arson Daily posted:That's awesome thanks! The kit is very interesting but I'd like a model with ethernet, would any one of the other models work ok for such a thing? Have you noticed how much data you're sending to flight aware? You can get a USB hub and a dongle for Ethernet if you want the Pi that comes with that kit. I haven't measured the data usage but it doesn't seem like a ton, API calls with data payloads.
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Humphreys posted:I heard a new brain-fart over the radio today that broke my brain a little trying to transcribe it, basic recreation: I've always liked "E as in Euphrates"
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Co-pilot of downed Nepal passenger plane was widow of pilot killed in 2006 crash https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/plane-nepal-crash-1.6715095 quote:In 2010, Anju Khatiwada joined Nepal's Yeti Airlines, following in the footsteps of her husband, a pilot who had died in a crash four years earlier when a small passenger plane he was flying for the domestic carrier went down minutes before landing.
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PT6A posted:It clearly departed controlled flight somehow, and I don't see a classic stall-spin as likely given the profile. It was a low and slow turn, the most classic stall/spin circumstance. What makes it unlikely?
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Lord Stimperor posted:What's the most likely primary cause? Did the AA crew get disoriented and thought they were at 04L? They were told to taxi on B and hold short of K. Then on the way to K, they were told to cross 31L at K. I guess they got confused and ended up passing K and crossing 04L at J.
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vessbot posted:It was a low and slow turn, the most classic stall/spin circumstance. What makes it unlikely? Well, I think we both looked at the same video and saw different things. If I think about it, I can see the start of the bank as an intentional turn, followed by stall-spin. But what my mind went to when I saw the video the first time, and this could be due to the posts I already read, is the bank as an indication of a rolling moment due to asymmetric thrust resulting from an engine failure, eventually leading to a vmc roll. I think the flight data recorders, and knowledge of the intended procedure, will shed light on this, because my initial assumption was that this was a straight-in approach where an intentional turn at such a low altitude would be unlikely. I have, admittedly, no evidence for this assumption.
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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/purchase-of-new-planes-to-replace-50-year-twin-otter-military-aircraft-now-on-hold Canada was going to replace its arctic twin otters with new twin otters, which by the way are made in Canada, but now are not for no stated reason
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slidebite posted:Canada's military procurement program, especially (but certainly not exclusively) by liberal governments, is so incredibly hosed up and horrible it's got to be a textbook of how not to do poo poo. It is. For years now in the Cold War thread I've been posting summaries of the Defense Watch blog as "Defense Watch Watch". It started out with procurement, but expanded to be posting on the dumpster fire upon dumpster fire that is Canadian National Security generally. It's very depressing, dude. How depressing? If the Canadian Military were a private corporation, not only would it be bankrupt, most of its senior staff would be under incitement or in prison. I ended up going on a bit of a rant, I posted it in the Cold War thread as to not derail things here.
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Beef Of Ages posted:I've always liked "E as in Euphrates" W as in write K as in knight M as in mnemonic
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I put NATO phonetics on my Kindle because one time I actually needed it and I ended up sounding like a dumbass on the radio trying to remember the code words. I also forgot to turn up the power on my transmitter, so I was transmitting only 10W, ugh. Fortunately, the receiving station was much more experienced, and we worked through it ok. e: this was not aviation-related, it was 2M ham radio way out in the wilderness. ryanrs fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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ryanrs posted:I put NATO phonetics on my Kindle because one time I actually needed it and I ended up sounding like a dumbass on the radio trying to remember the code words. I used to do NATO phonetics at this one place when I was between jobs. I would say, "sierra" for S on phone calls, but the dude routinely on the other end would insist that sierra is spelled primarily with a C, like the singer.
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One of my students kept saying Xerox instead of X-Ray.
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PT6A posted:One of my students kept saying Xerox instead of X-Ray. Several spelling alphabets have featured “Xerxes”.
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Full Collapse posted:I used to do NATO phonetics at this one place when I was between jobs. I would say, "sierra" for S on phone calls, but the dude routinely on the other end would insist that sierra is spelled primarily with a C, like the singer. It’s all symbols and so it doesn’t really matter if the leading sound is that close to the actual sound of the letter. Like, you could just make up 26 very distinct sounds and use that as long as everyone agreed to it. “November” starting with N is kind of irrelevant, the point is that on a lovely radio you hear “..of..mber” and you can figure it out.
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