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Jan 30, 2023 03:12
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fez_machine posted:They're not literature Well, what is literature?
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Jan 30, 2023 03:18
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StrixNebulosa posted:Well, what is literature? A miserable pile of conventions and their subversion.
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Jan 30, 2023 03:24
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I feel like a crazy person because people keep telling me Dan Abnett is a great writer but everything I've tried of his feels like it does a lot to add to the tapestry of the 40k universe and make it feel alive, which is neat, but his prose, dialogue, and action just feel off to me. The Eisenhorn novels just made me feel like I was following a grumpy schoolteacher trying to be a noir detective.
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Jan 30, 2023 03:42
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StrixNebulosa posted:Well, what is literature? If you have to ask, it ain't.
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Jan 30, 2023 03:50
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Gaunt's Ghosts book 5 has the bad guy scream "Nooooooooo!" right before he dies. That was a good one.
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Jan 30, 2023 03:55
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fez_machine posted:They're not literature Gaius Marius posted:If you have to ask, it ain't. You make such cogent arguments, I am humbled and wish to withdraw my suggestion.
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Jan 30, 2023 04:17
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StrixNebulosa posted:Well, what is literature? When mid-50s New Yorkers get divorced and learn something about themselves
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Jan 30, 2023 04:22
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to me literature is sad novels where either the author or the protagonist sounds like they're suicidal the entire time.
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Jan 30, 2023 04:27
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You can tell it's New Zealand literature when someone drowns near a bach.
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Jan 30, 2023 04:28
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Finished The Machine Stops, pretty good for such a two trick pony writer, as if one wouldn't notice he could only write stories about rooms with or without views. It did have the generally uncommon problem of not thoroughly exploring it's themes, which leads to an almost Wolfeian sense of forcing you to ruminate on it rather than just pass it over giving you a deeper appreciation of the story. But, the story already has such a sense of prescience about it that one wishes he would have been Tree'r rather than Forster.
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Jan 30, 2023 04:30
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It's literature if I like it, a tiresome genre novel if I don't.
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Jan 30, 2023 05:21
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It's a genre novel if I like it, it is tiresome literature if I don't.
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Jan 30, 2023 05:50
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Please provide a flowchart or spreadsheet equation to identify if something is tiresome genre novel or real literature TIA.
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Jan 30, 2023 05:52
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General Battuta posted:Black Library reached out to me but I forgot to write back and now it has been so long I’m embarrassed.
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Jan 30, 2023 06:02
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a foolish pianist posted:When mid-50s New Yorkers get divorced and learn something about themselves Two degrees of Paul Auster, got it chief.
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Jan 30, 2023 06:29
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McCoy Pauley posted:All four of those sound interesting. What are the titles? No nonsense widow Navigator - Rites of Passage. Really enjoyed that one with a protagonist style you don't get to read about too often. Mike Brooks also wrote Brutal Kunnin' featuring some hilariously stupid ork exploits*. He also recently released Renegades Harrowmaster which I haven't read yet but got a lot of praise in the Black Library thread recently. Necron - Robert Rath's The Infinite and the Divine (an obsessive collector and a seer bicker and battle off and on over millenia) was my favorite. Nate Crowley, who I think is a goon and posted in the BL thread before, wrote two parter The Twice-Dead King: Ruin and The Twice-Dead King: Reign which were a bit odder and gross (dealing partially with the curse of the Flayed Ones) but still quite good. The short stories Severed and War in the Museum are also great. War ties into Infinite & Divine, and Severed features a devoted bodyguard trying to protect his longtime friend and master, whose sanity seems to be fraying quite a bit at the edges. I missed the old silent terminator necrons at first, but with all these stories the new ones are growing on me. I'll also add that the 63 novel Horus Heresy series is finally coming to an end, possibly this year. For the latest seven books they switched into the Siege of Terra, and part 1 of Dan Abnett's finale (because of course they are making it a two parter) is due out next month. Everyone is waiting to see what kind of twists they put on the confrontation that set the status quo for the next 10k years to modern 40k. People seem to think that the secrets it will reveal will play into the modern stuff going on as well, in Abnett's newer books as well as across the entire line. I bought the first half of the paperbacks back when Amazon had plenty of buy one or two and get one sales, took a break for a few years, then couldn't find the paperbacks to complete my set for less than $50-$100 each as they went out of print. I should probably sell off the ones I have, but that shelf looks so nice. *The Death of Lux Annihilatus, or How Two Orks, a Grot and a Squig destroyed an entire Warlord Titan. - [Excerpt] - Brutal Kunnin, by Mike Brooks. bagrada fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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Jan 30, 2023 06:42
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General Battuta posted:Black Library reached out to me but I forgot to write back and now it has been so long I’m embarrassed. I would strongly encourage you to answer. Right now is their open submission window for the year where anybody can submit a story to get read and possibly picked up. They have been doing this every year for a while now and they usually take 5-10 people and have them write a short story that goes into an upcoming anthology. Then they take 2-3 of the ones that nailed it and give them a full book. Tons of new, and mostly very good, authors have started recently because of it. Since they reached out to you and you are already an established author with a track record they would most likely just ask you directly to write a short story, or possibly even a full novel. As I have said in many of my previous posts, they've really branched out in the style and subjects of their stories so you aren't going to be expected to write space marine bolter porn and could pitch something much more interesting. I've been clamoring for stories set in the massive and bloated bureaucracy of the imperium without a bolter in sight and you'd be perfect for it. We've gotten several interesting adminstratum characters recently in books but none as main protagonists Siivola posted:I’ve heard BL's team of editors is real good. They really are by all accounts, but unfortunately they also get to write books themselves because of their position and they aren't very good ones.
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Jan 30, 2023 07:47
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Larry Parrish posted:to me literature is sad novels where either the author or the protagonist sounds like they're suicidal the entire time. I give you my entry into the fantasy-but-literature contest, Hilary Mantel's Beyond Black. It's somewhere between deep childhood trauma horror and black comedy, about a psychic who actually is psychic and whose spirit guide is absolutely evil. FWIW I would 100% count David Mitchell's The Bone Clocks as literary fantasy.
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Jan 30, 2023 10:24
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General Battuta posted:Black Library reached out to me but I forgot to write back and now it has been so long I’m embarrassed. Finish one series about traitors to an Empire before you start the next, I say.
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Jan 30, 2023 11:21
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Didn't the sniffier cohort of literary reviewer rebrand genre stories with pretentions as slipstream so they didn't have to share showers with the likes of us? The Time Travellers Wife and Transition specifically kicked it off.
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Jan 30, 2023 14:13
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D-Pad posted:you aren't going to be expected to write space marine bolter porn 
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Jan 30, 2023 14:20
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pseudorandom name posted:It's a genre novel if I like it, it is tiresome literature if I don't. Me when I try branching out from Scifi/Fantasy
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Jan 30, 2023 14:51
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withak posted:Please provide a flowchart or spreadsheet equation to identify if something is tiresome genre novel or real literature TIA. If you give someone a chapter from the middle of the book are they gonna say "I don't know who these characters are" or are they gonna say "this is absolutely incomprehensible gibberish".
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Jan 30, 2023 17:23
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Siivola posted:I’ve heard BL's team of editors is real good. Maybe GB can do their Warhammer novel and get them to publish his presumably non-Warhammer sci-fi as well. At least that way he'll get editors who will do actual editing instead of forcing him to do it.
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Jan 30, 2023 17:34
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D-Pad posted:There's also a Navigator house succession crisis book where the protagonist is basically all four golden girls combined and put in charge of a powerful Navigator house that is excellent. As in Rose, Blanche, Dorothy, and Sophia?
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Jan 30, 2023 18:09
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I will edit Baru
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Jan 30, 2023 18:27
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Me when I try branching out from Scifi/Fantasy It's just a bunch of made-up people having made-up feelings about made-up bullshit! At least with SF the authors will sometimes explore interesting questions like "What if there were dragons?" and then you, the reader, will say to yourself "Oh, good point, the dragons who power the heavier-than-air flying vehicles would naturally unionize; who is going to stop them?"
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Jan 30, 2023 19:03
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fritz posted:As in Rose, Blanche, Dorothy, and Sophia? Yes, she's amazing. Book is Rite of Passage by Mike Brooks. He has written a mainstream Fantasy trilogy and a Sci-Fi trilogy, but I haven't read them. All his 40k stuff is excellent.
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Jan 30, 2023 19:36
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pseudorandom name posted:It's just a bunch of made-up people having made-up feelings about made-up bullshit!
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Jan 30, 2023 19:42
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Someone here recommended the abridged Neuromancer audiobook read by William Gibson. I started it this morning and it's really fun. I got a chuckle out of him reading noticeably faster during a sex scene. Edit: oh yeah and theres a copy on archive.org.
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Jan 30, 2023 22:27
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Neptune's Brood (Freyaverse) by Charles Stross - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AR2RZ4K/
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Jan 30, 2023 23:28
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Harold Fjord posted:I will edit Baru I think Baru is fine and just waiting on a publication slot or something (please correct me if I'm wrong). The book that's giving GB fits (via rear end in a top hat publishers apparently) is something different. Maybe offer to help with that one. I'd do it myself but I've already promised to help two other folks with their books and with my luck they'd all show up at the same time and turn my brain into Cream of Wheat spaghetti.
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Jan 30, 2023 23:56
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Just put the whole text into Chat-GPT and tell it to add more violence
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Jan 31, 2023 02:53
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D-Pad posted:Yes, she's amazing. Book is Rite of Passage by Mike Brooks. He has written a mainstream Fantasy trilogy and a Sci-Fi trilogy, but I haven't read them. All his 40k stuff is excellent. The fantasy trilogy has knights who ride dinosaurs, very progressive attitudes to sexuality/gender roles and refugees. All stuff I'm interested in but as a story it was only ok tbh, I read the first two of the trilogy but didn't bother with the third. I had the same reaction to his sci fi series starting with dark run - I think his 40k stuff is decent.
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Jan 31, 2023 03:13
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D-Pad posted:Yes, she's amazing. Book is Rite of Passage by Mike Brooks. He has written a mainstream Fantasy trilogy and a Sci-Fi trilogy, but I haven't read them. All his 40k stuff is excellent. His sci-fi trilogy is...very Firefly-ish? I liked it overall, it is a sort if Diaspora where all Terra-like planets are mostly used for farming/recreation, worlds being terraformed are mining colonies/resource extraction. The super powers of Earth ended up forming regional blocks: United States of North America, Europa, Russo-China, Africa. It's nothing groundbreaking but they're a quick read and were enjoyable. His WH40K stuff is much better as they've not got that new-author shine to them. Plus, he has a wicked Mohawk.
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Jan 31, 2023 04:15
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I just finished Piranesi. What a great, short book. I can’t think of anything bad about it, it’s just so good too to bottom. I’m really hoping for a good film adaptation of that, it feels like it would be a great world to see on a screen. It also feels like it would be a very inexpensive movie to do well.
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Jan 31, 2023 05:50
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pseudorandom name posted:It's just a bunch of made-up people having made-up feelings about made-up bullshit! At least the dragons would be more rational than real humans. Why read about our current hellscape when I can read about someone else's hellscape but with "aliens" that totally isn't an author's allegory
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Reading people try and justify their perceived dislike of literature using the world's strawest men is extremely painful.
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