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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Charles Ford posted:

It works a bit like Santa Claus

Tim Allen killed Mothman!?

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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Here's one that's more of an urban legend than a cryptid: the Virginia Bunny Man

It started out as two incidents in Fairfax County VA back in 1970 featuring a guy wielding an axe and reportedly wearing a bunny costume


The two witnesses to the first incident actually disagreed as to whether he was wearing a rabbit costume and Bennett's fiancee claimed he was wearing a white capirote (a tall pointed hood)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunny_Man#Origin

Since then it has spun out to all sorts of tales and legends involving ghosts and axe murderers and whatnot. There's a specific railway underpass in Clifton VA which he is supposed to haunt, it's got some good Yelp reviews and people like to visit it so they can take bunny suit selfies:
https://twitter.com/voodooman3/status/1378806267666391041

The story about asylum inmate Douglas J. Grifon putting on the bunny suit and going on an axe rampage started spreading via the internet around 1999 but doesn't stand up to scrutiny

quote:

The most widely circulated written version entitled The Clifton Bunny Man and signed by Timothy C. Forbes, Virginia, was posted on a Web site called Castle of Spirits around 1999.2 This version of the tale is actually quite notable because of the number of specific facts given. Forbes claims that in 1904 inmates from an insane asylum escaped while being transferred to Lorton Prison. One of these escapees, Douglas J. Grifon, murdered fellow escapee Marcus Wallster and eventually became the Bunny Man. Not only is the location identified, but also the names of several victims and the dates of their murders. The story ends with a challenge for the reader to check with the Clifton Town Library for verification of the facts.

Little effort was required to show that all of the specifics given in the Forbes version are false. First, there has never been an asylum for the insane in Fairfax County. Second, Lorton Prison didn't come into existence until 1910, and even then it was an arm of the District of Columbia Corrections system, not Virginia's. Third, neither Grifon nor Wallster appear in the court records of Fairfax County. Lastly, there is not and never has been a Clifton Town Library.

The story also received wide recognition after being featured on national television. The program called Scariest Places on Earth, broadcast on the Fox Family Channel, included a segment entitled "Terror on Bunnyman's Bridge" in the 2001 broadcast season.3
https://research.fairfaxcounty.gov/local-history/bunnyman

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Little effort was required to show that all of the specifics given in the Forbes version are false. First, there has never been an asylum for the insane in Fairfax County. Second, Lorton Prison didn't come into existence until 1910, and even then it was an arm of the District of Columbia Corrections system, not Virginia's. Third, neither Grifon nor Wallster appear in the court records of Fairfax County. Lastly, there is not and never has been aClifton Town Library.

What sort of town doesn't have a town library? No wonder they have a rabbit suit axe murderer infestation. :colbert:

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


Just want to thank this thread for introducing me to Strong Toad, who I think about constantly.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

incredible toad

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Charles Ford posted:

I wish there was a mothman of San Jose, California, there's very little good folklore out here
You know about the big salamanders?

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/05/the-mysterious-giant-salamanders-of-northern-california

They're a fair bit north of San Jose, but they're my favorite California cryptid.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



I was thinking back to Chicago Mothman and decided to see what other cryptids were around in Illinois. I found a fun one, the Cole Hollow Road Monster (aka Comoho), a stinky Bigfoot variant from right around where I grew up.



Apparently there were two main waves of Cohomo excitement, a bunch of calls to the police about sightings in May 1972, and then enough excitement for a search party to go hunting it in July. Here's a newspaper article I found about the main person I've seen associated with the story:



Not surprisingly (and not reported on all cryptid sites), the guy later said it was just BS he made up to scare his friends that ended up spreading to other people. But from the article the timeline's a bit confusing for that, I think what must have happened was a "real" wave of sightings back in May, and then he made up a story a couple months later about having seen it back then, which got folks excited enough to send out a hundred person search party trying to track it down. The part that made me laugh was that the great Cohomo hunt was ultimately called off when one of the search party volunteers shot himself in the foot, ending any organized attempt to track it down. And that's the story of Illinois's very own Cole Hollow Road Monster!

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Speaking of Midwest cryptid/urban legends, the Mad Gasser of Mattoon is one I always liked and found really creepy as a kid, especially this illustration from Karl Shuker's book The Unexplained:



Reading up on it later, it really did come across as mass hysteria. Reminds me of Havana Syndrome more than anything, come to think about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Gasser_of_Mattoon

Ror posted:

Just want to thank this thread for introducing me to Strong Toad, who I think about constantly.



Hypnotoad's cousin!?

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Chairman Capone posted:

Speaking of Midwest cryptid/urban legends, the Mad Gasser of Mattoon is one I always liked and found really creepy as a kid, especially this illustration from Karl Shuker's book The Unexplained:



Reading up on it later, it really did come across as mass hysteria. Reminds me of Havana Syndrome more than anything, come to think about it.


I had the monster in my pocket toy as a kid: Wish I still did:

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Biblical cryptid: when the plague of frogs sent against the people of Egypt is described in Exodus it used the Hebrew word tzfarde'im (frogs, plural) but also tzfarde'a (frog, singular) which lead to a debate over whether God sent a plague of tiny frogs or one gigantic frog which then spontaneously turned into/spawned lots of tiny frogs



https://aish.com/48959241/

FROGZILLA

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Biblical cryptid: when the plague of frogs sent against the people of Egypt is described in Exodus it used the Hebrew word tzfarde'im (frogs, plural) but also tzfarde'a (frog, singular) which lead to a debate over whether God sent a plague of tiny frogs or one gigantic frog which then spontaneously turned into/spawned lots of tiny frogs



https://aish.com/48959241/

FROGZILLA

A new proposal: It was a million normal sized frogs that linked arms and Voltroned themselves together into one giant frog

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Lol, I've never heard that before but I love it. It feels like a Would You Rather choice.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
So I'm unfortunately not familiar with all the Godzilla movies, has he ever fought a giant frog kaiju?

Cos if not they should really make that movie. Really needs to be doing that jolly saunter like in the illustration for full effect though.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Yeah that frog is super pumped about going to Egypt to eat the first born or whatever.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Meanwhile the two people in the background just seem to be slightly annoyed be the killer plague frog.

"urgh that jerk. You hear he at Jacob last week? Do we really have to invite him around for dinner again?"
"it would be rude not to dear. He and his wife invited us to that nice lunch last week"
"pftt.. fine. whatever."

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

dr_rat posted:

So I'm unfortunately not familiar with all the Godzilla movies, has he ever fought a giant frog kaiju?

Godzilla hasn't but there' been several frog kaiju in other films:

http://kaiju.wikidot.com/wiki:frog


E: Magic Serpent (1966) is up on Youtube. Big twist: the giant frog is Luke Skywalker, the plot is fairly similar to Star Wars. The dragon (giant serpent) is Vader, the giant eagle is Ob-Wan and the giant spider is Leia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOcUAdZPmaw

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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Godzilla hasn't but there' been several frog kaiju in other films:

http://kaiju.wikidot.com/wiki:frog


E: Magic Serpent (1966) is up on Youtube. Big twist: the giant frog is Luke Skywalker, the plot is fairly similar to Star Wars. The dragon (giant serpent) is Vader, the giant eagle is Ob-Wan and the giant spider is Leia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOcUAdZPmaw


Magic Serpent rules! The frog costume got reused in the fantasy ninja tv series Akakage, which then got edited into a few compilation feature films with the main character rechristened Watari, to cash in on a popular magic kid film of the same name.

Loads of monsters, fantasy action, and great dubbing:

https://archive.org/details/wataritheconqueror
https://archive.org/details/fantastick

I love 60s/70s Japanese FX compilation films like Voyage Into Space and the Sandy Frank library, whole series cut down into 90 minutes of madness and dubbed daffy.

Wee
Dec 16, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
2 Cryptids I'm worried about:

Woolwolf - Changes from a sheep to a sheep that is actually a wolf.

Ape-dog - A dog who's front legs are the arms of an ape, and its hind legs are the legs of an ape.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Piss Creep posted:

Ape-dog - A dog who's front legs are the arms of an ape, and its hind legs are the legs of an ape.

There's also the Shug Monkey from Cambridgeshire UK which is an ape with the front legs of a dog and the hind legs of a dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shug_Monkey

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

There's also the Shug Monkey from Cambridgeshire UK which is an ape with the front legs of a dog and the hind legs of a dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shug_Monkey

the UK has a lot of weird dogs. shucks, shugs, grims. perhaps a strong frog dog.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Piss Creep posted:

Ape-dog - A dog who's front legs are the arms of an ape, and its hind legs are the legs of an ape.
I have bad news for you, this exists and is a baboon.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I was listening to the most recent episode of the Wetwired podcast where they were discussing Graham Hancock, and the host mentioned a study whose conclusions were that engineers tended to be over-represented among conspiracy theorists by occupation. He didn't provide a link to it in the episode notes though, and a few minutes on Google isn't turning up anything that stands out. Might anyone here be familiar with that (or some comparable study)? I would be really interested to read it.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Chairman Capone posted:

I was listening to the most recent episode of the Wetwired podcast where they were discussing Graham Hancock, and the host mentioned a study whose conclusions were that engineers tended to be over-represented among conspiracy theorists by occupation. He didn't provide a link to it in the episode notes though, and a few minutes on Google isn't turning up anything that stands out. Might anyone here be familiar with that (or some comparable study)? I would be really interested to read it.

I've heard of that study and a related one that asserts engineers are overrepresented among terrorists. I can't track them down right now, but from memory there were some ideas about how engineering is the default technical career path, emphasizes a narrow set of skills, with exact answers and "the right way to do it".

Added: the terrorism link appears in Engineers of Jihad – The Curious Connection between Violent Extremism and Education Hardcover –
by Gambetta, Hertog which looks to be the evolution of a paper you can goggle for. It makes for an interesting read for some correlations different to what I remembered

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Ah jeez, I just had this guy randomly pop up in my Youtube recommendations. He's an Australian ex-con MMA wannabe-podcaster rapper (ex-rapper?) who decided to add "paranormal investigator" to his job list so he gets together with some mates and wanders around supposedly haunted sites and constantly freaks the gently caress out at every little noise. :v:
This episode is hilarious, it ends with his buddy getting so overhyped he starts to pass out which of course they assume is the ghost trying to possess him, they respond by shouting rude things at the ghost and throwing rocks at it. Also they're super confused and mystified that a deep underground tunnel is much colder than the temperature outside.
The dude is extremely :australia: so be aware that he's going to be throwing around a lot of Australian swears and speaking in a nigh-unintelligible gibberish that probably won't make any sense to anyone who doesn't speak current Strine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nxx9LpKvtQ

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

nonathlon posted:

I've heard of that study and a related one that asserts engineers are overrepresented among terrorists. I can't track them down right now, but from memory there were some ideas about how engineering is the default technical career path, emphasizes a narrow set of skills, with exact answers and "the right way to do it".

Added: the terrorism link appears in Engineers of Jihad – The Curious Connection between Violent Extremism and Education Hardcover –
by Gambetta, Hertog which looks to be the evolution of a paper you can goggle for. It makes for an interesting read for some correlations different to what I remembered

Awesome, thank you for this - it looks like Engineers of Jihad is available on Jstor, for anyone who has access to that.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
New cryptid just dropped: VAGSQUATCH

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

This episode is hilarious, it ends with his buddy getting so overhyped he starts to pass out which of course they assume is the ghost trying to possess him, they respond by shouting rude things at the ghost and throwing rocks at it. Also they're super confused and mystified that a deep underground tunnel is much colder than the temperature outside.

lmao, hey, you never know, maybe it would've saved all those teenagers in the horror movies if they tried that.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


Why does the USA keep shooting down mothmans!?

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Upsidads posted:

Why does the USA keep shooting down mothmans!?

because Mothman did 9/11

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Ambitious Spider posted:

because Mothman did 9/11



MOTHMAN DON'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!!!!
Waek up sheeple it it was obviously the council of dwaves framing them!!

Dwaves are well known for their exellent metal work and hatred of all things moth!

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



https://twitter.com/Valdevia_Art/status/1624830699495899137

Interesting if true

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

https://twitter.com/fannarapi/status/1625685856005640194?s=19

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Ambitious Spider posted:

because Mothman did 9/11



Looks more like Q The Winged Serpent to me

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy
Inhumanoids is quite the book:

quote:

In fact, it can be argued that the whole of the reasoning behind Hitler’s merciless attempts at world domination was simply to be found “worthy” of acceptance by the superhuman subterranean inhumanoids which ruled the inner world.

Charles Ford
Nov 27, 2004

The Earth is a farm. We are someone else’s Ford Focus.
So since "humanoid" means "non-human, but human-like", is an inhumanoid a double negative, like an actual human after all? Possibly that doesn't look human, but is?

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Charles Ford posted:

So since "humanoid" means "non-human, but human-like", is an inhumanoid a double negative, like an actual human after all? Possibly that doesn't look human, but is?

I expected that it would all sorts of weird creatures that weren’t humanoid. But this book has all sorts of giants, little folk, clowns and assorted other humanoid creatures. im pretty sure he’s the kind of weirdo who at the conclusion of the book is going. To go all this poo poo is 100% real, but they are all literal demons

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
these are Inhumanoids. the guy in the middle, he could open his ribcage and stick guys in there like a jail cell. pretty metal.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Hell yeah, the jingle has been in my head for 35 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSGsaVHNISs

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



uber_stoat posted:

these are Inhumanoids. the guy in the middle, he could open his ribcage and stick guys in there like a jail cell. pretty metal.



I had one of the tree figures growing up and it's always a blast of nostalgia when I see one pop up every 5 years or so.

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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



I totally missed those things, but I remember He-Man being all over the tv even though that show came out earlier. I guess it just had more staying power than the Imhumanoids?

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