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So we're keeping the thread title, huh?
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Feb 14, 2023 16:20
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Feb 14, 2023 16:23
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Yoshida showing up rather suddenly is perfectly normal here and not at all suspicious
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Feb 14, 2023 16:25
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That was worth the wait. Its heartwarming she very much cares for Denji. Better start buying those ice creams Denji.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:28
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So good to see Nyako again!
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Feb 14, 2023 16:28
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drat. 
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Feb 14, 2023 16:30
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Also just what a loving chapter to put out on Valentine's day.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:33
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give me ice creams
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Feb 14, 2023 16:53
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Denji can't catch a break, now he has to spend even MORE time scamming homeless guys to pay for all that ice cream.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:58
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very funny to me that people spent so long thinking about like "wow is it weird and messed up for denji to have to raise this child who's so reminiscent of makima, what's that like, even her hair is similar, what's nayuta gonna be like" and then the first thing she does on panel is turn someone into a dog for displeasing her in a direct echo of pretty much the worst of the many bad things that happened to denji in part 1 lol. jury's still out on "heartwarming" but it's definitely hilarious e: rather than "denji explained everything to nayuta" or "nayuta remembers everything" to explain why nayuta knows every woman tries to kill denji, i prefer to believe that between part 1 and now denji has had like five different bomb devil-type arcs and nayuta has watched all of them go horribly wrong Valentin fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 17:03
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Happy Valentine's Day everyone, be sure to spit on your property today.
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Feb 14, 2023 17:16
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Yay meowy  This comic is great at throwing curveballs. I can't even pretend to predict what's going to happen next because I'll never be even kind of right
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Feb 14, 2023 17:21
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Valentin posted:very funny to me that people spent so long thinking about like "wow is it weird and messed up for denji to have to raise this child who's so reminiscent of makima, what's that like, even her hair is similar, what's nayuta gonna be like" and then the first thing she does on panel is turn someone into a dog for displeasing her in a direct echo of pretty much the worst of the many bad things that happened to denji in part 1 lol. jury's still out on "heartwarming" but it's definitely hilarious Funny as that would be, given that Nayuta can basically effortlessly control people she can probably find out what happened fairly easily
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Feb 14, 2023 17:27
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yeah, at this point it seems that Denji raising Nayuta is more of a losing battle to her gaining complete control over their lives. Gonna have to eat and try again imho.
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Feb 14, 2023 17:36
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Oh thank god, Naytua rules. That is all.
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Feb 14, 2023 17:36
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honestly after seeing a lot of people thinking this is uncomplicatedly cute and fun my only question is whether "denji is doing his best to make things to go differently but it's probably not good that the control devil is dictating his life and who he hangs out with" is going to feel like a twist to people when it stops being (extremely unsubtle) subtext and just becomes actual text, in the same way that many readers ignored or did not register the obvious red flags around makima. can't wait for things with nayuta to go very, very wrong and denji to try the nayuta of the prophecy ending approach only for that to make things even worse e: lots of references going on in these chapters: the dog leashes to match makima's part 1 chains for her servants, "thief" vs "bang", turning asa into a dog a la denji, wiping asa's memories like angel devil's. any other references to makima's greatest hits? Valentin fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 17:51
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Valentin posted:honestly after seeing a lot of people thinking this is uncomplicatedly cute and fun my only question is whether "denji is doing his best to make things to go differently but it's probably not good that the control devil is dictating his life and who he hangs out with" is going to feel like a twist to people when it stops being (extremely unsubtle) subtext and just becomes actual text, in the same way that many readers ignored or did not register the obvious red flags around makima. can't wait for things with nayuta to go very, very wrong and denji to try the nayuta of the prophecy ending approach only for that to make things even worse I think the fact that her two demands are basically Makima's core desires, sans getting chainsaw, Food & Controlling People's Social Groups Also one of the animators in Adventure Time made a great post https://twitter.com/ianjq/status/1625540373287415810
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Feb 14, 2023 18:07
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Yeah It's hard to tell if this is Denji trusting Nayuta's judgement on Asa's "scent" or if he's spoiling her. He doesn't press her with like "Why don't you want me to get close to her?" or anything like that. He's also not really being a "parent" here, he's just immediately giving in to her demands. Honestly this chapter didn't read as cute to me, it read as sad and made me feel bad for Denji - his life is still being ran by Makima, just in Nayuta form. Of course, the more charitable interpretation is that they know each other extremely well and trust each other - Denji then wouldn't be pressing her on the issue because he trusts her. It's also not a bad move as a single parent to prioritize your child over a new romantic interest, although the framing of this is less "the new romantic partner is bad for the parent/child" and more "the child doesn't want to share the parent, and the parent immediately gives in" (yes, we know Asa is bad news for Denji, but Denji himself doesn't know that. Nayuta maybe does, but hasn't elaborated on it in any meaningful way beyond "she has a bad scent")
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Feb 14, 2023 18:09
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I think the nature of the relationship is also leaning closer to Brother/Sister. Pochita mentions that Control Devil wanted someone to be an equal to, or something of that effect, so Denji was never going to have much, well, Control over Nayuta, but he's absolutely spoiling her even in his role as an older brother and with how she just casually changes Asa's memories after eating, Denji's lost complete control over the relationship. Gotta eat up and try again. Well, I guess not "complete" yet. Nayuta still feels the need to have Denji agree to some extent to her bs, to bargain with him instead of just deciding to turn a girl into a dog and then eat ice cream every day, but that bargain being how we first see her sure isn't comforting to how this arc will go! MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 18:14
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The joke here is that Nayuta is 100% right. Asa is possessed by a Horseman and the initial reason she dated Denji was so that she could murder him and turn him into a weapon. And sure, she eventually changed her mind about him (kinda, maybe) but Yoru sure as hell didn't. And Yoru has full control over Asa and was literally attempting to turn Denji into a sword the moment Nayuta controlled her into a dog. Any prolonged contact with Asa is actively dangerous to Denji, because Yoru might either eventually get the whole "convert him into a weapon" thing" right, or finally figure out Denji is Chainsaw Man and attempt to murder him. If you care about well-being and safety of Denji, keeping him as far away from Asa as possible is unambiguously the correct action.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:20
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Yoshida is the NTR devil
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Feb 14, 2023 18:22
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Nayuta is...correct here, though? Like, 1000% correct. Denji asks “why can’t I date her?” And she gives the incredibly accurate answer of “because she’s clearly just trying to kill you, and also I’m pretty sure she’s a devil.” And even Denji kind of agrees with the logic there.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:23
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Nayuta is just proto-Makima at this point which is fine since Makima did nothing wrong.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:26
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AnoHito posted:Nayuta is...correct here, though? Like, 1000% correct. Denji asks “why can’t I date her?” And she gives the incredibly accurate answer of “because she’s clearly just trying to kill you, and also I’m pretty sure she’s a devil.” And even Denji kind of agrees with the logic there. I like to think at some point in that conversation the real meaning of “Denji spinal cord sword” finally clicked in his head
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Feb 14, 2023 18:27
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she's definitely not wrong, but she seems just as intentionally not right. it's not that the situation is definitely awful (though she does intend to leave asa as a dog forever and still ends up wiping her memories, which both seem sort of obviously not good), it's more that i've seen quite a few comments elsewhere about how wholesome it is when it seems much more ambiguous than that
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Feb 14, 2023 18:30
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Feb 14, 2023 18:33
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I don't really agree with the proto-Makima comments. Nayuta acts like a little brat and has far more in common with Power in that sense and is nowhere as manipulative as Makima or anything. In fact her control over both the dogs and Denji is shown to be woefully incomplete (failing to keep one of them from trying to eat her food) and it really doesn't look like she has much interest in anything other than controlling Denji at best.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:34
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Valentin posted:she's definitely not wrong, but she seems just as intentionally not right. it's not that the situation is definitely awful (though she does intend to leave asa as a dog forever and still ends up wiping her memories, which both seem sort of obviously not good), it's more that i've seen quite a few comments elsewhere about how wholesome it is when it seems much more ambiguous than that Is it really less wholesome then Aki and Power?
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Feb 14, 2023 18:35
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It's wholesome in so far as it shows Denji and Nayuta nominally caring about each other, however there is a lot to read between the lines which is kinda what makes CSM great. It presents as wholesome, while being clearly subversive of the dynamic we've been given hints at.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:35
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Life isn't perfect, and an innately hosed up situation isn't going to magically change into something better. She is and always will be the Control Devil. She will always, always, always be about control. Period. If the extent of her desire is running Denji's life, that is an amazing loving win from our boy Denji.. The previous alternative was "Destroying the fundamental metaphysical framework of reality". She's a spoiled brat, sure, but so what? Let her be spoiled. Her previous life turned her into an actual monster, if she wants some ice cream and also for Denji not to associate with more women trying to kill him that's more humanity than we ever got from Makima.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:36
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Yoru, Asa and Denji were going to have a lovely date. 
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Feb 14, 2023 18:37
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Mulva posted:She's a spoiled brat, sure, but so what? Let her be spoiled. Her previous life turned her into an actual monster, if she wants some ice cream and also for Denji not to associate with more women trying to kill him that's more humanity than we ever got from Makima. i get what you're going for but makima literally wanted both those things too lol. "unironically likes good food" and "apparently cares about denji's security (secretly because it's key to her ultimate plan to destroy his sense of security)" are two of makima's most heavily-hit beats in part 1. she's not makima because 1) she's literally not makima and 2) she's a child. but i don't think "this slightly tense situation which can be read multiple ways and specifically calls back to the author's earlier work about a child almost destroying the world because of her attachment to her brother" is going to swerve us by ending totally peaceably (though it could!) Valentin fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 18:38
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Nayuta is more different than Makima than it seems actually. Here, Nayuta's methods are bad but her intention is to protect Denji. While Makima's methods seem kinder at first glance, her actual intentions are horrific.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:43
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The most important development in this chapter is that Meowy is there.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:49
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I love the Peak Cope monologue from Asa. It’s an excellent page. Ruflux posted:I don't really agree with the proto-Makima comments. Nayuta acts like a little brat and has far more in common with Power in that sense and is nowhere as manipulative as Makima or anything. In fact her control over both the dogs and Denji is shown to be woefully incomplete (failing to keep one of them from trying to eat her food) and it really doesn't look like she has much interest in anything other than controlling Denji at best. Incredibly funny that Nayuta can control people and force them to behave like dogs, but cannot control dogs.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:49
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AnoHito posted:Nayuta is...correct here, though? Like, 1000% correct. Denji asks “why can’t I date her?” And she gives the incredibly accurate answer of “because she’s clearly just trying to kill you, and also I’m pretty sure she’s a devil.” And even Denji kind of agrees with the logic there. I think the problem isn't that she's not correct, but rather how she's acting and communicating. She doesn't actually say "this girl is probably a devil and is probably trying to kill you" - when Denji asks why she did it, it's because Asa was trying to steal "her property" (Denji). Her line about "every girl tries to kill you" feels more like her trying to justify her selfish actions. "She has a bad scent" is the most damning line, but is also ambiguous - if she said "I'm pretty sure she's a devil" then that'd be wildly different, and I suspect Denji would act differently as well. From Denji's point of view, he's found a girl he likes that maybe kind of likes him, he's gotten a second date, and while she gave mixed messages he was getting a kiss out of the deal - then suddenly Nayuta comes in and forbids him from growing closer to her under threat of enslaving the girl. It's an unfair ultimatum with no real justification that doesn't come across as an excuse. We, the readers, know Nayuta is correct, but Denji does not. To clarify, I'm not saying this is bad writing or I don't like it or anything, this is all great stuff. Loved the chapter quite a lot. I'm just surprised seeing people saying this is wholesome or cute or whatever, when it just makes me feel bad for Denji. And yeah, she's not literally Makima, there are a number of notable differences between them that are already apparent. I'm excited to see where the story takes her and her relationship with Denji.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:53
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Valentin posted:i get what you're going for but makima literally wanted both those things too lol. "unironically likes good food" and "apparently cares about denji's security (secretly because it's key to her ultimate plan to destroy his sense of security)" are two of makima's most heavily-hit beats in part 1. That's not true. The entire point is that pretty much all of part 1 is Makima creating a situation to psychologically obliterate Denji's sense of self. The entire climax is based on the idea Denji had that she never perceived him as an individual once. Which was shown to be true. Makima only cared about Pochita, and Denji was just some thing she had to get through to set Pochita free. And again, this isn't a great situation. But so what? Their world is a nihilistic hellscape, and there aren't exactly a lot of happy endings possible. This is right up there with the best they were going to get.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:54
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one positive development here is that we see nayuta still copying denji’s mannerisms (the peace sign and his stupid donkey laugh). emulating him like that implies she feels some degree of admiration towards him, beyond just thinking of him as “property”
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Big Leg posted:i love the page where it keeps zooming in on asa's face and her exposition doubles in size each panel So good. Can't wait for next chapter !!! and in 7 days too 
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