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This thread that I read all of today is incredible: not just for the wonderful story, but also the revelation that NJAN can post good as long as it's not in UKMT. House looks surprisingly good too, I hope the rest of the build is speedy, inexpensive, and above all well documented here.
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big scary monsters posted:I hope the rest of the build is speedy, inexpensive, and above all well documented here. I feel like this is a choose one kind of thing. Can't wait for the posts.
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Feb 20, 2023 03:35
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And thankfully it’s definitely going to be well documented here. Shame about the other dimensions
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Feb 20, 2023 04:16
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Lol at inexpensive.
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Ok so hows about a post about my backdoor. Theres other stuff going on concurrently I assure, mainly myself, but also you. I'm pretty sure I showed a picture of my front/back doors being delivered a while ago. Theyve lived in the garage for like.. I wanna say a few months (but probably a year). So I fell out with the door people as they wouldn't fit the particular fittings and locks I wanted even though it was like just one model up from the ones they do. Fine, I'll do it myself, send me the drat doors naked. And then I buy all the locks and whatnot I want myself elsewhere. Turns out doing all the door dressing is actually quite hard. Also the doors were no cheaper minus the fitting bits? wtf? I forget now why I ever did this. I find some instructions online to try and figure out how to do this.  WTF? this reminds me of my drawings when I was on too many drugs to dig foundations. But anyway yeah need to machine all that. So step one, anticipating a massive fuckup I buy some bits of wood and attempt to mockup my door with a sacrificial dummy door. Because these doors are lots of money. You would not believe how much a door costs once you tell someone its like your front door.  You can see behind, the backdoor I've lifted off its hinges and set in a little homemade jig to work on. I guess that was step none. And the door frame supported in its own standup jig I made. Oh and my router attached to a specialised jig I made, and an expensive sauber jig I bought. Like this is already 500miles of steps and I haven't even started. Closeups   So the router is going to move the full way up and down the door (or fake door) edge to give the final finish fitting. Whilst the sauber is for the deeper cuts that will produce the hollows to take the various locks and keeps and stuff, but these tend to only be like maximum 6 inches long. The sauber uses a fitting that allows you to attach a standard drill to their own router bits through the attachment that keep it centred on the door width.  Actually I forgot a bit. My door turns out to be weird and is itself offset? Like the middle of it isnt the middle of it, so I need to but an additional adapter to the sauber kit to recentre it on my offcentred doors. I dunno why I'm explaining this when it should all be so obvious. Anyway machining practice not bad  Look at that, fits.  Now just simply and calmly repeat on actual door. Routes (?) in  Sauber plunges(?) in  Bam! Locky door system thingy in!  So you'd think door job done? Yeah... nah So the argument I had with the doormen (not my first argument with doormen and didnt get my head kicked in this time so I guess I'm maturing) was about the whole internetty locks thing I wanted. Which means wires in the door. So I'm going to have the ability to use a phone or like an internet hacker/stalker or whoever operate my doors. Which means a wire from the locking system on one side of the door across to the other side of the door where the hinges are so it can use a tappit connection to send signals to and from the house brain I shall install in the loft somewhere. Basically I need to drill a metre long hole with absolute precision all the way through the width of the door.  Fortunately they sell yet another sauber extension piece to do that! But you need to start it with this thing I got from Lidl first as otherwise it won't fit not sure why.  I begin the drilling. I realise there is a problem. You know how my door centre is offset? Well poo poo I'm going to fall out of the door if I drill through here. Hmmm is this really confusing? Maybe this picture shows you. Ideally I wanted to drill directly through the door where the lock mechanism was vertically situated as its where the wire comes from. But I can't, because at that point the door is thin. So instead I'm going to have to travel down vertically through the door and then travel horizontally through the fat bit of door?  I'll do some sketchups to illustrate it. So anyway my all the way through drill is slightly too short so I try and drill back to find it but miss it so try again and basically I'm making a hash of this door  But I fit some dowels and noone will ever know   But I've still got to route that wire along the length of vertical door until it can get to its horizontal hole. BUT theres screws down the centre of the face plate to fix the mechanism into the door. I'm loving struggling here just typing this up. So I need to do a few wiggles and glue back in some bits of wood to where I messed up and routed traight down the (offset) middle.  And install the cheap chinese tappit on the otherside as I gave up on winkhaus and their german prices and availability and delivery.  Works. OK Then drill through the door for handles and locks.  Lets take a moment to relax. Here is my go to lunch on days where I gently caress up and havent made pack lunch and have to go to town for like some stupid extra router bit or whatever. Its the best tesco meal deal option.  Lock! (second one, first one didnt fit)  Right. Now rehang door, use tape to mark up positions of lock and keeps, swing in, chock up and transfer levels across to machine frame with the corresponding bits.  Use the sauber and router with a new even more offset jig to machine these out. And fit the frame pieces.  Piece of cake... Right so forgive me here. I havent taken any photos. Because too stressed/angry/whatever. So when I've finished fitting all the components into the frame and rehanging the door to swing round into place to confirm everything it good. Well... it isnt good. Years of housebuilding (just this one) have taught me to remain calm. So having gone outside and smashed a bunch of poo poo to bits I return to see whats wrong. So. So you know how I used tape to mark the points on the door to transfer to the frame? well I did that perfectly. But I may have used the top of the 2 inch tape each time when, ideally, I should have used the bottom. So the whole loving lot is out by two inches.  Actually kill me. Like why have doors on houses? Theyre loving stupid. Anyway. Its not how hard you gently caress up a door its how... hard you get up again? I remachine the whole lot lower. And then set about machining some little bits of oak from my leftovers to fill/cover the absolutely unforgivably fuckups that I scream daily at myself in the shower about.   You get real good at saying things like "you'll never see that", "unless you knew", "unless you're really looking" At least at this point I get to turn my ire on someone else. So the loving floor is all bumpy and sloped up to the doorway. Bloody screeders! So need to grind that off to something approaching level.  My brother and I take a few goes, bearing in mind got to get two seperate wires fed through but manage to get it in and correct.    Success! Like actually theres a whole load more poo poo. Screwing the frame into my thermolite blocks and everything but you know I've had enough for one post. BY the way this is the easy door, the front door is much more complicated.
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Feb 22, 2023 00:34
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thank you for your suffering for our collective entertainment NJAN99
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Feb 22, 2023 00:46
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Aside from the absence of contractors, I feel like the backdoor story is just a miniature version of the whole thread. Edit: Also, I hope you never change your avatar. All of this is so much more hilarious when I imagine a furious baby writing it.
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Feb 22, 2023 00:48
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just an incredible amount of effort to have a door, bravo OP
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Feb 22, 2023 00:52
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Lol Jesus Christ
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Feb 22, 2023 02:03
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Top of the tape/bottom of the tape, I think we lost a Mars probe that way
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Feb 22, 2023 02:45
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Leperflesh posted:thank you for your suffering for our collective entertainment NJAN99  not discounting skill and knowledge, but so much of being "good" at projects is 1. not getting hung up in the planning stage so much that you never start and 2. dealing calmly with and accepting your gently caress ups, then implementing an acceptable fix so it can actually get done
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Feb 22, 2023 02:53
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It is an attractive door.
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Feb 22, 2023 03:47
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Hobbies, Crafts, & Houses > Towards an L shape architecture: I forget now why I ever did this
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Epitope posted:Top of the tape/bottom of the tape, I think we lost a Mars probe that way The Russians used 0-width tape.
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Heh I know the guys at Coastal Hardware, and tons of people at Winkhaus. Gotta say I'm impressed with the door work - yeah you hosed it up, but even taking it on is impressive.
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I am nothing if not an impressive gently caress up. Not much of an update. Ordered plasterboard as had reports it was about to double in price so by now its probably at an all time low. Relationship with previous building merchant is ruined. Theyre sending me threatening letters, shot in the back over a matter of 80 dollars for two sheets of insulation they never returned a quotation for and charged me the earth. So switched to one of the other ones, who literally turned up at my house touting for business. Basically the same just different coloured truck.   Insulation is solely for the ceilings. Walls are going to be directly plastered to avoid horrible dot and dab. I don't understand it? You lose room area, air tightness is poo poo. Its rubbish. I'm not sure its even cheap? So my blockwork walls will be directly plastered to like 8ish(probably more) mm of a pre plaster stuff then a skim of plaster. Manoeuvre the plasterboard round to the bifold doors to get in under cover.   Get them nicely stacked up inside. You may have seen we are slightly out of order as these have now been covered in every tool and piece of poo poo I've ever bought as every flat surface is a big shelf.  Then I also start cutting wall chases for electrical runs and socket/switch backboxes. I have an actual wallchaser but my brother has lost the special chuck key you need to reset the cut width so its basically useless. I don't need it with my flimsy blocks anyway as I can basically use a toothbrush to chisel out wire runs. Anyway theres certain rules to follow.  So you can put wires anywhere near edges, and anywhere theres a socket/switch or visible electrical plate on the wall you can go horizontally or vertically with wires and thats allowed. Its a bit like an early nokia game or something.  and theres sort of recommended/mandated heights for everything which is mostly around keeping everything in the middle so if you're in a wheelchair you dont have to reach either up or down too far to do it. I start cutting out things with my little ryobi multi function tool  And whacking in backboxes  Use a little laser to transfer heights all round to keep everything nice and in regulation and visibly in line    And use a little bit of conduit to make sure my wall chases are 25mm/20mm cosy as required.  Most of them only go up as everything will be run from above. Those ones going down to the floor are for the kitchen island and stuff that needs to pickup the cabling already run under the floor. Oh yeah and theres rules about how deep you can cut. Vertically 1/3 of the wall leaf depth. So for me usually 33mm. My fatest conduit is 25mm and plaster adds a little extra room so no issues there. Horizontally you can only go to 1/6th depth so I'm avoiding those where possible. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 24, 2023 |
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Feb 24, 2023 23:33
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
In my experience, ebay can often solve a problem like this. (Apologies for stating the obvious.)
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Feb 24, 2023 23:43
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It was cheap poo poo wall chaser anyway and I really don't need it. I did look on ebay but it would mean buying the whole thing again. Its annoying its just got slightly longer pins on the little wrench than normal. I spent money on an adjustable one but you can't get purchase.
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Feb 24, 2023 23:48
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Hmm didn't realise horizontal chases were different depths, makes sense tho. Reckon my electrician just did whatever the gently caress he felt like, can't imagine he was that arsed with the regs
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I can't imagine in the history of building an inspector has ever come in and measured a horizontal wall chase to be like 18mm and shut down the build for being a mm deep. Mainly cos no one comes to check anything ever. I'm sticking to it mainly because I'm pretty sure my internal walls are about to fall down anyway let alone if i chop anything out of them. I'll need to try and record a video of the internal walls.
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Feb 25, 2023 00:38
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I can't adequately explain why but the idea of planning where the wires go and cutting the runs and conduits is satisfying as gently caress.
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Feb 25, 2023 00:51
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absolutely agree and look out for a few future posts involving my trunking
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Actually building a house is amazing. Who cares about a few cock ups. I’m a little confused by the timeline of this thread so forgive me if you’ve already gone over this but— How long has this project actually been going on? Do you have a full-time job outside of building your house? Paying somebody else to redo my house took way too long and was exhausting enough. Can’t imagine building one from the ground up myself.
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Nice Those first few pics where it is muddy and misty as poo poo strike me as extremely UK.JPG
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Actually building a house is amazing. Who cares about a few cock ups. I’m a little confused by the timeline of this thread so forgive me if you’ve already gone over this but— Never built a house but I've started finally doing some stuff to my house now, mainly because we had a roof leak through the junction of roof slope and an old unused chimney (which has since been removed by proper roofers). The leak meant that my kitchen ceiling got all soggy and I had to rip out a big chunk of plasterboard and replace it. So I did that, put new plasterboard in, taped it, mudded with quickset plaster and then skimmed the whole lot and.... it worked. Pretty well. I had to skim an area of about 7 feet square, to get it to all even out. Took me like 2 weeks of doing a little at a time, slow and steady but the end result was a success. A year later there are a couple of slight cracks showing in a couple of small places but I actually think they might be where the *original* tape was poo poo, not the stuff I did - maybe I should have taken off some of the original tape and redone it but I didn't see any of it get wet originally. IDK. In any case fixing it should be a small and fairly easy job. Anyway, point is, I was intimidated as poo poo starting off, especially with plastering a ceiling before ever having done a wall (which seems a lot easier) but I watched a few youtube videos and thought "ah gently caress it, if it goes too badly I'll just pay someone to come and fix it" and once you get over that mental hurdle everything becomes a lot easier. None of this poo poo is *actually* difficult, it's just knowing what you need to do to meet regs/best practice/not gently caress up. Finding the information and figuring out how to apply the different rules and stuff is the hardest part with most stuff. The work itself can be tiring, fiddly, generally unpleasant, but it's usually not difficult in terms of like, you have to have worked at it for years to be able to do a good job of it. I guess there are things that are like that, like uhhh proper stonemasonry? But mostly if you're building a fairly normal house, you can figure out most stuff yourself. Even if you have to scrap some stuff 'cause it's gone wrong and redo it, you'll probably save money over having someone else do it, and it's really satisfying to have done stuff yourself. Also just generally my DIY skills have been greatly helped by contractors in Canada (where I moved ~4 years ago, from the UK) being ridiculously expensive. Now I've done that job of plastering and that, I'm way more likely to look at other stuff in/around the house and say "yeah I'll have a go". I could see myself building a house if I had the money and time.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
I see where you went wrong here, you shouldn't have tried to pay a british builder's merchant in dollars.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Actually building a house is amazing. Who cares about a few cock ups. I’m a little confused by the timeline of this thread so forgive me if you’ve already gone over this but— Oh yeah, for the record, I think OP gets an undue amount of poo poo, but he takes it well, and it's all in good fun. I'm impressed by the whole undertaking.
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Slugworth posted:Oh yeah, for the record, I think OP gets an undue amount of poo poo, but he takes it well, and it's all in good fun. I'm impressed by the whole undertaking. If you'd seen his posting in other threads you probably wouldn't think it's an undue amount.
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99 is the best poster on these forums.
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Careful Ratty, you'll get him permabanned.
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WhatEvil posted:If you'd seen his posting in other threads you probably wouldn't think it's an undue amount. Eh, I'm just interested in his posting here. I'm impressed by his undertaking and progress, though I sometimes moan and think "what are you doing that for".
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goatface posted:Careful Ratty, you'll get him permabanned. I got 99 probes but a ban ain't one.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Insulation is solely for the ceilings. Walls are going to be directly plastered to avoid horrible dot and dab. I don't understand it? You lose room area, air tightness is poo poo. Its rubbish. I'm not sure its even cheap? So my blockwork walls will be directly plastered to like 8ish(probably more) mm of a pre plaster stuff then a skim of plaster. We had a 6mm ish "parge coat" on the blockwork which the plasterers did with a spray hose. Took them 2 days for the whole house. That was just for airtightness though and we've got dot&dab on top. The parge coat probably wouldn't give you the flatness you'd want if you were going to plaster directly on it though.
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Endjinneer posted:We had a 6mm ish "parge coat" on the blockwork which the plasterers did with a spray hose. Took them 2 days for the whole house. That was just for airtightness though and we've got dot&dab on top. The parge coat probably wouldn't give you the flatness you'd want if you were going to plaster directly on it though. I didn't mean insulation there which I'm sure you gathered. But yeah the plasterer I am hoping to engage said similar. This was the response I got from him. my potential plasterer posted:Certainly happy to take a look. My only concern would be plastering onto thermalite blocks. You can’t skim directly onto them as it dries the plaster too quick and would all crack/fall off (so not much good to anyone! )Usually thermalites would be boarded first but it’s possible to skim them all with Hardwall first before skimming with Multi Finish. This is a time consuming (and therefore costly) way of doing it but would need to be done if you don’t want plasterboard on the walls. So basically. loads of money and gently caress those bloody thermalite blocks. Or I just have plasterboard. So need to get an actual quote from him and price it up versus plasterboard and decide how much thickness I'm likely to lose either way. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Feb 26, 2023 |
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Slugworth posted:Oh yeah, for the record, I think OP gets an undue amount of poo poo, but he takes it well, and it's all in good fun. I'm impressed by the whole undertaking. Hands down the best joke I've seen on these forums in 22 years.
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Feb 26, 2023 22:53
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turn on your monitor
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If you hate dot and dab you can just batten the walls and then screw up the boards, but it is a lot more time consuming and there is the risk you drive a screw into your nice fresh conduit...
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CancerCakes posted:If you hate dot and dab you can just batten the walls and then screw up the boards, but it is a lot more time consuming and there is the risk you drive a screw into your nice fresh conduit... Yeah but I lose as much depth if not more with batten than dot and dab. And also my shite blocks don't take screws nicely. The aims are airtightness / minimal loss of room space to wall thickness / actual achievability / cost Roughly in that order
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Embrace the porosity and do the whole lot in fibre-reinforced lime.
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Thin steel plates held up by magnets sunk into the blocks?
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