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Khanstant posted:Draft/Sealed IRL cost 15-30, but you keep and own the cards. I also have a friend I got into it recently and she did one pre-release and sold her cards and has done some other limited events and done the same kind of just recycling the first purchase back into itself. Oh for sure. I have no qualms about paying that in real life, both because of the value of what you can pull and of course that it supports whoever is hosting the event. Arena is just bumming me out because they built a really great interface for a digital version of it... but then locked it away unless you give them money bags. Don't get the feel goods from supporting the event host, the cards are effectively worthless despite what the shiney animations tell you, and it sounds like it costs so much to get playsets of anything that that's also basically off the table unless you're Musk and have $44 billion to burn. Best I can describe the feeling (that I'm sure is a common one) is if Mario 64 was free, but you can only play a new level once a week - or if you paid money for that experience. I understand why they're doing it, but what a shame it is. CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Mar 7, 2023 15:09
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Well, Atraxa isn't in the hellqueue yet, right now it gets matched up against literally everything. you could use an uncommon commander with all commons in the deck and get matched against atraxa. Kenrith is generally regarded as the worst 5-color commander. Go-Shintai kinda straddles the line, its fair enough to get matched against non-hellqueue decks, though if you're getting matched against it, you probably know what you're doing, or you made a really bad deck for a really good commander. I'm going to guess you're playing a popular 3 color commander like Kethis or Muldrotha or Yarok
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Mar 7, 2023 15:12
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arena is generally cheaper to play than paper magic; the loss of being able to pick up a few dozen bad cards for pennies is more than offset by not having to spend hundreds of dollars on playsets of the best cards in the formats obviously if you're one of the people who think they can resell their expensive paper cards and make back the money you spent on them you're going to dislike not being able to cash out on arena -- but I've never thought that was a very realistic option the way things have been going in mtg in my experience over the past few years.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:22
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Arena does get better the more enfranchised you get. I came in at the start and bought the starter bundle and the 50 boosters for the first two ravnica sets. Now I have enough gems to get the pass and enough gold that I can convert to gems even with my terrible win rates in draft. It does help that I have a comfort deck in both historic and explorer so I don't need to craft new decks each release. I don't think I would have gotten into magic if arena was just a reskinned modo.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:37
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The only player that really loses out is the sort that wants to take the bad rares and mythics that nobody plays and tries to brew decks around them. It's a very expensive endeavor on Arena.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:48
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Jabor posted:The only player that really loses out is the sort that wants to take the bad rares and mythics that nobody plays and tries to brew decks around them. It's a very expensive endeavor on Arena. it me  I have the werewolf precon and am at least pretty happy tinkering on just improving the default decks for now.
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Mar 7, 2023 16:27
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Oh for sure. I have no qualms about paying that in real life, both because of the value of what you can pull and of course that it supports whoever is hosting the event. Ohh I know the feeling well, and I have a lesser version of that feeling for the paper version and is why I tried to avoid it for so long, but I also love cards games so here I am lol. I think I might be less annoyed with Arena and it's crappy business model if there were at least some half-rear end social features. I never feel like I'm playing somebody else in Arena, in paper it's fun to lose, you can chat with the people around you, it's a fun time win or lose, but in Arena losing is not fun in the same way, and with the limited communication it ends up being someone mad or offended and roping you to waste a tiny bit of your time to express their discontent. Just a bad vibe inherent to competitive online games to some extent, especially when it's a game where one person is rewarded and the other kinda wastes their time. F2P is the worst business model, which is impressive because the "gamble for random game parts" racket was already extra.
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Mar 7, 2023 17:11
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Jabor posted:The only player that really loses out is the sort that wants to take the bad rares and mythics that nobody plays and tries to brew decks around them. It's a very expensive endeavor on Arena. those are at least really easy to pick up while drafting, thankfully. less so if you don't play a lot of limited, but I always encourage everyone to at least get a handful of drafts in every set just for the experience edit: modo shows why there's no chat features on arena (for people not on your friends list). imagine the person roping you also spamming slurs at you as well the whole time. I've even gotten a friend request from someone just to insult me (and I still don't know how they figured out how to get my tag on arena) flatluigi fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Mar 7, 2023 17:16
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Yeah I've been online before. I get it and that's why anonymous online competitive magic matches will never be able to hold a candle to paper, except I guess if you only ever played competitive constructed formats where everything is too intense and win focused for socializing anyway. None of the people I play with Magic keep up Arena accounts so can't speak of playing with a friend on voice or cam hits the spot or not. Really, I'd never moan about lack of social features if they at least had something like an FNM where you're committed to the time (or can always concede and leave technically) for ~4 hours and draft with an actual pod and card pool.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:47
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I go through spurts of playing on MODO a lot (basically whenever Vintage Cube is up) and I don’t really get flamed too much beyond the occasional “wow nice top deck fucker” stuff. It’s probably still better for WotC to just keep Arena comms off and avoid the hassle entirely but the MtG population is way less toxic than a lot of other communities IME.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:50
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Jabor posted:What deck are you playing? Judgy Fucker posted:Are you also playing a 5-color deck, by chance? A Moose posted:I'm going to guess you're playing a popular 3 color commander like Kethis or Muldrotha or Yarok Gallia of the Endless Dance Saheeli, Sublime Artificer Grolnok, the Omnivore Queza, Augur of Agonies and Ilharg, the Raze-Boar I’ve never seen anyone else play any of them.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:51
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I cannot imagine the kind of person who gets mad playing Vintage cube because even if my opponent wins through absolute nonsense I get to watch some insanity happen which is really the point of vintage cube anywy
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Mar 7, 2023 18:53
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flatluigi posted:I've even gotten a friend request from someone just to insult me (and I still don't know how they figured out how to get my tag on arena) That's some real dedication, you've gotta go digging around in the game log to pull that up.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:00
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Much more likely to get a hello out of someone with a weird/cool/original deck. People that enjoy magic just for the sake of playing rather than solely focused on winning. A reminder that this game doesn’t have to be stressful.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:01
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Khanstant posted:(or can always concede and leave technically) What? You can concede and walk away from Arena any time you want.
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they're saying they want something on arena where you have to play for several hours straight uninterrupted, like a draft pod at a fnm fwiw you can get that if you're in the right discord communities, but i doubt for several reasons it'd be ever implemented on arena proper.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:44
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Yeah that's probably the better route. It's mostly weeks I can't attend FNM, where I still kind of have that time carved out on my head and itchy to play. Drafting on Arena normally ain't the same. How do you actually set up a draft on Arena with specific pod of people, is that possible?
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Mar 7, 2023 20:25
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Khanstant posted:Yeah that's probably the better route. It's mostly weeks I can't attend FNM, where I still kind of have that time carved out on my head and itchy to play. Drafting on Arena normally ain't the same. How do you actually set up a draft on Arena with specific pod of people, is that possible? sure just pick them from your Friends list
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Mar 7, 2023 20:39
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Khanstant posted:Yeah that's probably the better route. It's mostly weeks I can't attend FNM, where I still kind of have that time carved out on my head and itchy to play. Drafting on Arena normally ain't the same. How do you actually set up a draft on Arena with specific pod of people, is that possible? You don't get the cards, but you can use Draftsim
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Mar 7, 2023 20:43
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With careful timing you can get a few people into the same draft, (they you save the deck and do private matches) but practically speaking for a full pod you need to run the draft off-site in a simulator and import the decks back to arena and set up private matches, for which everyone needs good enough collections or wildcards to burn.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:47
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Personally, I love Arena. I just play drafts once or twice a week, use the drafts to do my dailys, and between winning a bit and playing a couple games a day, I can draft forever. And if I do this consistently enough, I can play Standard for free as well.
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Mar 7, 2023 20:59
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Yeah at the end of the day, I get to play way more magic than I ever would with paper, while spending way less.
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Oh dang, that's what I feared but then thought was solved with the friends list. Welp, another thing that would be nice to have in Arena, host and stage a draft for invited people. The companion app can do it haha. Actually... That's something they could monetize since I assume players would still need to pay a draft fee of some sort. Streamers or YouTubers and others could host their own drafts and draw in 7+ other people into dropping currency for that draft. Plus friend and play groups who might wanna have an online game together in lieu of in person. I know I could rope together enough people for this theoretical arena draft, but I do not know enough people to go through any extra work or offapp tools to draft.
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Thom Yorke raps posted:Personally, I love Arena. I just play drafts once or twice a week, use the drafts to do my dailys, and between winning a bit and playing a couple games a day, I can draft forever. And if I do this consistently enough, I can play Standard for free as well. Yeah this is cool and pretty good. I kept up with it for a while and eventually learned I just don't like playing online it turns out. I need the personal interaction I think.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah this is cool and pretty good. I kept up with it for a while and eventually learned I just don't like playing online it turns out. I need the personal interaction I think. Yeah that's where I ended up too, just no replacing the face to face interaction even if it's not always perfect
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Weird Pumpkin posted:Yeah that's where I ended up too, just no replacing the face to face interaction even if it's not always perfect Yeah, in person I usually have fun playing competitively even if I’m losing, because there’s the aspect of meeting cool people and bullshitting to go with it. It’s just not the same when xGokuBallz69x is spamming “good game” at you and you can only glare at your own screen.
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What a great card name
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I got my Compleat Edition bundle today and holy poo poo those oil slick raised foil lands are nice looking. My mythics weren't anything special, just the scepter and the 3RRR dragon, but I'm pretty happy with it as a collector of stupid bullshit card treatments.
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Rinkles posted:What a great card name If the hearse is a-rockin', don't bother blockin'
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Shouldn't have trample, having a rando be able to block the whole thing would be extremely on brand.
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Vidmaster posted:I got my Compleat Edition bundle today and holy poo poo those oil slick raised foil lands are nice looking. My mythics weren't anything special, just the scepter and the 3RRR dragon, but I'm pretty happy with it as a collector of stupid bullshit card treatments. Mine was cancelled because I ordered early enough to lock it in at like $85 and oh weird the seller didn't get their full allocation geeze guess they'll have to cancel! I mean maybe they did actually get shafted, but I'm skeptical.
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Was that card printed before the Crew keyword or was it a thematic choice to better represent a deceased couple filling the carriage?
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As a seller who gets allocations, I can tell you that yes, everybody got shafted. Being told that by an Amazon seller versus an lgs makes it feel more sus for sure, but they really did severely cut back on the distributions they'd initially suggested
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Khanstant posted:Was that card printed before the Crew keyword or was it a thematic choice to better represent a deceased couple filling the carriage? After, there are a couple of cards in the past few years that play around with non-crew ways of turning on vehicles. Dermotaxi and Weatherlight Compleated are two that I remember.
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sit on my Facebook posted:As a seller who gets allocations, I can tell you that yes, everybody got shafted. Being told that by an Amazon seller versus an lgs makes it feel more sus for sure, but they really did severely cut back on the distributions they'd initially suggested As a seller, what in your opinion is the best way of letting WotC know how lovely the low allocation/high price is? I'm all for calling out sellers that jack up the price after the fact but if stores aren't getting enough to satisfy demand I can logically understand the high prices even if I think it's scummy. Obviously not buying is the first thing but that doesn't really let WotC know why I'm not buying.
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Khanstant posted:Was that card printed before the Crew keyword or was it a thematic choice to better represent a deceased couple filling the carriage? Crew's from Kaladesh, 7 years old this summer
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Crew's from Kaladesh, 7 years old this summer no? Crew is brand new, I remember my group not liking it and nobody plays it, must have been like last year, has to be
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MasterBuilder posted:As a seller, what in your opinion is the best way of letting WotC know how lovely the low allocation/high price is? I'm all for calling out sellers that jack up the price after the fact but if stores aren't getting enough to satisfy demand I can logically understand the high prices even if I think it's scummy. Obviously not buying is the first thing but that doesn't really let WotC know why I'm not buying. There's not really a great answer to this I'm afraid. Talking to your lgs owner, who likely interfaces with wotc often, direct emails, or the customer feedback surveys are about all you've got. But, in this case the restricted allocation is a feature, not a bug. Limited-print collectible items are a tale as old as time, and WoTC is absolutely doing it on purpose
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Khanstant posted:Was that card printed before the Crew keyword or was it a thematic choice to better represent a deceased couple filling the carriage? Crew uses numerical values, so you can only do crew costs based on a total power of creatures crewing the vehicle. Which means you can't do "Crew, tap two creatures" so the templating they use for when there are additional crew costs (ie, two creatures, or creatures with certain qualities) is this wordier version.
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