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Considering Stella Vegapunk doesn't recognize the intruder, that pretty much rules out any of the Vegapunk satellites as being the traitor. Also, given the weaponry and angle of the shot, I'm guessing the infiltrator is actually Van Augur or one of the Blackbeard Pirates here to make a surprise appearance. They're whole shtick is maximizing their Devil Fruit advantage.
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Yeah same, I've avoided a rewatch since I remember Nia's whole fate made me mad enough to teleport to Japan to punch the writer in the jaw so I'm hesitant. It was sad, but I felt it fit. Though Simon definitely could have just bent reality over his knee one more time. I always felt like Yoko was the one who got the real short end of the stick. Probably because she was there the whole series while Nia was mostly there just long enough to start the true war.
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Mar 10, 2023 03:47
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That panel of Shaka getting shot in the head feels so viscerally violent for One Piece, holy poo poo. But hey, at least they have plenty of spare brain tissue lying around.
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Mar 10, 2023 03:49
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Who was the fourth emperor that Shanks knocked off for the place, if anyone?
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Considering Stella Vegapunk doesn't recognize the intruder, that pretty much rules out any of the Vegapunk satellites as being the traitor. Or it could be Pythagoras's headless body. We know the traitor is someone who is opposing the government in some way- they used the island defenses to imprisoned CP agents- and also has the authority to order around the seraphim. The first bit rules out Saturn or the other Gorosei, and the seraphim orders rule out anyone below Vegapunk. There has to be a Vegapunk doing nefarious stuff. But there could still be multiple things happening at once. Edit: Wait a minute! Atlas is suspicious at this point! The frontier dome went down as soon as she was brought up when she was "getting her face replaced" she was totally unaccounted for at that time. And now, once again, she's the only one unaccounted for! She also got a lot more panel time than the others, with Luffy meeting and befriending her personally. She also likes destroying things a lot. And she probably wants to get back at CP0 for loving with her. No idea why she's having the Seraphim take out everyone else, but... she's the one with the best opportunity to be responsible for all this. Okay, my guess is now officially changed to Atlas. I never would have suspected her, but I can't see anyone else being responsible for all this. Except Pythagoras's headless body. Eiba fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Mar 10, 2023 04:19
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Who was the fourth emperor that Shanks knocked off for the place, if anyone? Shanks was an Emperor by the time the concept was introduced, and we don't know anything about any Emperors before Shanks/Whitebeard/Kaido/Mom
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Mar 10, 2023 04:27
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Atlas is too huge to be sneaking around. She’s Big Mom sized
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Waffleman_ posted:Shanks was an Emperor by the time the concept was introduced, and we don't know anything about any Emperors before Shanks/Whitebeard/Kaido/Mom Actually that makes me curious, did the "Emperors" exist before Roger? My (fuzzy) understanding of the timeline is:
So was Roger an Emperor before becoming King of the Pirates? He and Whitebeard at least were considered roughly equals before the latter. Shanks was still a kid and Reyleigh basically quietly retired after Roger's death. I suppose it's possible there were only 3 Emperors until Shanks reached a point that he could stand toe-to-toe with the others, in kind of the same way Luffy was briefly considered the "Fifth Emperor"? Maybe Rocks was the first and singular "Emperor" until Roger took him out?
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I had always been under the impression that the Emperors exist as a power structure that replaced Roger's presence as King when he died, and that prior to Roger there was no real structure to piracy. No king, no major powers beyond some pirate factions rising up among others. I don't know if the manga actually supports this though, it was just my impression.
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That does make a lot of sense, yeah.
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One thing to keep in mind is that "emperor" is not the original term. It's "Yonkou" which is literally "4emperor". There being four of them is part of the title. "Emperor" is only used by the translators because there's no cool way to say 4emperor in English. It doesn't seem like there should be a reason there have to be four, considering they're just powerful pirates, not official positions, but talking about anything but a 4emperor would not be recognizably talking about the same category of person.  kind of made a joke about Luffy being the Gokou (5emperor) at one point but it didn't really stick.It's interesting that Shanks is the odd one out of the original Emperors who isn't a former member of Rocks, but I would guess that the term was coined after he was powerful enough to rival them and there just happened to be four on that level at that time. Just a guess. I would have assumed it was just a media term, but Morgans wasn't able to change it, and Lucci's standing orders affected how he interacted with Luffy based purely on this new title, so it seems to be an official government designation for some reason, even though that doesn't entirely make sense.
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The reason there's four is the reason there's always four in anime, it's the Heavenly Kings
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good chap, the questions are only piling up further my nonsense theory: it's vegapunk/stella from the past/future
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Libra posted:That panel of Shaka getting shot in the head feels so viscerally violent for One Piece, holy poo poo. Yeah, I think since we are in the One Piece endgame now, all bets are off. Anyone can die, people can get graphically maimed on-screen, etc. Some real Game of Thrones poo poo incoming.
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It was Rocks, Shiki and Roger as the big crews back then
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oh this is embarrassing, turns out there was one more page TCB didn't get so they had to update the chapter. Here's the real final page of the chapter
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Really sloppy of them to miss such a key page
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Kild posted:It was Rocks, Shiki and Roger as the big crews back then Shiki was a part of Rocks
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Libra posted:That panel of Shaka getting shot in the head feels so viscerally violent for One Piece, holy poo poo. the same thing happens in the very first chapter of the manga
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Eiba posted:
Atlas explicitly talking about how easy it is to replace her parts immediately put her high on the list for me; also the vegapunk with the least actually going on wrt the whole emergency situation (aside from york) That said, whoever it is has been kidnapping cipher pol agents for months so just getting their face blown off can't be the sole reason
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according to the ace novels (which weren't written by oda but i'd assume details like this were at least approved as to not wildly contradict canon), roger/big mom/shiki/whitebeard were the most powerful pirates during roger's peak, then kaidou became known as one of the most powerful pirates around the time roger was executed and shiki was captured. obviously that leaves room for someone to have been considered an emperor after roger's death but before shanks became one more recently, but i doubt we'll ever hear much about them.
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MorningMoon posted:oh this is embarrassing, turns out there was one more page TCB didn't get so they had to update the chapter. Here's the real final page of the chapter You joke but showing up out of nowhere and ganking a dude is exactly the kind of thing Don Krieg, the king of the pirates would do.
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I don't want to live in a world without Bisoromi Bear-sama
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hatty posted:Atlas is too huge to be sneaking around. She’s Big Mom sized If Lucky Roux can get the drop on a guy then anyone can
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I'm inclined to limit suspects to people who'd fire a regular sized gun based on the scene, but nothing actually prevents it being Atlas with the worlds smallest derringer either because it's One Piece. Comedy answer is it's Stussy somehow, because she was already a crime boss, but actually a government assassin, but actually a secret Vegapunk asset. Whats one more layer?
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Wellwinds posted:Atlas explicitly talking about how easy it is to replace her parts immediately put her high on the list for me; also the vegapunk with the least actually going on wrt the whole emergency situation (aside from york) The face swapping is also an interesting potential hint. It might be cool if she literally put on another face for her role as villain.
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Caidin posted:I'm inclined to limit suspects to people who'd fire a regular sized gun based on the scene, but nothing actually prevents it being Atlas with the worlds smallest derringer either because it's One Piece. I am going to implode if the impostor is actually S(t)uss
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But that wouldn't explain who's been leaking Vegapunk's research to the WG.
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It's the Blackbeard Pirates. Devon is like the only person who could imitate an Elder or Vegapunk to give those orders. The shooter was Van Augur, which is why his footsteps at the end of the chapter have a weird sound effect - he wears tap shoes.
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HerraS posted:Shiki was a part of Rocks Oh drat, I missed that.
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Tolth posted:It's the Blackbeard Pirates. Devon is like the only person who could imitate an Elder or Vegapunk to give those orders. The shooter was Van Augur, which is why his footsteps at the end of the chapter have a weird sound effect - he wears tap shoes. Lafitte is the one that wears tap shoes. Plus... Eh, it'd be kinda weird for at least the latter, who happens to have been last seen at the fight with the Heart Pirates in a different stretch of ocean to suddenly factor into a long term complicated infiltration and sabotage of Vegapunks digs.
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The fact that all these CP-0 agents have been imprisoned for months kind of implies that the infiltrator has to have been someone who's been on the island for that period of time and can control who is going where doesn't it? I think it's either a Doflamingo seraphim who is acting out on his own initiative and has figured out a way to break free of Vegapunk's influence, or it's the Pythagoras body scenario that people have speculated on before.. The blackbeard pirates don't make any sense to me in this context unless they are working with the turncoat Vegapunk I guess. **And I mean, the more I think about it the concept of an evil Doflamingo clone is something I don't care for since why should the clone have the same personality and beliefs as it's original? The clone doesn't have the same history as Doflamingo nor was it effectively raised to be evil by Trebol so why can't the Doflamingo seraphim be a really sweet guy?  I'm pulling for a Vegapunk traitor being the villain here
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Caidin posted:Lafitte is the one that wears tap shoes. Plus... Eh, it'd be kinda weird for at least the latter, who happens to have been last seen at the fight with the Heart Pirates in a different stretch of ocean to suddenly factor into a long term complicated infiltration and sabotage of Vegapunks digs. Van Augur does have the warp fruit, though. Depending on its limits and capabilities, it might be possible for him and Devon could get over to Egghead in time to give orders to the Seraphim. Someone HAS to have been on Egghead for a while in order to kidnap the CP agents. In addition to Lafitte, Shiryu, Avalo Pizarro, and Kuzan have been MIA from recent events showcasing the Blackbeard Pirates (Kuzan helped Van Auger kidnap Pudding but I think that was a while ago, in-narrative). And Sanjuan Wolf but he seems unlikely due to his size. Shiryu can become invisible. Lafitte & Pizarro both used guns to kill Whitebeard. Bit of a stretch maybe, but Kuzan might have been the one leaking info to the Marines. There's also a 10th Titanic Captain that we've yet to see. After seeing the power of the Seraphim firsthand at Amazon Lilly, maybe Blackbeard sent some of his crew to Egghead to infiltrate the place and find out their weaknesses?
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Starsfan posted:
We actually have sort of an answer to this which is lineage factor. Boa’s clone acts like her. The other 3 are cool cucumbers all the time so it’s hard to tell with them.
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Eiba posted:Thinking back to getting her face blown off- She was told not to engage with CP0 but she went right after them anyway. She's hot headed and aggressive enough to have captured all the previous CP agents on her own initiative. This theory would be funny to me if it were true, since one of the first things Atlas says is that she's gonna go around the island and wreck poo poo. I just like the idea of her openly declaring to everyone that she's been causing trouble and plotting everyone's downfall and everyone's just been ignoring it
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