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Don’t we see her grave at the end?
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Mar 12, 2023 23:12
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I don't think so, the end of the movie is Shanks's ship and the Thousand Sunny sailing away from each other. To me it seemed pretty clear that she was dead though.
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Mar 12, 2023 23:13
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Yeah, most likely, but I still feel like they left enough rope there that they could go "actually no" just in case.
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Mar 12, 2023 23:30
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No one dies in one piece
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Mar 12, 2023 23:54
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I really feel like she (Film Red) probably survived. The movie gives all the emotional weight to the death in the moment, as Oda often does, but if she's actually dead that's too sad for no reason. I don't think there's any real chance of her showing up again, so I feel the ambiguity is to make us sad without making Oda too sad for having a character he clearly likes die. Honestly, my biggest issue with Film Red is how badly Uta had to be "punished" by the narrative for her ideals. She wanted to make a hosed up world a better place. Yeah, her plan was crazy, but Luffy's plan is also (apparently) crazy. There's a lot of parallels between Uta and Luffy. Can you imagine a narrative where Luffy is going too far and needs to reign it in and be reasonable? What kind of story is that for One Piece? To be cynical about it, it's a story for women in the world of One Piece. It seemed kind of meaningful that the female Luffy who uses singing instead of punching was portrayed as being crazy and extreme. But perhaps I've become overly sensitive to this kinda stuff after Dressrossa. I actually liked the movie quite a bit overall, but if she had to actually die to make up for trying to improve the world in the wrong way, that would be a really unsatisfying story to me.
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Mar 12, 2023 23:57
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Thematically she should be dead but unfortunately she's far too marketable for my cynical rear end to believe it.
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Mar 13, 2023 00:05
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Has anyone died off screen in One Piece? Every actual death, either in flashback or current event, has been extremely "yeah, that dude's dead". You either die in an explosion to prevent your son from killing you via tea poison, or you live to have a cover story where you visit your own grave. I think the closest person to having an off screen death stick was Ace's mom, but she's also firmly in the declaratory "Oh, they're super dead" column with everyone other than Saul we met in Robin's flashback.
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Mar 13, 2023 00:22
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Absalom
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Mar 13, 2023 00:24
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this is them having left with Uta  I think it's intention is pretty clear, however it's absolutely because that death has the most impact in that moment, and Oda loves having his cake and eating it too. Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, most likely, but I still feel like they left enough rope there that they could go "actually no" just in case. Ryaomon posted:Thematically she should be dead but unfortunately she's far too marketable for my cynical rear end to believe it. I think she'll stay dead but I can't disagree with these posts. Blu Ray and OST CD sales might reach the tipping point where actually she's alive and marries Luffy and you can buy their wedding cake at a Toei cafe for one billion yen
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Mar 13, 2023 00:50
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For what it is worth, Uta is in a similar situation to Shiki as far as canon. The character exists, the movie events did not happen. Remember she had a bunch of panels in the manga about how she wrote her music.
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Mar 13, 2023 01:46
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Given the character's deserved popularity and the current trajectory of the story, I wouldn't be surprised if she appears in a more canonical capacity sooner rather than later.
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Mar 13, 2023 01:54
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I mean we are currently in a chapter where (spoilers for late readers I guess) Shaka just received extra ventilation to his brain and quite a number of readers don't think he's actually dead yet. So I say all bets are off on Uta until further notice.
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Mar 13, 2023 01:55
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I forget, how much involvement did Oda personally have in Film Red?
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Mar 13, 2023 02:01
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Lord_Magmar posted:For what it is worth, Uta is in a similar situation to Shiki as far as canon. The character exists, the movie events did not happen. I'm not worried about canon myself one way or another- it's probably not going to affect or inform the ongoing plot of the manga, but since Oda wrote it it's true enough to the characterization of the people involved and the world. I'm fine with that. No reason to get too concerned about how "real" it is.
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Mar 13, 2023 02:01
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He animated it himself between chapter 999 and 1000
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Mar 13, 2023 02:04
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Larryb posted:I forget, how much involvement did Oda personally have in Film Red? Oda is the executive producer, character designer, and also script reviewer of the film. The script for the film was developed by Oda, Gorō Taniguchi (the director), and Tsutomu Kuroiwa (the screenwriter)
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Mar 13, 2023 02:07
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Upsidads posted:He animated it himself between chapter 999 and 1000 Assistant: Can your body take this stress? Oda: It's fine, I'll just smoke even MORE cigarettes!
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Julias posted:Oda is the executive producer, character designer, and also script reviewer of the film. The script for the film was developed by Oda, Gorō Taniguchi (the director), and Tsutomu Kuroiwa (the screenwriter) I think this is about as much involvement as he's had in each movie after Strong World.
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Mar 13, 2023 02:17
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Uta made a single panel appearance in the story when Shanks dropped by Wano so the character is def canon
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Bleck posted:Given the character's deserved popularity and the current trajectory of the story, I wouldn't be surprised if she appears in a more canonical capacity sooner rather than later. The epilogue of One Piece will have Brooke and Uta doing a world tour with Laboon, the singing whale.
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Mar 13, 2023 03:32
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i just realized that weevil always has to ask for and receive specific clearance from bukkin before he can really do anything, which seems to point to him being a whitebeard clone after all and not a purely biological child and he works like the seraphim do with permissions
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Mar 13, 2023 07:52
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I think weevil has whitebeards will somehow I also think s-bear or whatever has Kuma's will
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Mar 13, 2023 07:59
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Sounds like One Piece needs better lawyers if kids are just running around with their dead dads' wills
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Mar 13, 2023 08:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDujar7lyA
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Mar 13, 2023 10:42
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Isnt it kind of weird that the Stella vegapunk is still alive? If the traitor/villain here actually wanted to kill Vegapunk they could have already, but they're keeping him captive instead. Either their goal isn't to kill Vegapunk, or there's an unknown reason as to why they can't yet. This makes it hard for me to believe the idea that it's Imu or Saturn or someone working directly for the World Government
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Mar 13, 2023 13:17
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Maybe Punk Records has become sentient goIing full HAL and killing the Stella might cut off its information Flow or kill it entirely
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Paper Lion posted:i just realized that weevil always has to ask for and receive specific clearance from bukkin before he can really do anything, which seems to point to him being a whitebeard clone after all and not a purely biological child and he works like the seraphim do with permissions Would be funnier if he was just a huge mama's boy.
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mabels big day posted:Isnt it kind of weird that the Stella vegapunk is still alive? If the traitor/villain here actually wanted to kill Vegapunk they could have already, but they're keeping him captive instead. Either their goal isn't to kill Vegapunk, or there's an unknown reason as to why they can't yet. This makes it hard for me to believe the idea that it's Imu or Saturn or someone working directly for the World Government I mean, it's weird that several Cipher Pol squads are also alive in the makeshift jail. Which does lean towards evidence for some sort of AI rebellion that just can't get past some of the Vegapunk robotic laws.
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Mar 13, 2023 15:59
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maybe it's some sort of misguided attempt to protect the main Vegapunk, as someone figured that hanging out with Luffy was the most dangerous thing they could do
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Mar 13, 2023 16:04
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I said it before, but Punk Records would have a vested interest in keeping the Punks on the island since it requires them to hook up to it to get new info. Of course I'd also say it would have a vested interest inkeeping the Punks alive but maybe it just wants the Stella. (Also for 1/6th of the smartest guy in the world, not having somebody to watch your back while you wander off to the Super Secret Basement is kinda dumb)
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Mar 13, 2023 16:18
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Vegapunk is a character with 20 INT but 7 CHA and WIS and the various replicas reflect this
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i'll admit, i don't have any idea who the traitor could be. it'd have to be someone we've seen before, or else the reveal would be weak and toothless. i suppose one of the satellites could have faked their incapacitation, except oda already did that one in water 7. it could be a deliberate callback, especially since lucci and kaku are here, but that doesn't seem like oda to me.
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Mar 13, 2023 16:30
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I'll throw my chips on Punk Records going rogue and creating its own satellites (or even its own Seraphim) to take out the cameras and bean Shaka through the dome.
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Mar 13, 2023 16:37
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Excelzior posted:Vegapunk is a character with 20 INT but 7 CHA and WIS and the various replicas reflect this
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Mar 13, 2023 16:43
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There are spoilers out already and there’s a big reveal so stay off Twitter if you care
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Mar 13, 2023 17:09
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Posts like that just make me want to look at spoilers even more
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Mar 13, 2023 17:11
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I'm sorry to report the spoiler of "No break next week."
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Mar 13, 2023 17:32
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Biggest spoil in ONE PIECE HISTORY??
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The traitor is Bofa D. Eeznuts
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