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Fellatio del Toro posted:would it be foolish to expect mortise and tenon, bridle, and cross lap joints to hold up with just some Titebond III on a piece that is going to stay outside year round in an area where temps vary by 100 degrees throughout the year? are there better options for joints that aren't too difficult or glue that I should be considering, or should I just bite the bullet and add some screws? yes you can totally do all-wood construction outdoors but it's a lot of drawbores and tougher mechanical joints that don't rely on adhesives so much. I'd study how people work with green wood a bit, it's a lot of the same principles A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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Fellatio del Toro posted:so I'm wanting to build some cedar outdoor furniture. looking around online for inspiration and most of the stuff I'm finding is a bit on the "screw some 2x4s together" side of basic. I'd like to practice some proper joinery so I'm trying to design something myself Remember that outdoors wood movement is much much worse than indoor work and plan accordingly.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:so I'm wanting to build some cedar outdoor furniture. looking around online for inspiration and most of the stuff I'm finding is a bit on the "screw some 2x4s together" side of basic. I'd like to practice some proper joinery so I'm trying to design something myself No shame in screws. Make sure they're stainless. In fact, just make some Norm chairs and get a feel for the whole thing: https://www.popularwoodworking.com/adirondack-chair-plans/ I've got 5 of those chairs rough cut in cedar, just need to prioritize getting them out from under my workbench and made into final form.
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I'm just gonna add that cedar can be a little troubling to work with. I tried cutting dovetails into cedar once and after I'd glued six back on and the seventh snapped I was like gently caress this. There is very little strength in the lignin, basically, so plan your joints accordingly. If you can find cedar with tight grain that is fully dry that's best, and go for larger chonky joinery rather than delicate fine joinery, at least as a beginner. For outdoor patio furniture that's probably fine, just... don't do what I did and try to build a slim little box with dovetail joints lol.
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meatpimp posted:No shame in screws. Make sure they're stainless. In fact, just make some Norm chairs and get a feel for the whole thing: https://www.popularwoodworking.com/adirondack-chair-plans/ Assuming they are comfy? Saw some that had a lumbar curve in the back that looked like they would be great, but not sure if it would impact much on an Adirondack.
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Leperflesh posted:I'm just gonna add that cedar can be a little troubling to work with. I tried cutting dovetails into cedar once and after I'd glued six back on and the seventh snapped I was like gently caress this. There is very little strength in the lignin, basically, so plan your joints accordingly. If you can find cedar with tight grain that is fully dry that's best, and go for larger chonky joinery rather than delicate fine joinery, at least as a beginner. For outdoor patio furniture that's probably fine, just... don't do what I did and try to build a slim little box with dovetail joints lol. At some point in this thread someone mentioned getting tear out in cedar while hand sanding; an apt description which you've reinforced. I spent a good chunk of the day jointing, planing and gluing up some cherry for my next big project. While I don't love all the noise and having to empty the dust collector a bunch of times (4 bags), it still is enjoyable embarking on the beginning of a big project. I got some nice grain matches in the glue ups, and soon I'll be cutting some dovetails. I'm building a Monticello stacking bookcase as my next project, I'll be adding some sliding doors (with marquetry!) to it and hoping to tie it in with the media console and other bookshelf I built recently. Wish me luck.
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Breaking down and milling stock at the beginning of a project is one of may favorite parts. Bringing order to chaos and starting to see how things will look is fun.
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at first the thing that got me excited was putting all the pieces for something together in an elaborate clamping setup, but now the thing that gets me excited is when you use the jointer and you can feel a little suction between the boards because of how perfectly flat they are 
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Bob Mundon posted:Assuming they are comfy? Saw some that had a lumbar curve in the back that looked like they would be great, but not sure if it would impact much on an Adirondack. Surprisingly comfy. Good angles and a very relaxing chair. I made this one a couple years ago as proof of concept, right now it's disassembled and I'll be using those pieces as templates for the cedar ones (and I've got a second stack of cedar if I want to make another batch). Notes on the below build: ignore the mis-drilled hole in the left armrest. Rookie mistake corrected with a proper plug. Also, I countersunk and screwed and glued all of the seat slats and the backrest -- next time it'll just be some brad nails along with glue. Quicker and no less solid. And make sure to use stainless bolts. It's about $10/chair for stainless fasteners.
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I built cabinets for my bathrooms out of cedar a couple years ago. It is not a particularly pleasurable material to work with. Cedar is very light and rot-resistant, but extremely prone to tear out and not particularly strong. I think it also tends to be oily, so glue-up can be tricky. Many pages recommend wiping your joints with acetone before gluing them together. The airborne dust can be pretty bad for you. Moreso than other popular woods. I made it hard on myself by insisting on box joints for all the corners and all half-laps for the face frames and Shaker-style doors. I think the cabinets turned out pretty nice though.  
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Breaking down and milling stock at the beginning of a project is one of may favorite parts. Bringing order to chaos and starting to see how things will look is fun. And the Lord said "Let there be sawdust in abundance. And He looked upon it and smiled, for it was not He that would have to sweep up."
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The worst thing about dimensioning is thinking “I’m sweeping up and burn bagging $20 right now “
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Stultus Maximus posted:The worst thing about dimensioning is thinking “I’m sweeping up and burn bagging $20 right now “ Nah, you're adding $20 of value to the boards by removing the bits that you can't use. That's why you pay more for pre-dimensioned lumber, after all.
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The worst thing about dimensioning is when I don’t notice I’m getting blisters from my jack plane until it’s too late
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Bloody posted:The worst thing about dimensioning is when I don’t notice I’m getting blisters from my jack plane until it’s too late I took a rasp and file to my plane and saw totes and it's much better now.
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I was getting fed up with the end of my 2.5" (nominal) shop vac hose slipping off the (idiotically) tapered end of my Dust Deputy bucket-top cyclone. The only reason I didn't buy the "Dust Deputy 2.5" improved cyclone was because I didn't want to send more money to the clowns that shipped the original with a tapered port on it. Then I got a 3D printer. I found a model on Thingiverse that is shaped to fit the double taper on the original Dust Deputy and printed it. Light shone down upon my garage from in the heavens. After installing the 3D printed adapter I could tug on the hose and my wheeled shop vac would come toward me rather than just popping the end of the hose off the cyclone. Bless you linsomniac, whoever you are. I have also printed a little insert to improve the already-good dust collection on my track saw. And some little pieces to hang up some battery chargers that didn't have wall-mounting keyholes cut into them.
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I've got 15m of Japanese cypress (hinoki) coming in a few weeks. Primarily I wanted to make one of those little shower stools, but there will be heaps left over. What else would be a good use for it? A little bucket would be obvious but I don't think it would get much use... 
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This is a dumb and specific question, but are there any good sources online for reliably matching stain colors? I've been using GF pecan oil stain, but I have a thing I want to use a gel stain on and their in-store displays are not exactly reliable--the "nutmeg" I got came out not just darker than the example chips, but a completely different color.
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tracecomplete posted:This is a dumb and specific question, but are there any good sources online for reliably matching stain colors? I've been using GF pecan oil stain, but I have a thing I want to use a gel stain on and their in-store displays are not exactly reliable--the "nutmeg" I got came out not just darker than the example chips, but a completely different color. Lol, nope. Stain colors seem to vary even within the same manufacturer between different types of stain and different woods obviously take them very differently. If you have a friendly and skilled local paint store they may be able to mix something more consistently for you. E: also make sure you stir stain up really, really well. Stains that rely heavily on pigments can come out waaaay different if they aren’t well mixed. Kaiser Schnitzel fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Mar 14, 2023 |
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Hypnolobster posted:https://i.imgur.com/6fSkorW.mp4 I mean, you clearly have a saw and what's one less floor joist in the grand scheme of things? Meow Meow Meow posted:I built a cherry bedframe. I had built the headboard about five years ago and bolted it to a basic steel frame. I figured it was time to build the rest of the bed. There's a bit of contrast between the headboard and the footboard due to the wood darkening for the past few years, but that should even out with time. Baking soda does the job quick. I also have a cherry headboard that's been waiting for the rest of the bed for a couple years.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Lol, nope. Stain colors seem to vary even within the same manufacturer between different types of stain and different woods obviously take them very differently. If you have a friendly and skilled local paint store they may be able to mix something more consistently for you. Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. I don't exactly want to buy another three cans to find that none of them match, so maybe I will use oil stain, but...argh. And I do not have a friendly and skilled local paint store. I have a Woodcraft. 
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Granite Octopus posted:I've got 15m of Japanese cypress (hinoki) coming in a few weeks. Primarily I wanted to make one of those little shower stools, but there will be heaps left over. What else would be a good use for it? A little bucket would be obvious but I don't think it would get much use... I wish cedar that grew here looked like that. Build what you need. Bathroom medicine cabinet? Idk what your house needs. fakedit- you said cypress didn't you. Derpin...
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Mr. Mambold posted:I wish cedar that grew here looked like that. Build what you need. Bathroom medicine cabinet? Idk what your house needs. Well actually it’s close American.cousins are Port Orford Cedar and Atlantic white cedar and the genus it’s in is often called the false cypresses so…. The wood that gets called cypress in the US isn’t actually a true cypress (though it is in the cypress family, along with most of the woods that get called cedar in the US-the ‘true’ cedars being old-world and in the pine family), except it is because people call it that.
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I say this every time wood classification comes up, but gently caress you, Douglas. Fake-rear end fir.
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To bring this back, I spotted a set of Pexto dividers in a massive pile of tools getting sold online. Asked the guy if I could pop by and grab those separate. He didn’t want anything for them if they were getting used, but threw $10 for coffee money at him anyway and walked away like a bandit for our purposes.    The Pexto’s that need a nut and a tightening screw. They’re cleaner than my work set, so that was my main goal.  And the tiny ones.  Schwing!
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tracecomplete posted:This is a dumb and specific question, but are there any good sources online for reliably matching stain colors? I've been using GF pecan oil stain, but I have a thing I want to use a gel stain on and their in-store displays are not exactly reliable--the "nutmeg" I got came out not just darker than the example chips, but a completely different color. You gotta do your own testing, stain is squirrely. Save an off-cut from your project for finish testing, even if you're not doing something that's adding a specific color because maybe you think "hm, what if I try <X> instead..." when you get to the finish step. Thankfully stain isn't THAT expensive, and a little goes a long way.
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drat, even the half pint cans of GF stains are pretty pricy. when I was trying to match some of the trim in our house I went around to a few places, bought a bunch of the little tiny cans, and then spent a few hours experimenting with various mixtures and techniques until I worked out something decent
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In general you get a more consistent color between different boards/species if you layer multiple stains so you might try that. This is especially true with dyes, but also true with pigment stains. You can cut oil stain with mineral spirits to lighten them so it doesn’t get too dark. You might find a first coat of very diluted provincial and then 3/4 strength pecan or w/e may give better results than just slapping a coat of pecan on.
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Sockington posted:To bring this back, I spotted a set of Pexto dividers in a massive pile of tools getting sold online. Asked the guy if I could pop by and grab those separate. He didn’t want anything for them if they were getting used, but threw $10 for coffee money at him anyway and walked away like a bandit for our purposes. ooooo The last little ones were owned by karl jung, obviously yes I know it's carl jung hush I hope you can find original parts for the Pexto! e. actually carl jung's grandfather was karl jung so it's definitely him
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Sockington posted:To bring this back, I spotted a set of Pexto dividers in a massive pile of tools getting sold online. Asked the guy if I could pop by and grab those separate. He didn’t want anything for them if they were getting used, but threw $10 for coffee money at him anyway and walked away like a bandit for our purposes. That's a nice score. I have some old Moore & Wright small dividers I picked up a while ago, nice tools.
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Baby level post compared to much of the other stuff itt but, My  walnut tables and shelves, which were very simple projects consisting of cut, sand, finish, and screw on hardware, turned out very nicely. Mainly posting to say I switched from water to oil based polyurethane and it is a million times nicer, oil 4evaThe entryway shelf:   The table: 
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My house came with leftover cans of paint and stain, including a 1/2 pint and quart of stain, one in I think Golden Oak, and the other Colonial maple. It stands to reason that the actual stain applied to a lot of my woodwork is some combination of those two, but I'll be damned if I'm ready to make that leap. I've actually got a few spots in the house where I need to stain some oak and put it up to match the trim, and I'm just kind of paralyzed by doing that color matching.
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FISHMANPET posted:My house came with leftover cans of paint and stain, including a 1/2 pint and quart of stain, one in I think Golden Oak, and the other Colonial maple. It stands to reason that the actual stain applied to a lot of my woodwork is some combination of those two, but I'll be damned if I'm ready to make that leap. I've actually got a few spots in the house where I need to stain some oak and put it up to match the trim, and I'm just kind of paralyzed by doing that color matching. If your hardwood runs into closets, do your testing in the back corner of a closet. We did that and we have a plank in one closet that is stained different from the rest of the house. e. wait you're just staining replacement trim? Just do some test pieces. You'll probably manage "close enough" and the light will fall on trim slightly differently than flooring so you can get away with it if it's just very close.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Breaking down and milling stock at the beginning of a project is one of may favorite parts. Bringing order to chaos and starting to see how things will look is fun. can be fun except on days like today, when I cut into the last of my cherry stock and find out that it's more of a thin shell of clear wood wrapped around a wormhole pinata
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Leperflesh posted:If your hardwood runs into closets, do your testing in the back corner of a closet. We did that and we have a plank in one closet that is stained different from the rest of the house. It won't be hard but this is the kind of open-ended ambiguous task that is a perfect foil to my ADHD, so instead I just ignore it forever.
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i just follow the wisdom of my ancestors on interior color matching and unscrew lightbulbs until it looks good
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alnilam posted:Mainly posting to say I switched from water to oil based polyurethane and it is a million times nicer, oil 4eva Which one? General Finishes' water based poly is amazing.
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FISHMANPET posted:It won't be hard but this is the kind of open-ended ambiguous task that is a perfect foil to my ADHD, so instead I just ignore it forever. Ohhhh, yeah I got you, I have projects I started 20 years ago still sitting around unfinished so I feel that completely!
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Wallet posted:Which one? General Finishes' water based poly is amazing. Oh I'm working with what they have at the tru value down the block so I'm comparing Minwax water based, which was okay but a little milky and bubbly and hard to get even, vs Minwax premium oil based, which looks warm and amazing and went on like a dream
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Leperflesh posted:Ohhhh, yeah I got you, I have projects I started 20 years ago still sitting around unfinished so I feel that completely! A small house is the only thing saving me from this.
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