2023 NFL Draft Thread

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kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Right I'm kind of just talking about the first round.

I just don't want to reach for a slot receiver or tackle project at 31. Take DL or BPA.

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 23:27

ShakeZula: Jun 17, 2003; Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

wandler20 posted:

Anyone planning on running the Goon Draft?

I was planning on posting the thread this week, in fact

# ? Mar 21, 2023 01:35

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A FAIR TRADE FOR THE THIRD OVERALL (Arizona)???

List of teams hypothetically trading up:

4TH OVRL: Indy Colts
5TH OVRL: Seattle Hawks
7TH OVRL: Vegas Raiders
10TH OVRL: Philly Eagles

# ? Mar 21, 2023 02:25

Pontius Pilate: Jul 25, 2006; Crucify, Whale, Crucify

The qbs alone add enough drama to make it interesting imo even if it would�ve been more exciting if the bears had waited until draft day for shenanigans. But we may still yet get some!

# ? Mar 21, 2023 02:43

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

ShakeZula posted:

I was planning on posting the thread this week, in fact

Excellent

# ? Mar 21, 2023 03:39

Forrest on Fire: Nov 23, 2012

Ornery and Hornery posted:

WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A FAIR TRADE FOR THE THIRD OVERALL (Arizona)???

List of teams hypothetically trading up:

4TH OVRL: Indy Colts

5TH OVRL: Seattle Hawks

7TH OVRL: Vegas Raiders

10TH OVRL: Philly Eagles

They need to give the Cardinals a first, a third, and they have to cover weight room expenses in the summertime for the next seven years

# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:15

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

I think every year we have posts about drafts being bad only for there to be All pro quality dudes come out all around the first two rounds.

The players will be fine. Draftniks kinda get that whole perfection is the enemy of progress kinda thing with prospects.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:49

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

Last year and the previous year were said to be strong drafts.

Not really like this year. Some years are just bad and they see it coming.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:50

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Last year the QB's in the draft were abysmal and said this year would be much better.

It does look to be a much better crop, but at the same time, there's no Lawrence level prospect and truth be told, I'm not sure how any of these 4 match up to the guys from 2021.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:55

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

Forrest on Fire posted:

They need to give the Cardinals a first, a third, and they have to cover weight room expenses in the summertime for the next seven years

Maybe they can provide the players with a year of Jimmy John's too

# ? Mar 21, 2023 06:34

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

BlindSite posted:

I think every year we have posts about drafts being bad only for there to be All pro quality dudes come out all around the first two rounds.

The players will be fine. Draftniks kinda get that whole perfection is the enemy of progress kinda thing with prospects.

It�s usually the opposite: draftniks try and overhype the draft class because that drives clicks and content engagement. This class has 2 elite qb prospects, 2 gamble qb prospects, and then 1-3 elite defensive prospects. Then the talent falls off a cliff. You�re right that it�s likely some random dudes outside the top five picks will turn into great players, but overall the prospects in this draft class are relatively weak.

Kalli posted:

Last year the QB's in the draft were abysmal and said this year would be much better.

It does look to be a much better crop, but at the same time, there's no Lawrence level prospect and truth be told, I'm not sure how any of these 4 match up to the guys from 2021.

Lawrence and Fields were v good prospects but Stroud and Young are no slouches. Stroud should have been the second qb - after Lawrence.

I also think it�s kind of dumb to rate qb prospects against generational prospects like Lawrence.

Ornery and Hornery fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 21, 2023

# ? Mar 21, 2023 07:17

Woozie66: Sep 8, 2009; I'll wait for the next era

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Lawrence and Fields were v good prospects but Stroud and Young are no slouches. Stroud should have been the second qb - after Lawrence.

I also think it’s kind of dumb to rate qb prospects against generational prospects like Lawrence.

Last year was the Pickett draft.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 13:11

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Kiper Mock 3.0

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1. Carolina Panthers (via CHI)
C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Welcome to the top of the board, Carolina. The Panthers went big right before free agency, sending a bevy of picks and wide receiver DJ Moore to Chicago for the No. 1 selection. It's a lot to give up, but the trade gives the Panthers their choice of quarterbacks in this class, which they're still working through. If they hit on that passer, they could have a 15-year starter. If they miss? Well, general manager Scott Fitterer and coach Frank Reich likely won't be around to see the end of their pick's tenure. It's a monumental decision for a team that has missed on recent deals for Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold. Which way will Carolina go now?

I'm leaning toward Stroud based on what I'm hearing. He's super accurate, has impressed everyone throughout the pre-draft process and is the ideal size profile of recent Frank Reich quarterbacks. He has the slight edge over Bryce Young based on fit. Carolina added veteran Andy Dalton to guide the rookie, but whoever this quarterback ends up being needs more playmakers around him. Without Moore, its No. 1 receiver now becomes Adam Thielen, who was signed to a deal this week. Laviska Shenault Jr., Terrace Marshall Jr. and running back Miles Sanders are on the roster, but this group is among the league's worst. Thanks to the Christian McCaffrey trade, the Panthers had extra selections -- they still have second- and third-rounders to add players -- but this is not likely to be a team that challenges for a playoff spot in 2023.

2. Houston Texans
Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

I projected a Houston trade up to No. 1 in my previous mock draft, but it seems general manager Nick Caserio and new coach DeMeco Ryan are perfectly OK with staying put and taking a passer here. And really, they could still get their top-rated guy. Throughout the NFL, there is no consensus top quarterback in this class. Some teams like Stroud, some like Young and others have Will Levis (Kentucky) or Anthony Richardson (Florida) atop their boards. This is a fascinating draft, and we're going to have to deal with subterfuge all the way up until April 27.

For the Texans, who are in the early stages of a roster reset, they have to get the face of their franchise. Young can be that guy. No, he doesn't have ideal size, and at 5-foot-10, 204 pounds he's going to become the third under-6-foot signal-caller drafted in Round 1. But turn on the tape and watch him maneuver the pocket, find passing lanes and drop dimes all over the field. He's legit. Houston just traded wideout Brandin Cooks, so Young would have similar issues to Stroud in Carolina, but the Texans have another first-rounder (No. 12) to keep building up their roster.

Projected trade: Indy moves up
Arizona's pick at No. 3 is going to be coveted. It might now be the most important pick in the draft. That's because we know quarterbacks are going to Carolina and Houston at the top of the board, but the Cardinals aren't in the market for a passer. How far are they willing to slide down so a QB-needy team can move up? This scenario might be best for them, because they have to move down only one spot and could still get their choice of the top defenders. Go any farther down, and they won't be so lucky.

I mentioned last month the Mitch Trubisky trade from 2017, when the Bears moved from No. 3 to No. 2 in a deal with the 49ers. Chicago gave up the Nos. 3, 67 and 111 picks along with its third-rounder in the 2018 draft. That's the comp for this move, though as we saw in Carolina's trade up to No. 1, the asking price increases based on the competition. If Las Vegas or Seattle gets involved, Arizona could get much more. I also wouldn't be surprised if Arizona takes this deal down to when it's on the clock on April 27; that's when trading teams will know for sure who's still available.

Indianapolis, meanwhile, has to do something to get its franchise signal-caller. There's no way general manager Chris Ballard likes all four top quarterbacks equally. The Colts might have to give up multiple picks to get their guy.

3. Indianapolis Colts (via mock trade with ARI)
Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

Is it possible Ballard likes either Levis or Anthony Richardson as his top passer in this class? Yes, absolutely. In that case, this could be a win-win deal for both teams. The bottom line is the Colts have a solid roster, but they're not going to win without better quarterback play. Barring a dramatic trade for Lamar Jackson -- which would cost two first-round picks -- they should move up to ensure they get Levis.

Levis, a 6-foot-4 QB with a huge arm who played in a pro-style offense at Kentucky, had an inconsistent 2022 season. He didn't play with elite talent, though, and he forced too many throws at times. Indianapolis has the playmakers to help him out as a rookie. New coach Shane Steichen helped Jalen Hurts take a massive leap for the Eagles, and he should be excited to coach up another high-ceiling player.

4. Arizona Cardinals (via mock trade with IND)
Will Anderson Jr., OLB, Alabama

Once again, no change here from my two previous mock drafts. Anderson is the type of player new coach Jonathan Gannon can build around on defense. He's versatile, productive -- 130 pressures over the past two seasons -- and has the tools to develop into an All-Pro. The problem for Arizona is who plays next to Anderson. J.J. Watt retired, tackle Zach Allen left in free agency and the Cardinals haven't added any D-linemen over the past week. For a defense that struggled with consistency last season, there are still issues here.

This trade down likely would give Arizona the Colts' second- and third-rounders (Nos. 35 and 79) at the very least, giving it a bunch of capital to make upgrades. Now, new general manager Monti Ossenfort has to use that capital wisely -- and hope quarterback Kyler Murray is ready for Week 1.

5. Seattle Seahawks (via DEN)
Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

The finer details of Geno Smith's new contract show it's really only a one-year commitment; Seattle absolutely could take a quarterback here. Think of Alex Smith and Joe Flacco when the Chiefs and Ravens, respectively, drafted Patrick Mahomes (2017) and Lamar Jackson (2018) and essentially used the veterans as one-year bridges to the rookies. Then again, I thought the Seahawks might take a quarterback last year, and coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider decided against it, instead turning their picks into the NFL's best rookie class.

So why Richardson? The upside is so, so high. He's a 6-foot-4, 244-pound signal-caller who can make any throw and who also ran a 4.43-second 40-yard dash at the combine. If he's given time to catch up to the speed of the NFL, he could be a star. This would be a great situation for him, on an offense that has young stars. Plus, the Seahawks have another Round 1 pick at No. 20 -- if any team is in a spot to take a high-risk player, it's them. By the way, four quarterbacks going in the top five picks has never happened before.

6. Detroit Lions (via LAR)
Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

Detroit added veteran corners Cameron Sutton and Emmanuel Moseley and versatile defensive back C.J. Gardner-Johnson in free agency, which likely signals it's going to pass on the top corners with this pick. But did you watch this defense last season? It ranked bottom of the league in most statistical categories, including yards per play allowed (6.2). The Lions have to keep trying to fix it.

The easiest way to do that? Take Carter, who has had a troubled few months. Last week, he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and racing for his alleged role in a Jan. 15 car wreck that killed Georgia offensive lineman Devin Willock and recruiting staffer Chandler LeCroy. He also showed up at his pro day nine pounds heavier than he was at the NFL combine, and he was unable to finish the position drills. He's no longer in the mix to be the No. 1 overall pick. Everything I've heard from people in the league, however, is he won't drop too far -- he likely still will be a top-10 selection. Carter's talent is undeniable, and I could see a team such as the Lions taking him here, filling a position of need.

Detroit, which also owns the No. 18 overall selection, drafted Aidan Hutchinson at No. 2 overall last year and got 9.5 sacks out of him. Carter would be a nice complement to Hutchinson's skill set.

7. Las Vegas Raiders
Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

So, in this scenario, the Raiders don't get any of the top four quarterbacks, forcing them to go with the best prospect available. They added the solid-but-unspectacular Jimmy Garoppolo in free agency, so it's not like they have a void under center as big as the Colts, Texans and Panthers do. They also have a veteran roster, and you could argue they should try to win now.

The player who can most help them win in 2023 is Gonzalez, who ran a blazing 4.38-second 40-yard dash at the combine, backing up what I saw on his 2022 tape. At 6-foot-1, he has outstanding ball skills and elite recovery speed. This is a clear need area for Las Vegas.

8. Atlanta Falcons
Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

The Falcons have been one of the biggest spenders of free agency, doling out deals to safety Jessie Bates and defensive tackle David Onyemata and re-signing offensive tackle Kaleb McGary and edge rusher Lorenzo Carter, among other moves. They also gave Chris Lindstrom a five-year extension, making him the NFL's highest-paid guard, and traded for tight end Jonnu Smith, who thrived in Tennessee under now-Atlanta coach Arthur Smith. Those moves mean this pick could come down to edge rusher or cornerback, and the Falcons will have options.

I thought about Will McDonald IV (Iowa State) and Lukas Van Ness (Iowa), but Witherspoon's ability in coverage might be tough to pass up for a defense that struggled last season. Atlanta could add a great corner to put on the other side of A.J. Terrell. Witherspoon didn't work out at the combine because of a minor injury, so he's going to run in front of NFL teams April 5. That's going to be crucial so we can see if his testing numbers line up with his fantastic 2022 season, when he allowed 3.3 yards per attempt and zero touchdowns as the primary defender in coverage, according to ESPN's game charting.

9. Chicago Bears (via CAR)
Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State

As a reminder, here's what Chicago got from Carolina for surrendering the No. 1 pick and dropping down eight spots:

Wide receiver DJ Moore
Picks Nos. 9 and 61 in April's draft
Carolina's first-round pick in 2024
Carolina's second-round pick in 2025

That's an incredible haul, and the 2024 pick might end up being the best of the bunch. While the Bears could be in play for a defensive lineman here -- particularly if Jalen Carter drops -- I see offensive tackle as their biggest hole after their moves in free agency. They added guard Nate Davis to start on the right side, but are they really trusting Teven Jenkins to lock in the right tackle job? They could have their choice of the class' tackles here. Johnson played both tackle spots and right guard for the Buckeyes, and he already has blocked for quarterback Justin Fields. Chicago needs to keep supporting Fields and get him a stellar lineman with this pick, and it could still address the defense with its two second-round picks (Nos. 53 and 61) and early third-rounder (No. 64).

10. Philadelphia Eagles (via NO)
Peter Skoronski, OT/G, Northwestern

Center Jason Kelce will be back, but the Eagles just lost right guard Isaac Seumalo in free agency. Could they take the prospect some teams consider the best guard in the class? Skoronski excelled at left tackle for the Wildcats, but his arms are slightly shorter than average for tackles (32 1/4 inches), and so he could instead move inside. Philadelphia drafted interior lineman Cam Jurgens in Round 2 last year, so he's the favorite to replace Seumalo, but taking Skoronski would ensure versatility and a competition. The Eagles haven't shied away in previous years from trying to stack strength on strength in the draft.

I also thought about defensive line here, as Adetomiwa Adebawore (Northwestern) or Lukas Van Ness (Iowa) could fit next to 2022 first-rounder Jordan Davis. Fletcher Cox is back for one year, but Javon Hargrave left for a huge deal in San Francisco, so Philadelphia could address the position with its choice at No. 30 overall.

11. Tennessee Titans
Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech

Tennessee has used free agency to bring in Andre Dillard to play left tackle and Daniel Brunskill to compete for one of the guard positions, which means offensive line is less of a need now. And with Johnson and Skoronski off the board in this scenario, the Titans don't have to force a lineman here. That's why I'm in favor of them going after a high-ceiling edge rusher.

Wilson, who is recovering from a broken foot that meant he couldn't work out at the combine, has elite talent in a 6-foot-6, 271-pound frame. He had 14 sacks over the past two seasons for the Red Raiders, showing excellent burst off the line of scrimmage. For a Tennessee team that just cut Bud Dupree and ranked 27th in percentage of sacks per dropback (5.3%) last season, he'd be an ideal fit. I'm not as high on Wilson's tape as other people in the league I trust -- he's too inconsistent -- but his flashes of brilliance as a pass-rusher make him intriguing.

12. Houston Texans (via CLE)
Nolan Smith, OLB, Georgia

Houston had a rough time on both sides of the ball last season. It ranked 32nd in yards per play on offense (4.8) and 26th in yards per play allowed on defense (5.7). With the Texans' first pick, I projected them to take quarterback Bryce Young, so with this one I'm giving them a quarterback for their defense. People in the league rave about Smith's leadership skills, and he was outstanding at the combine. I named him as one of my risers after he ran a 4.39-second 40-yard dash at 238 pounds, and this is right in the range in which he could go.

Smith, who tore his right pectoral muscle in November and missed the rest of the season, could be a foundational player for coach DeMeco Ryans, who is going to mold this defense in his own image. This pick, by the way, comes from the Deshaun Watson trade, and the Texans also own the Browns' first-rounder in 2024.

13. New York Jets
Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia

Will the Jets actually keep this pick? They're going to have to give up something to get quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and it might require a first-round selection. For now, they haven't addressed the tackle position this offseason, and there are questions there. Mekhi Becton will return, but he has played just one game over the past two seasons. Duane Brown will be back, but he turns 38 in August. Max Mitchell started five games at right tackle last season, but he gave up three sacks and was just OK as a run-blocker. General manager Joe Douglas should keep investing in the position.

Jones started 19 games on the left side for the Bulldogs, and he didn't allow a single sack last season. He's still growing at the position, but he has major upside. He could compete with Mitchell at right tackle. Darnell Wright (Tennessee) and Anton Harrison (Oklahoma) are other tackles to watch.

14. New England Patriots
Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

After adding JuJu Smith-Schuster and Mike Gesicki in free agency, the Patriots no longer have to draft a receiver here. That doesn't mean they won't, just that it's no longer a critical void. New offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien has a few playmakers to scheme open for quarterback Mac Jones, who struggled in 2022, finishing 28th in Total QBR (out of 31 qualifiers). This offense should take a step up.

The biggest need now is in the secondary. Jonathan Jones was re-signed and Jack Jones had a really solid rookie season, but the Patriots have to add more corners. Porter is a 6-foot-2 press cornerback whose 4.46-second 40-yard dash at the combine was stellar for his size. He didn't allow any touchdowns in coverage last season. He's physical -- he'll tackle in the run game. I see Porter as a player who could thrive for Bill Belichick's defense.

I almost scratched out my prediction for this pick and slotted in wideout Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Ohio State), who could be a target for a team in this range.

15. Green Bay Packers
Lukas Van Ness, DL, Iowa

Depending on what happens with a potential Aaron Rodgers trade, this could end up being Green Bay's second pick of the top 15. That means the Packers could have two first-round choices in back-to-back years, as they got help on defense with Quay Walker and Devonte Wyatt last April. And while I thought long and hard about a wide receiver or tight end here, this defense still has a ways to go.

Green Bay ranked 28th in both yards per play allowed (5.8) and yards per carry allowed (5.0) last season, and it tied for 27th in sacks (34). A sophomore leap from Wyatt and Rashan Gary's return from a torn ACL in his right knee will be a boost, but a versatile player such as Van Ness would be a great addition. At 6-foot-5, 272 pounds, Van Ness has the flexibility to play tackle and end; he had 13.5 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks last season. Again, there's a lot up in the air about the Packers, but teams always covet edge rushers.

16. Washington Commanders
Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State

Before free agency, Washington had a massive hole at right tackle, but now that spot is filled by former Chiefs lineman Andrew Wylie, who signed a three-year deal last week. I'm not going to rule out the possibility of a tackle here -- left tackle Charles Leno Jr. is 31 and on a reasonable contract through 2024 -- but let's move on to another key area: cornerback.

I'm a huge fan of Forbes, who is rail thin but really fast. He ran a 4.35-second 40-yard dash at the combine but weighed in at 166 pounds, making him the lightest prospect at the position. He's going to get bigger, of course, but some teams will be scared off by his size. The Commanders should capitalize; Forbes is a ball hawk who picked off 14 passes over the past three seasons -- one of those was a pick-six off Will Levis -- and could be an All-Pro player. He has gone up against some of college football's best wideouts and consistently held his own.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers
Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland

Cameron Sutton is out, veteran Patrick Peterson is in, but Pittsburgh's biggest need hasn't changed. It has to get younger -- and faster -- at cornerback. Banks matched Forbes' 40-yard dash time (4.35) at the combine, and he did it 31 pounds heavier (though he measured 6-foot, two inches shorter than he was listed in college). His 2022 tape is one of the best I've seen in this class in terms of man coverage. He can shut down an entire side of the field. He's a fit for Mike Tomlin's defense.

18. Detroit Lions
Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

I got the Lions help along the defensive line at No. 6, and I wouldn't be surprised if they double-dipped here with another pick on defense. That unit was that bad last season. Instead, let's pivot to the other side of the ball. They traded away T.J. Hockenson last fall and used a committee approach to the tight end position, with Brock Wright, James Mitchell and Shane Zylstra each catching at least 11 passes. All three are under contract for 2023, but shouldn't Detroit try to upgrade?

Mayer is the most complete tight end in this class. He's physical as a run-blocker, and he can run seam routes and get open for quarterback Jared Goff. He caught 67 passes for 809 yards and nine touchdowns last season and had 180 catches in his college career. He could be the lead guy in Detroit.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee

Is Tampa Bay rebuilding now that Tom Brady is gone? Its moves don't suggest so, particularly in bringing back veteran linebacker Lavonte David. And with Baker Mayfield set to battle Kyle Trask for the starting quarterback job, maybe the Bucs believe they can win the NFC South again. If that's the case, they need an instant starter at right tackle. Tristan Wirfs is moving over to the left side, so there's a void. The 6-foot-5, 333-pound Wright started 42 games in college, including 27 at right tackle. This would be a move to get new offensive coordinator Dave Canales off to the best start, no matter the quarterback.

If the Bucs really want to get wild, they could take running back Bijan Robinson here. I've had trouble finding the perfect landing spot for him, though I do think he'll go in Round 1.

20. Seattle Seahawks
Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

This was a tough pick for me. It could be a front-seven player; Seattle ranked 27th in yards per carry allowed (4.9) last season, though it added free agent tackle Dre'Mont Jones to help. Edge rushers Will McDonald IV (Iowa State) and Myles Murphy (Clemson) could make sense. I also thought about interior offensive line, but it might be a little too high for guard O'Cyrus Torrence (Florida). So if I'm getting the Seahawks a project quarterback at No. 5, why not add a wideout who could make things easier on offense?

Smith-Njigba has a chance to develop into a true No. 1 receiver. He didn't run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but he looked effortless in the pass-catching drills and led all receivers with a 6.57-second 3-cone time and a 3.93-second short shuttle. A hamstring injury limited him to just five catches last season, but he caught 95 passes for 1,606 yards in 2021. He could be a plug-and-play starter for a team that already features Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. He could alternate reps outside and in the slot.

21. Los Angeles Chargers
Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah

I had been targeting receivers for the Chargers, but let's give them a player who could help in both the pass and run games. Kincaid, who had 106 catches and 16 touchdowns over the past two seasons, is the best "move" tight end in this class. He's a legit playmaker in the pass game. At 6-foot-4, 246 pounds, he could do damage out of the slot or lined up next to a tackle. New offensive coordinator Kellen Moore could scheme up easy targets to Kincaid for quarterback Justin Herbert.

As I've mentioned before, the Chargers' run defense still is an issue, but they could get help there on Day 2.

22. Baltimore Ravens
Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College

Well, I had hoped to have some more clarity about quarterback Lamar Jackson's future by the time I did these predictions, but I'm just going to assume he'll be back in 2023, playing on the franchise tag. And if that's the case, can general manager Eric DeCosta get him some receiving help? A top three wideout group of Rashod Bateman, Devin Duvernay and James Proche isn't good enough.

The dynamic Flowers is a favorite of mine in this class. While some in the NFL see him strictly as a slot receiver, he actually had five touchdowns when lined up outside last season (and seven from the slot). Though he's only 5-foot-9, he could be used everywhere. He forced 25 missed tackles last season, third most in the country for a wideout. He could thrive with Jackson in Baltimore, especially with new coordinator Todd Monken opening up the offense.

23. Minnesota Vikings
Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU

I'm switching gears a bit for the Vikings, as I had projected a cornerback here in my first two mock drafts. They could still go that way, as adding Byron Murphy helps fill their immediate hole. At receiver, though, with Adam Thielen gone, I love the idea of Johnston playing on the other side of Justin Jefferson, helping take defensive backs away. The 6-foot-3 Johnston will be an immediate red zone threat in the NFL, and his skills after the catch mean he will break a bunch of tackles and score long touchdowns. I know K.J. Osborn has earned a bigger role in the Minnesota offense, but there's room for Johnston too.

24. Jacksonville Jaguars
Will McDonald IV, DE, Iowa State

After years of spending big money in free agency, the Jaguars have largely stayed out of the fray this year -- they have stuck to re-signings so far. This young roster is going to grow and improve together, and that's a good thing for Jacksonville fans. There aren't many obvious holes on this depth chart, but the loss of Arden Key in free agency means there are edge-rushing snaps to be had. Enter McDonald, who had a really strong Senior Bowl and showed off great physical attributes at the combine.

At 6-foot-4, 239 pounds, McDonald and Key are actually very similar in size, and both are best when coordinators let them get after quarterbacks. McDonald is an explosive player who had 34 sacks over four college seasons. I expect Travon Walker, the No. 1 overall pick last year, to make a second-season leap -- the Jags' defense could get much better.

25. New York Giants
Jordan Addison, WR, USC

Quarterback Daniel Jones is back on a four-year deal, and the Giants' front office has prioritized playmakers around him. New York has given the franchise tag to running back Saquon Barkley, re-signed wideouts Darius Slayton and Sterling Shepard, traded for tight end Darren Waller and added receiver Parris Campbell on a one-year deal. That's an upgraded depth chart, which also includes promising 2022 second-rounder Wan'Dale Robinson. How about one more?

Addison put up huge numbers for Pitt and USC over the past three seasons, and he could be a plug-and-play starter, getting reps in the slot and outside. This is how the Giants' passing offense can take a big step forward.

26. Dallas Cowboys
Adetomiwa Adebawore, DE, Northwestern

You might remember Adebawore from his performance at the NFL combine, where he ran a 4.49-second 40-yard dash at 282 pounds, putting up the fastest time of any player over 280 pounds at the combine since at least 2006, according to ESPN Stats & Information. I wrote at the time that he was going to rise, and he's likely going in Round 1 now. He wasn't super productive in college -- 9.5 sacks since 2021 -- but his talent is undeniable. Adebawore played about 75% of his snaps at defensive end, but he could move inside at the next level and work as a 3-technique tackle.

For the Cowboys, we know defensive coordinator Dan Quinn values versatility, and Adebawore could get reps all over the line. DeMarcus Lawrence turns 31 this offseason, and they need to keep adding young players to their rotation.

27. Buffalo Bills
Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

I keep coming back to Robinson being perfect for this Bills offense. He could be a security blanket for Josh Allen in the pass game, and he can rip off chunk plays as a ball carrier. He breaks a ton of tackles and has tremendous vision. He's the most complete back in this class. As I've written before, Robinson is a top-10 prospect on my board, but his positional value means he's going to drop into the 20s. I know Buffalo has James Cook and just added Damien Harris on a one-year deal, but Robinson is on another level. This is a team that can afford to target a luxury position in Round 1.

28. Cincinnati Bengals
Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

This makes seven pass-catchers (four receivers, three tight ends) in a nine-pick span. There absolutely could be a run on them in the 20s. The tight end group as a whole is spectacular at the top, but Washington might have the highest ceiling. He wasn't used a ton in the pass game for the Bulldogs, as he had just 45 catches and three scores over three seasons. At 6-foot-7, 264 pounds, he ran a 4.64-second 40-yard dash at the combine, impressing NFL scouts, who think he could be much better at the next level. With Hayden Hurst gone in free agency, this is a clear need area for Cincinnati.

29. New Orleans Saints (via DEN/MIA/SF)
Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson

New Orleans, back in Round 1 after Denver gave up this pick in the deal for coach Sean Payton, is in an interesting spot. It just added quarterback Derek Carr, and it has a talented, veteran roster -- with a few holes. It has tried to plug a few of those holes, notably by turning over the defensive tackle position, adding Khalen Saunders and Nathan Shepherd in free agency. Those two defenders have never played full-time roles, however, so the Saints should add another tackle if Bresee is available. Bresee had a fantastic workout at the combine, making my risers list. He could see the field early and often for this team.

30. Philadelphia Eagles
Calijah Kancey, DT, Pitt

I still see Kancey as the ideal choice here, slotting in next to 2022 first-rounder Jordan Davis for years to come and solidifying the Philadelphia defensive line. General manager Howie Roseman and the Eagles, who have two first-rounders thanks to a deal with with New Orleans last year, believe in investing heavily in the defensive line, so this is a pick to continue the trend.

Kancey had an elite workout at the combine, though he's not going to be perfect for every team. At 6-foot-1, 281 pounds, he needs to go to a team that plays a 4-3 and allows him to penetrate past interior linemen and create chaos at the snap. Keep an eye on safety for this pick, as C.J. Gardner-Johnson and Marcus Epps are both gone.

31. Kansas City Chiefs
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, DE, Kansas State

The Chiefs let JuJu Smith-Schuster leave in free agency, and their wide receiver depth chart looks a little thin. I thought about Jalin Hyatt (Tennessee) as a new deep threat for Patrick Mahomes, but I'm going to trust in Andy Reid's ability to find contributors just about anywhere. That leads me to the edge rushers, and Anudike-Uzomah is a player I really wanted to get in these predictions somewhere.

There's some buzz among NFL teams about Anudike-Uzomah after the combine. He had a great workout there, and he was super productive in college, racking up 19.5 sacks over the past two seasons. Kansas City replaced Frank Clark with Charles Omenihu, so Anudike-Uzomah likely would be a situational pass-rusher as a rookie.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 13:23

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

One of the better fits for Green Bay's historical patterns at physical profiles and is a serious positional need. The tweet is an image of Washington's Instagram showing his travel destination.

quote:

https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1638165765395292162

# ? Mar 21, 2023 14:37

Bumhead: Sep 26, 2022

Thanks for that Mel but respectfully, the Lions taking Carter and a TE is a load of bollocks.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 14:38

Codependent Poster: Oct 20, 2003

lol the Colts would not give up that much to move one spot for Levis

# ? Mar 21, 2023 14:56

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

Woozie66 posted:

Last year was the Pickett draft.

Last year was 2022, with Pickett. Kalli said 2021, with Lawrence and the boys.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 15:07

Woozie66: Sep 8, 2009; I'll wait for the next era

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Last year was 2022, with Pickett. Kalli said 2021, with Lawrence and the boys.

Ah duh, I was only looking at the first part of his post.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 15:11

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Codependent Poster posted:

lol the Colts would not give up that much to move one spot for Levis

Yeah I got a good chuckle when I read hte bit about trading a 2nd and a 3rd to move up one spot. Ballard is not Ryan Pace.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 15:24

Soul Glo: Aug 27, 2003; Just let it shine through

Tennessee is also not likely to take someone coming off an injury. That practice helped bury the last GM and Carthon and Vrabel both have said picking up dudes less injury prone is a priority.

I don�t see them drafting edge first either because they just got Arden Key last week to replace Bud Dupree. They�ve also signed enough OL that it almost makes sense to use the first pick on the best WR available, or even trade up to #3 if they, for some reason, think whoever falls to the Cardinals is The Dude after Tannehill.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 15:33

Codependent Poster: Oct 20, 2003

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Yeah I got a good chuckle when I read hte bit about trading a 2nd and a 3rd to move up one spot. Ballard is not Ryan Pace.

I think they would give a third, but if they give a second it would have to be to swap places or get a lower pick back.

If Stroud is there then maybe they give up more. But not for Levis.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 15:46

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Diva Cupcake posted:

Kiper Mock 3.0

I don't understand how Kiper is suddenly so good at mocks after decades of laughable ones.

Like I love this mock for so many teams. Detroit? Carolina? Minnesota? Chicago? Indy? KC? A+ draft for all.

Hell even the Raiders should do this.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 17:58

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

kiimo posted:

I don't understand how Kiper is suddenly so good at mocks after decades of laughable ones.

I think the Internet has kinda helped with crowdsourcing "reasonable" mocks.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 18:02

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Zero issues with the Chargers drafting Kincaid

# ? Mar 21, 2023 18:05

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

anyone want to post a ton of words about the left tackles in this draft. i want to hear about why this ohio state tackle is so great despite only playing one year at LT and looks like he's constantly too high when run blocking (but maybe thats just his height)

mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 21, 2023

# ? Mar 21, 2023 18:52

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

I am also interested in learning more about the wonderfully large tackles in this draft class

# ? Mar 21, 2023 19:46

TheGreyGhost: Feb 14, 2012; �Go win the Heimlich Trophy!�

mastershakeman posted:

anyone want to post a ton of words about the left tackles in this draft. i want to hear about why this ohio state tackle is so great despite only playing one year at LT and looks like he's constantly too high when run blocking (but maybe thats just his height)

Because he�s literally built in a lab to play LT for a zone heavy team that goes PA where your number 1 goal is �do not let a guy get to your chest so he can push off/redirect�. Like, it�s one thing to win reps up front, but his ability to fix his own positioning mid-rep is the type of thing that objectively just buys you time in the NFL. He�s definitely high on gap runs, but your pad level objectively doesn�t hurt you as badly as a T on outside zone because you�re trying to beat a guy to an edge, not upend him. I think someone who is scheme diverse will probably get annoyed by that, but LTs with his feet and ability to get his hands on guys that quickly don�t grow on trees, even if he gets high on occasion or tries to force two hands when he shouldn�t.

Broderick Jones is fine. He�s less explosive on pass sets and zone steps, but he�s a way better finisher in gap schemes or pin and pull. I think he�s gonna get dogged by dudes with a few good hand counters because he shoots too low on account of Georgia being so much more run happy. He can figure that out with more reps. I think Johnson probably is a better player now and can add 10-15 pounds to anchor better, but Jones is probably a better fit if your offensive meta is about being able to run any blocking scheme you can to keep people from overfitting zone rules.

I don�t get the love of Skoronski at T. Slater was freaky because his size didn�t matter because he always got to his spots in time to get leverage. Skoronski didn�t do that against rushers like Ojabo where guys can beat him to a spot. He�s an elite double team/work upfield guy right now, but I worry a lot that any team can just fit an odd front to his side and make him pick what spot to rush to while making the other guy uncovered. Unlike Slater, he might actually be a G who you stick next to a T who cheats wide and let him maintain your inside pass pro. Alternatively, find a way to put him next to Charles Criss and let him just turn into an evil upfield magnet in the running game.

Anton Harrison will get over drafted because the class is meh and fully a result of the Covid hangover. He has the body type but couldn�t anchor against really bad Big 12 DL consistently and routinely misses hand jabs and kick steps that a starter shouldn�t. Maybe if he gets 10 pounds stronger you get something out of him, but he�s weirdly developmental for a guy where his frame is this good. He doesn�t have like the Penning thing last year where he looks too tall for his weight at times so who knows.

Darnell Wright and Dawand Jones are both high-end RTs who I don�t trust at left because of slower feet and occasional pad level issues when guys go wide. If you get them each 15 pounds lightier, they�re probably all pro caliber guys there.

It�s not that different from the Neal/Cross class honestly. Sewell would be OT1 in this class. Jones and Johnson are on the same caliber as like Ronnie Stanley right now in my mind.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:07

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves?

Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:11

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

EmbryoSteve posted:

Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves?

Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??

The Colts if they want Levis(whyyyy) don't need to move.

I refuse to believe anyone is moving up giving up future firsts to take Will Levis. And neither Texans or Carolina are taking him(if one of them does, then I would then call Arizona and make the deal to ensure I get either Stroud or Young(whoever fell)).

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:20

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

EmbryoSteve posted:

Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves?

Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??

The Colts are not even worth discussing until they get a QB. So yeah I could see it.

If the Seahawks got Richardson and Jaxon Smith-Njigba their offense would be sick. You want to let go of the idea of Richardson throwing to Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DK and Lockett for a pass rush?

I dunno maybe you're right but I'd love to see that.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:20

shirts and skins: Jun 25, 2007; Good morning!

EmbryoSteve posted:

Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves?

Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??

Yeah that made no sense, they just poo poo canned basically their entire defensive interior from last year, I'd have a hard time seeing them not go DI for at least one of those picks

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:21

ShakeZula: Jun 17, 2003; Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

The Colts are more likely to try to trade back than they are to trade up to 3 for Levis. People can scream about the need all they want, but Ballard (for better or worse) absolutely will not force the move if they don't believe in a guy, and if the guy they believe in is Levis then they're probably safe playing the odds that he's still there at 4.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:31

xbilkis: Apr 11, 2005; god qb
me
jay hova

https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1638156378274496515

All he needs is a little more buzz and people are gonna start mocking him to the Bears at 9. Weird that there were a couple of weeks of lag between his crazy combine and his rise up the big boards

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:35

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

xbilkis posted:

https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1638156378274496515

All he needs is a little more buzz and people are gonna start mocking him to the Bears at 9. Weird that there were a couple of weeks of lag between his crazy combine and his rise up the big boards

This is wild to me, like if this dude is a top 15 pick, then Northwestern needs to fire every single one of their Defensive coaches.

The way this dude dominated at the Senior Bowl and at the Combine, what Northwestern did can only be considered a warcrime, with the game tape that dude has.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:37

xbilkis: Apr 11, 2005; god qb
me
jay hova

Yeah it�s pretty funny seeing the tape Twitter film nerds highlight to show his potential because it very much has me going �This is as good as you could find?�

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:44

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

EmbryoSteve posted:

Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves?

Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??

Pass rushers generally don�t contribute significantly their rookie years.

Plus there�s more rush depth throughout the second round than there is WR depth. So they could grab a rusher there.

I don�t necessarily agree with taking that WR at that spot for Seattle but the rationale is sound.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:49

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

shirts and skins posted:

Yeah that made no sense, they just poo poo canned basically their entire defensive interior from last year, I'd have a hard time seeing them not go DI for at least one of those picks

Seattle already signed other, better defensive interior players to replace those departures.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:51

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

xbilkis posted:

Yeah it�s pretty funny seeing the tape Twitter film nerds highlight to show his potential because it very much has me going �This is as good as you could find?�

Any Defensive Coach, is going to look at a dude testing out at "figuratively aaron donald" at the combine is going to get them hot and bothered, and thinking, if we can literally teach him any technique and keep him focused at one position and not move him around the line, he might be a monster.

Whole lotta defensive coaches in draft rooms are going to be banging the table.

Like He was someone I wanted the Bears to trade up in the second round this year to pick up.

I do not know if he's gonna be around in the second round at all now and that's annoying.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 20:52

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Dexo posted:

This is wild to me, like if this dude is a top 15 pick, then Northwestern needs to fire every single one of their Defensive coaches.

The way this dude dominated at the Senior Bowl and at the Combine, what Northwestern did can only be considered a warcrime, with the game tape that dude has.

As someone who does not follow college ball, what did the coaches do thats so bad? Not put the guy in situations where he could excel, then he got put in those situations in the senior bowl and he dominated?

# ? Mar 21, 2023 21:49

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 23:27

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

As someone who does not follow college ball, what did the coaches do thats so bad? Not put the guy in situations where he could excel, then he got put in those situations in the senior bowl and he dominated?

Northwestern moved him all around the line, because he was like their only good defensive player. Because of this he like never got specialized at one position. And thus didn't get a number of reps at what would eventually be his main position in the NFL.

In the Senior Bowl, and at the Combine, he mostly did interior line drills and he looked good.

I'm mostly just making fun of Northwestern being absolute garbage, the coaches probably just did what they thought would be the best use of the only good defensive lineman they had.

# ? Mar 21, 2023 21:52

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