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Right I'm kind of just talking about the first round. I just don't want to reach for a slot receiver or tackle project at 31. Take DL or BPA.
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wandler20 posted:Anyone planning on running the Goon Draft? I was planning on posting the thread this week, in fact
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WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A FAIR TRADE FOR THE THIRD OVERALL (Arizona)??? List of teams hypothetically trading up:
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 02:25 |
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The qbs alone add enough drama to make it interesting imo even if it would’ve been more exciting if the bears had waited until draft day for shenanigans. But we may still yet get some!
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ShakeZula posted:I was planning on posting the thread this week, in fact Excellent
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Ornery and Hornery posted:WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A FAIR TRADE FOR THE THIRD OVERALL (Arizona)??? They need to give the Cardinals a first, a third, and they have to cover weight room expenses in the summertime for the next seven years
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:15 |
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I think every year we have posts about drafts being bad only for there to be All pro quality dudes come out all around the first two rounds. The players will be fine. Draftniks kinda get that whole perfection is the enemy of progress kinda thing with prospects.
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:49 |
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Last year and the previous year were said to be strong drafts. Not really like this year. Some years are just bad and they see it coming.
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 04:50 |
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Last year the QB's in the draft were abysmal and said this year would be much better. It does look to be a much better crop, but at the same time, there's no Lawrence level prospect and truth be told, I'm not sure how any of these 4 match up to the guys from 2021.
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Forrest on Fire posted:They need to give the Cardinals a first, a third, and they have to cover weight room expenses in the summertime for the next seven years Maybe they can provide the players with a year of Jimmy John's too
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BlindSite posted:I think every year we have posts about drafts being bad only for there to be All pro quality dudes come out all around the first two rounds. It’s usually the opposite: draftniks try and overhype the draft class because that drives clicks and content engagement. This class has 2 elite qb prospects, 2 gamble qb prospects, and then 1-3 elite defensive prospects. Then the talent falls off a cliff. You’re right that it’s likely some random dudes outside the top five picks will turn into great players, but overall the prospects in this draft class are relatively weak. Kalli posted:Last year the QB's in the draft were abysmal and said this year would be much better. Lawrence and Fields were v good prospects but Stroud and Young are no slouches. Stroud should have been the second qb - after Lawrence. I also think it’s kind of dumb to rate qb prospects against generational prospects like Lawrence. Ornery and Hornery fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 21, 2023 |
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Lawrence and Fields were v good prospects but Stroud and Young are no slouches. Stroud should have been the second qb - after Lawrence. Last year was the Pickett draft.
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Kiper Mock 3.0quote:1. Carolina Panthers (via CHI)
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One of the better fits for Green Bay's historical patterns at physical profiles and is a serious positional need. The tweet is an image of Washington's Instagram showing his travel destination.
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Thanks for that Mel but respectfully, the Lions taking Carter and a TE is a load of bollocks.
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lol the Colts would not give up that much to move one spot for Levis
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Woozie66 posted:Last year was the Pickett draft. Last year was 2022, with Pickett. Kalli said 2021, with Lawrence and the boys.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Last year was 2022, with Pickett. Kalli said 2021, with Lawrence and the boys. Ah duh, I was only looking at the first part of his post.
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Codependent Poster posted:lol the Colts would not give up that much to move one spot for Levis
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Tennessee is also not likely to take someone coming off an injury. That practice helped bury the last GM and Carthon and Vrabel both have said picking up dudes less injury prone is a priority. I don’t see them drafting edge first either because they just got Arden Key last week to replace Bud Dupree. They’ve also signed enough OL that it almost makes sense to use the first pick on the best WR available, or even trade up to #3 if they, for some reason, think whoever falls to the Cardinals is The Dude after Tannehill.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yeah I got a good chuckle when I read hte bit about trading a 2nd and a 3rd to move up one spot. Ballard is not Ryan Pace. I think they would give a third, but if they give a second it would have to be to swap places or get a lower pick back. If Stroud is there then maybe they give up more. But not for Levis.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Kiper Mock 3.0 I don't understand how Kiper is suddenly so good at mocks after decades of laughable ones. Like I love this mock for so many teams. Detroit? Carolina? Minnesota? Chicago? Indy? KC? A+ draft for all. Hell even the Raiders should do this.
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kiimo posted:I don't understand how Kiper is suddenly so good at mocks after decades of laughable ones. I think the Internet has kinda helped with crowdsourcing "reasonable" mocks.
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 18:02 |
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Zero issues with the Chargers drafting Kincaid
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# ? Mar 21, 2023 18:05 |
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anyone want to post a ton of words about the left tackles in this draft. i want to hear about why this ohio state tackle is so great despite only playing one year at LT and looks like he's constantly too high when run blocking (but maybe thats just his height)
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I am also interested in learning more about the wonderfully large tackles in this draft class
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mastershakeman posted:anyone want to post a ton of words about the left tackles in this draft. i want to hear about why this ohio state tackle is so great despite only playing one year at LT and looks like he's constantly too high when run blocking (but maybe thats just his height) Because he’s literally built in a lab to play LT for a zone heavy team that goes PA where your number 1 goal is “do not let a guy get to your chest so he can push off/redirect”. Like, it’s one thing to win reps up front, but his ability to fix his own positioning mid-rep is the type of thing that objectively just buys you time in the NFL. He’s definitely high on gap runs, but your pad level objectively doesn’t hurt you as badly as a T on outside zone because you’re trying to beat a guy to an edge, not upend him. I think someone who is scheme diverse will probably get annoyed by that, but LTs with his feet and ability to get his hands on guys that quickly don’t grow on trees, even if he gets high on occasion or tries to force two hands when he shouldn’t. Broderick Jones is fine. He’s less explosive on pass sets and zone steps, but he’s a way better finisher in gap schemes or pin and pull. I think he’s gonna get dogged by dudes with a few good hand counters because he shoots too low on account of Georgia being so much more run happy. He can figure that out with more reps. I think Johnson probably is a better player now and can add 10-15 pounds to anchor better, but Jones is probably a better fit if your offensive meta is about being able to run any blocking scheme you can to keep people from overfitting zone rules. I don’t get the love of Skoronski at T. Slater was freaky because his size didn’t matter because he always got to his spots in time to get leverage. Skoronski didn’t do that against rushers like Ojabo where guys can beat him to a spot. He’s an elite double team/work upfield guy right now, but I worry a lot that any team can just fit an odd front to his side and make him pick what spot to rush to while making the other guy uncovered. Unlike Slater, he might actually be a G who you stick next to a T who cheats wide and let him maintain your inside pass pro. Alternatively, find a way to put him next to Charles Criss and let him just turn into an evil upfield magnet in the running game. Anton Harrison will get over drafted because the class is meh and fully a result of the Covid hangover. He has the body type but couldn’t anchor against really bad Big 12 DL consistently and routinely misses hand jabs and kick steps that a starter shouldn’t. Maybe if he gets 10 pounds stronger you get something out of him, but he’s weirdly developmental for a guy where his frame is this good. He doesn’t have like the Penning thing last year where he looks too tall for his weight at times so who knows. Darnell Wright and Dawand Jones are both high-end RTs who I don’t trust at left because of slower feet and occasional pad level issues when guys go wide. If you get them each 15 pounds lightier, they’re probably all pro caliber guys there. It’s not that different from the Neal/Cross class honestly. Sewell would be OT1 in this class. Jones and Johnson are on the same caliber as like Ronnie Stanley right now in my mind.
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Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves? Also a WR at 20 for the hawks when they need pass rush NOW NOW NOW??
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EmbryoSteve posted:Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves? The Colts if they want Levis(whyyyy) don't need to move. I refuse to believe anyone is moving up giving up future firsts to take Will Levis. And neither Texans or Carolina are taking him(if one of them does, then I would then call Arizona and make the deal to ensure I get either Stroud or Young(whoever fell)).
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EmbryoSteve posted:Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves? The Colts are not even worth discussing until they get a QB. So yeah I could see it. If the Seahawks got Richardson and Jaxon Smith-Njigba their offense would be sick. You want to let go of the idea of Richardson throwing to Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DK and Lockett for a pass rush? I dunno maybe you're right but I'd love to see that.
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EmbryoSteve posted:Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves? Yeah that made no sense, they just poo poo canned basically their entire defensive interior from last year, I'd have a hard time seeing them not go DI for at least one of those picks
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The Colts are more likely to try to trade back than they are to trade up to 3 for Levis. People can scream about the need all they want, but Ballard (for better or worse) absolutely will not force the move if they don't believe in a guy, and if the guy they believe in is Levis then they're probably safe playing the odds that he's still there at 4.
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https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1638156378274496515 All he needs is a little more buzz and people are gonna start mocking him to the Bears at 9. Weird that there were a couple of weeks of lag between his crazy combine and his rise up the big boards
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xbilkis posted:https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1638156378274496515 This is wild to me, like if this dude is a top 15 pick, then Northwestern needs to fire every single one of their Defensive coaches. The way this dude dominated at the Senior Bowl and at the Combine, what Northwestern did can only be considered a warcrime, with the game tape that dude has.
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Yeah it’s pretty funny seeing the tape Twitter film nerds highlight to show his potential because it very much has me going “This is as good as you could find?”
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EmbryoSteve posted:Do people really think the colts are all in on Levis enough to Bears themselves? Pass rushers generally don’t contribute significantly their rookie years. Plus there’s more rush depth throughout the second round than there is WR depth. So they could grab a rusher there. I don’t necessarily agree with taking that WR at that spot for Seattle but the rationale is sound.
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shirts and skins posted:Yeah that made no sense, they just poo poo canned basically their entire defensive interior from last year, I'd have a hard time seeing them not go DI for at least one of those picks Seattle already signed other, better defensive interior players to replace those departures.
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xbilkis posted:Yeah it’s pretty funny seeing the tape Twitter film nerds highlight to show his potential because it very much has me going “This is as good as you could find?” Any Defensive Coach, is going to look at a dude testing out at "figuratively aaron donald" at the combine is going to get them hot and bothered, and thinking, if we can literally teach him any technique and keep him focused at one position and not move him around the line, he might be a monster. Whole lotta defensive coaches in draft rooms are going to be banging the table. Like He was someone I wanted the Bears to trade up in the second round this year to pick up. I do not know if he's gonna be around in the second round at all now and that's annoying.
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Dexo posted:This is wild to me, like if this dude is a top 15 pick, then Northwestern needs to fire every single one of their Defensive coaches.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:As someone who does not follow college ball, what did the coaches do thats so bad? Not put the guy in situations where he could excel, then he got put in those situations in the senior bowl and he dominated? Northwestern moved him all around the line, because he was like their only good defensive player. Because of this he like never got specialized at one position. And thus didn't get a number of reps at what would eventually be his main position in the NFL. In the Senior Bowl, and at the Combine, he mostly did interior line drills and he looked good. I'm mostly just making fun of Northwestern being absolute garbage, the coaches probably just did what they thought would be the best use of the only good defensive lineman they had.
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