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zetamind2000 posted:No it was jellyfish
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Small Brain - Part 3 is the best Big Brain - Part 4 is the best Bigger Brain - Part 7 is the best Galaxy Brain - Part 3 is the best
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Mar 22, 2023 00:53
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Nirvana brain: part 1 is the best
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Mar 22, 2023 01:05
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Part 2 rules and is my fav part idgaf how small that makes my brain
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Mar 22, 2023 02:33
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Joseph is definitely the best jojo i think we can all agree
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Mar 22, 2023 02:39
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So far part 9 is the best but I'll admit it's a little early to call
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Mar 22, 2023 03:17
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https://twitter.com/ChloeImagine/status/1638254935425839104?s=20
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No Dignity posted:If Araki wanted to do the sights of Italy he should have had it be an ongoing treasure hunt or something. Structuring the entire story as a series of fetch quests delivered out by NPC questgivers without any overriding purpose just makes the core of the story kinda hollow, nothing flows into the next thing and alot of the disgressions end up being pointless (like remember they have to go to Sardinia to find out Diavolo's identity, did that help *at all*?). There's still some cool fights and character scenes but because the grander plot they all tie into is just so filmsy it ends up being way less than the sum of its parts They have long term goals for decent chunks of the story, but the smaller story beats are absolutely ‘do task for NPC questgiver’. The intention was probably to keep things mysterious and suddenly introduce new elements as they reached each new location, but in practice it felt like they got railroaded about the place and things just happened arbitrarily. And I think the overall story structure... just doesn’t work. Team Bruno spends half the story fighting off the rogue assassination squad whilst following Diavolo’s orders... then right as they’re about to complete their mission they suddenly turn traitor themselves and spend the second half of the story fighting off Diavolo loyalists. It’s like they’re deliberately trying to get into as many fights as possible for as little gain as possible. I realise that Diavolo trying to kill Trish kinda caused (the already wavering) Bruno to flip, but that setup itself doesn’t make any sense. Diavolo could’ve waited until Bruno left, then attacked Trish afterwards so Bruno wouldn’t have had that extra incentive to go rogue. Or Diavolo could’ve told them to kill Trish right at the start, which they might’ve been more inclined to do before they’d bonded with Trish. Or he could’ve ordered the old dude to do it - the guy kills himself in the turtle later on, so he unquestioningly obeys even the most unreasonable orders. And killing Trish as early as possible also removes the possibility of Trish falling into enemy hands and revealing what she knows. Which is almost nothing anyway. Metallica turns up at Sardinia anyway so the assassination team already knew about that, and the only way they could get any clues on Diavolo himself is if they had some Moody Blues equivalent to peek into the past which it isn’t clear that they have. A lot of stuff in Jojo doesn’t REALLY make sense, but that’s usually a bit of mid-fight silliness or a pseudo-science explanation. Rather than foundational issues with the story structure. I like part 5’s characters (even if some people joke about Giorno being a wooden plank with a Jojo face drawn on), stands (GE is clearly one of the most BS and feature-creeped stands, but it’s also a decently fun stand) and setting. I don’t mind it having a faster pace / less time to breathe. But major story elements relying on every character making nonsense decisions and spending half the story basically fighting for the wrong side is uhhh a problem. Imagine a version of part 3 where the gang makes the whole journey to Dio, fighting his goons the whole time. Then when they get to Egypt they realise that actually Holly was sinisterly masterminding everything and they have to fight their way back to Japan to beat her up. That would be so dumb. I do think there’s an argument that the story *within* a part generally gets better as it goes on, rather the story *between* parts. I think part 3 starts kind of weak then finds it footing and gets much better. Part 4 definitely has some lulls near the middle when 2D grandpa is randomly arrowing super-powers into various losers (okay some are good so maybe hit-or-miss is a more apt description), but then it ends extremely strong. The main exception to this trend is jojolion which definitely loses steam after the half way mark.
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Mar 22, 2023 05:09
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No Dignity posted:If Araki wanted to do the sights of Italy he should have had it be an ongoing treasure hunt or something. Structuring the entire story as a series of fetch quests delivered out by NPC questgivers without any overriding purpose just makes the core of the story kinda hollow, nothing flows into the next thing and alot of the disgressions end up being pointless (like remember they have to go to Sardinia to find out Diavolo's identity, did that help *at all*?). There's still some cool fights and character scenes but because the grander plot they all tie into is just so filmsy it ends up being way less than the sum of its parts Actually it's good.
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Mar 22, 2023 05:15
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Joseph is definitely the best jojo i think we can all agree best at being very mid!!!
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Mar 22, 2023 07:08
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Elite posted:And I think the overall story structure... just doesn’t work. Team Bruno spends half the story fighting off the rogue assassination squad whilst following Diavolo’s orders... then right as they’re about to complete their mission they suddenly turn traitor themselves and spend the second half of the story fighting off Diavolo loyalists. It’s like they’re deliberately trying to get into as many fights as possible for as little gain as possible. Well, Trish was the switch that made them act, but Bruno and Giorno were always working for the boss with the intention of betraying him. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Mar 22, 2023 08:08
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YggdrasilTM posted:Well, Trish was the switch that made them act, but Bruno and Giorno were always working for the boss with the intention of betraying him. Giorno was. Bruno, on the other hand was ... conflicted. I mean if he was 100% dead set on betraying the boss all along then wiping out the rogue assassination squad seems kind of dumb. Wouldn’t have been the easiest thing to persuade the assassination squad to team up, but half the Jojo series is getting into stand battles with insane lunatics, beating them up, then teaming up with them.
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Mar 22, 2023 10:35
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They gotta earn the boss's trust to get close enough to kill him and what better way to earn his trust (and protect the innocent girl they're bodyguarding) than by beating up a bunch of assassins out to get him?
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Mar 22, 2023 10:39
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Since we’re dissing on Part 5 i just want to mention my least favourite thing about it again. The main cast has barely any time to interact and joke around outside of fights. The one time they finally do, the ’joke’ is beating a restaurant guest half to death. Ha ha! Wacky kids! Ha ha look at him bloodied and curled up in fetal position! Ha, boy that was some good Bonding Time. Meanwhile Part 9’s first two chapters already have 10 times the character of all of Part 5, it’s crazy.
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Mar 22, 2023 12:34
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Bisse posted:Since we’re dissing on Part 5 i just want to mention my least favourite thing about it again. The main cast has barely any time to interact and joke around outside of fights. The one time they finally do, the ’joke’ is beating a restaurant guest half to death. Ha ha! Wacky kids! Ha ha look at him bloodied and curled up in fetal position! Ha, boy that was some good Bonding Time. It really does feel that Part 9 is a bit of a redo of part 5 in some ways, and it's so much better already. I think part of the issue is that Part 5 and Part 8's Jojos seem relatively non-emotive and boring compared to Jojos from other parts. Which is kinda a shame for Part 5 where we could have seen a lot more Dio in Giorno to make him more charismatic. But despite Giorno's big dreams he's just kinda bland in general. Gappy is okay but he still feels like he has less personality than either of the two people who were combined to make him. Jodio doesn't have that problem though and it makes me really hopeful that this part is going to be consistently good throughout. Cause even if the plot doesn't stick the ending, Jodio is always going to be entertaining no matter what else is going on.
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Mar 22, 2023 12:55
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Bisse posted:Since we’re dissing on Part 5 i just want to mention my least favourite thing about it again. The main cast has barely any time to interact and joke around outside of fights. The one time they finally do, the ’joke’ is beating a restaurant guest half to death. Ha ha! Wacky kids! Ha ha look at him bloodied and curled up in fetal position! Ha, boy that was some good Bonding Time. That was a good joke tbh
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Mar 22, 2023 13:02
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Bisse posted:Since we’re dissing on Part 5 i just want to mention my least favourite thing about it again. The main cast has barely any time to interact and joke around outside of fights. The one time they finally do, the ’joke’ is beating a restaurant guest half to death. Ha ha! Wacky kids! Ha ha look at him bloodied and curled up in fetal position! Ha, boy that was some good Bonding Time. Yes that is good. I'm sorry you might be too dumb for jojo.
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Mar 22, 2023 14:25
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Part 5 takes place over like 5 days at most. So it makes sense it would feel fast paced.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:05
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Bisse posted:Since we’re dissing on Part 5 i just want to mention my least favourite thing about it again. The main cast has barely any time to interact and joke around outside of fights. The one time they finally do, the ’joke’ is beating a restaurant guest half to death. Ha ha! Wacky kids! Ha ha look at him bloodied and curled up in fetal position! Ha, boy that was some good Bonding Time. Maybe you just don't get JoJos
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yes that is good. I'm sorry you might be too dumb for jojo.
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Mar 22, 2023 16:23
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You missed the torture dance I guess
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My problem with part 5's cast is less that they interact with each other, and more that Giorno barely interacts with them outside of the fights. The only fun thing I can think of with Giorno and them was when he stole a hundred cars.
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Mar 22, 2023 17:23
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Giorno is mid but also part 5 has Bruno and Mista in it, so like, who loving cares about that donut haired loser
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Elite posted:I realise that Diavolo trying to kill Trish kinda caused (the already wavering) Bruno to flip, but that setup itself doesn’t make any sense. Diavolo could’ve waited until Bruno left, then attacked Trish afterwards so Bruno wouldn’t have had that extra incentive to go rogue. Or Diavolo could’ve told them to kill Trish right at the start, which they might’ve been more inclined to do before they’d bonded with Trish. Or he could’ve ordered the old dude to do it - the guy kills himself in the turtle later on, so he unquestioningly obeys even the most unreasonable orders. And killing Trish as early as possible also removes the possibility of Trish falling into enemy hands and revealing what she knows. Which is almost nothing anyway. Metallica turns up at Sardinia anyway so the assassination team already knew about that, and the only way they could get any clues on Diavolo himself is if they had some Moody Blues equivalent to peek into the past which it isn’t clear that they have. Consider that Diavolo just lost one of his capos and was looking for a replacement. Telling Bruno to protect Trish is a way of testing how loyal and capable he is and is also a chance to make any traitors reveal themselves and get killed. Even if Bruno failed at some point, Diavolo would have less clean-up to do personally. Killing Trish in front of Bruno also lets him see how he reacts and how willing he is to follow him. And if Bruno had any plans to betray him, showing off how he can just erase someone in the blink of an eye without even being noticed would probably intimidate him to compliance. Even if it doesn't, he was sure he could easily kill him (and he would have, without Giorno intervening). The assasins had no idea what Trish does or doesn't know about her father. But they knew Diavolo was trying to protect her, which means she would have at the very least made for a valuable hostage they could maybe use to force him out of hiding.
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Mar 22, 2023 17:49
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Giorno is the Avdol of part 5, both by A) being the least important member of the cast and B) liking piss
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Waffleman_ posted:You missed the torture dance I guess
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Mar 22, 2023 18:12
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this giorno slander is unacceptable. you just don't understand the gangstar.
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https://twitter.com/ChloeImagine/status/1638617067958968346?t=qzH-QFaQuSiDNej_rxCnpw&s=19
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Mar 22, 2023 20:15
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Umm are people in here trying to Criticize the funny meme show?? They must just not Get it
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Dragonwagon posted:Consider that Diavolo just lost one of his capos and was looking for a replacement. Telling Bruno to protect Trish is a way of testing how loyal and capable he is and is also a chance to make any traitors reveal themselves and get killed. Even if Bruno failed at some point, Diavolo would have less clean-up to do personally. Killing Trish in front of Bruno also lets him see how he reacts and how willing he is to follow him. And if Bruno had any plans to betray him, showing off how he can just erase someone in the blink of an eye without even being noticed would probably intimidate him to compliance. Even if it doesn't, he was sure he could easily kill him (and he would have, without Giorno intervening). Giorno: Wants to kill the boss because drugs are bad mmmkay. Assassin squad: Wants to kill the boss because they’re angry that the drugs teams were more important than them. They share basically the same goal and have similar motivations, but they spend the entire time fighting each other. That just felt a bit contrived to me. And sure Giorno is a lowly recruit rather than a team leader, but Bruno thinks the same way about drugs. He’s just conflicted due to a sense of organisational loyalty and responsibility to his team members. You’re right that assassin team didn’t know what Trish knew, only that the boss was protecting her (so they didn’t know that she knew almost nothing). However I think it’s important to remember how incredibly paranoid Diavolo is (think of the scenes of him panicking in the shadows, or killing a fortune teller he just met). Trish knows almost nothing, but Diavolo stills considers her ‘his weakness’ so if the escort mission was a test then he’s delivering ‘his weakness’ into the hands of somebody he doesn’t fully trust. And whilst Diavolo is powerful... he also seems cowardly and unconfident. Diavolo can and does beat Bruno in a straight fight, but Diavolo is still scared of having that straight fight in the first place. Stand battles are risky and unpredictable - even very strong stand users can lose badly very quickly so a paranoid coward wants to avoid them wherever possible. You make some good arguments about the merit in using Team Bruno to lure out traitors and giving Bruno a hard loyalty test at the end of the mission. I just don’t think that fits how Diavolo seems to operate. Diavolo prioritises his own personal secrecy over organisational efficiency (consider the insane lengths he goes to hide his identity, and the really roundabout methods communication methods the group uses). And the lowest risk options to himself would be a) kill Trish immediately (before she can divulge anything), b) kill Trish after Team Bruno leaves.
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i think mista is cool and is the best character in the entire franchise
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French Accent posted:i think mista is cool and is the best character in the entire franchise I think he ranks about fourth for me.
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Mar 22, 2023 22:00
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Mista isn’t even the best character in part 5.
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Mista is a good funny character and I think the fact he tries to be serious so often makes him even funnier. It'd be like if Okuyasu actually thought he was smart.
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The entire fight with Ghiaccio puts Mista in the #2 slot of Part 5 right behind bruno. The man Believed in his teammates so goddamn much.
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Part 5 is kinda Metal Gear Solid 5 of the JoJo parts for me. After all the characters getting so much time to hang out together in DiU it's a jarring change to lose so much of that. A big part of the show is the little moments, and you don't get a lot of them for it in Vento Aureo.
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Mar 23, 2023 03:43
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Mafia stories need a strong element of family and community IMO. The best parts of part 5 are everything up until the Trish mission commences, and the backstory flashbacks, when it most aligns with those themes. E: basically I think the setup would be better suited to a Diamond is Unbreakable 2.0 story rather than the stardust crusaders 2.0 we got. Roach Warehouse fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Mar 23, 2023 06:28
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Elite posted:They share basically the same goal and have similar motivations, but they spend the entire time fighting each other. That just felt a bit contrived to me. Someone hasn't worked in a corp
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somepartsareme posted:Umm are people in here trying to Criticize the funny meme show?? They must just not Get it more like somepartsarelame
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Part 5 is the best. Hold that. I never got the argument about GW having the least characterization or "fun moments" between the cast, I think ppl mistake the generally more serious tone right after 4, the focus on The Mission, w a lack of that, when really it's araki getting better at weaving that characterization into the flow of the stand fight, into shaping how poo poo happens, as well as just following slightly different priorities. "AAHH WE'RE GETTING OLD" for example would def get played for more humor in the Stardust Crusaders days, but the sense poo poo is getting real is the part of the reason we remember that fight, so following those priorities pays off. It's not that more economy is spent on the Stand fights at the detriment to the little moments, so much as the line bw the fight and everything else is blurred more and more, and the nature of those little moments is a little different, generally hewing more dramatic. Giorno and Mista get a lot of them, that gun pose? A+ I don't have any complaints about the cast, aside from Trish getting little play.
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