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They're going to fight after their dreams are revealed to be in some kind of conflict so that the fight has meaning.
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If Garp and BB do fight here (I don't think BB is on the island rn) would it be the first time we see BB in a major fight against someone who doesn't have a devil fruit power? If so, I could still see BB losing but taking some kind of massive damage/loss in the fallout.
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Apr 7, 2023 16:55
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Is BB even home? I think he’s fighting Law at this point
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hatty posted:Is BB even home? I think he’s fighting Law at this point Don't think it's been confirmed, especially since this arc has been jumping about with timeframes/characters. If BB is still fighting Law though, that'll probably mean it's either Laffite/Catarina/both of them heading to Egghead currently.
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Apr 7, 2023 17:44
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Blackbeard fought Law with Van Augur, Doc Q, Stronger, and Burgess. Garp punched the island with Vasco, Shiliew, Pizarro, and Sanjuan Wolf confirmed to be present. Assuming these events are happening simultaneously, then Kuzan, Lafitte, Catalina, and the mystery 10th member are all unaccounted for and could be heading to Egghead.
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Apr 7, 2023 18:08
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garp is so cool
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I am so ready for more Garp, drat he is comfortably my favorite character just for pure implied insane power and I so want to see him at his max.
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Apr 7, 2023 18:12
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If Garp goes down it'll be on his own terms to allow the others to escape. It also opens up the possibility for Koby to meet back up with Luffy if he has other important information to pass on, like Blackbeard having the final poneglyph.
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Apr 7, 2023 18:13
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No Wave posted:Truthfully I am not currently pumped up for Blackbeard vs Luffy because we still dont know either of their motivations or why they'd even be in conflict. They still don't have anything to fight over! I can't see any meaning in their fighting at the moment. Did you miss the whole arc where he killed his brother.
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Apr 7, 2023 18:25
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Do we know if Kuzan is supposed to be the 10th commander or not? Or is he just some kind of advisor or something? Was it ever said either way?
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Apr 7, 2023 18:36
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It'd be might drat rad if Koby got to have a cool fight somewhere around here, is all I'm thinking.
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Apr 7, 2023 19:26
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lobby is 10th crew member
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Apr 7, 2023 19:35
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Caidin posted:It'd be might drat rad if Koby got to have a cool fight somewhere around here, is all I'm thinking. He already did, at Rocky Port. One of the top 5 best fights in One Piece, imo.
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Apr 7, 2023 19:35
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jassa posted:He already did, at Rocky Port. One of the top 5 best fights in One Piece, imo. 
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Apr 7, 2023 19:41
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Caidin posted:It'd be might drat rad if Koby got to have a cool fight somewhere around here, is all I'm thinking. But Koby isn't cool.
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Apr 7, 2023 20:36
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nami is going to be the one to fight vasco shot because she can outdrink him + oda used his last appearance prior to this one to setup Weird Rapey Vibes with him and that just seems like an Oda interaction to create after doing that
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tbp posted:nami is going to be the one to fight vasco shot because she can outdrink him + oda used his last appearance prior to this one to setup Weird Rapey Vibes with him and that just seems like an Oda interaction to create after doing that I wouldn't even rule out some kinda awesome girl power dual take down with her and Robin to cement that the bullshit that is his character can't stand up to strong women. Just have them one shot the gently caress
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Catarina Devin definitely seems like both a robin fight due to being brutal and nami because her fruit has transformation powers Vs the climatact
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No Wave posted:Truthfully I am not currently pumped up for Blackbeard vs Luffy because we still dont know either of their motivations or why they'd even be in conflict. They still don't have anything to fight over! I can't see any meaning in their fighting at the moment. He caught Ace, so Luffy has every right to have a grudge against him. But that doesnt even matter, theyre going to come into conflict on the road to Laughtale and there can be only one Pirate King. Thats all the motivation you need!
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Apr 7, 2023 22:21
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so I wonder if the little blurb we saw between bb/kuzan causes a break - maybe now bb thinks kuzan was lying to him since garp showed up to save Koby, even tho kuzan said no one would? Also there’s no way Kuzan isn’t a mole IMO, so that would potentially take another large chip off the table - or maybe narratively oda decides to make kuzan stab BB in the back at a key moment, which would fit really well thematically
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Apr 7, 2023 22:43
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Kuzan is in no way ride-or-die for Blackbeard. He's just die. Maybe Sanji kicks his rear end after Teach laughs off his betrayal.
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I know the Straw Hats 1v1ing the Blackbeard Pirates is the most likely outcome, but I can't help but think that between Law, Garp, and whatever's going on at Egghead that the BB pirates are going to take at least a few losses before that theoretical showdown can happen. Like if Garp's jumping in now I'm expecting at least one of BB's crew to go down here
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We have to assume that Teach has at least considered the possibility that Kuzan is a mole of some sort, right? It must be obvious to him for most of the same reasons it's obvious to us; he might not know as much as the audience about Kuzan's moral compass, but he knows perfectly well that Kuzan was an Admiral, Kuzan has probably been less cruel/ruthless than the other Blackbeard Pirates, Teach knows from experience that people sometimes join organizations under false pretenses, and now Kuzan himself has told Teach about the existence of SWORD. So there's really only three directions this can go. One is that Kuzan's betrayal is part of Teach's plans all along somehow. Another is that Teach planning for Kuzan's betrayal is part of Kuzan's plans all along somehow. The third possibility is that Kuzan does something drastic to convince Teach of his loyalty (maybe killing Garp?). Actually, another possibility is that as far as Teach is concerned, Kuzan has already proved his loyalty by abducting Pudding. He doesn't know about the difference between the different Admirals' understandings of justice, and thus assumes that anyone basically Marine-aligned would have killed Pudding to prevent Blackbeard from using her to read Poneglyphs. That's what Akainu would have done, after all.
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Can't wait to read whatever is going on in here!
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Cool to see Garp cutting loose and going all out.
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kuzan seems unlikely to be one of the ten titanic captains because they were first mentioned at the dressrosa colosseum, which was also when burgess was having a "can we really trust kuzan" conversation with blackbeard. back then, blackbeard just said that they can't really trust shiryu either and laughed - he just doesn't care about the prospect of kuzan betraying him. he's happy to seize the opportunity of having someone as powerful as kuzan in the crew and will just try to deal with a betrayal if and when it happens. blackbeard is a schemer but he's also fundamentally an opportunist.
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One thing Blackbeard has going for him over some of the other bad guys from the show is that when he eats poo poo or things blow up in his face or he fucks up badly, he seems to think it's loving hilarious and makes no bones about the fact that he's to blame/it's his gently caress-up. I can see him just cracking up if Aokiji ends up doing the most obvious thing and betraying him.
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Jerusalem posted:One thing Blackbeard has going for him over some of the other bad guys from the show is that when he eats poo poo or things blow up in his face or he fucks up badly, he seems to think it's loving hilarious and makes no bones about the fact that he's to blame/it's his gently caress-up.. This is also why Blackbeard is the ultimate foil/villain for Luffy. On the surface Luffy often wins a fight by punching a guy really hard or whatever, but his victory often comes from shattering the dream of his opponent. Refer back to possibly the greatest panel in the manga.
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Bleck posted:This is also why Blackbeard is the ultimate foil/villain for Luffy. On the surface Luffy often wins a fight by punching a guy really hard or whatever, but his victory often comes from shattering the dream of his opponent. How can Luffy defeat him if he can't shatter his dreams?
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Bleck posted:This is also why Blackbeard is the ultimate foil/villain for Luffy. On the surface Luffy often wins a fight by punching a guy really hard or whatever, but his victory often comes from shattering the dream of his opponent. The above re: Blackbeard's dream is also why I think it's fun how one of the few times you see Blackbeard gotten to is when Whitebeard tells him,"It won't be you" regarding the One Piece/becoming King of the Pirates. Love that so much.
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Bleck posted:This is also why Blackbeard is the ultimate foil/villain for Luffy. On the surface Luffy often wins a fight by punching a guy really hard or whatever, but his victory often comes from shattering the dream of his opponent. Page won't load, what is it? e: nvm, it's the famous panel.
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No Wave posted:Truthfully I am not currently pumped up for Blackbeard vs Luffy because we still dont know either of their motivations or why they'd even be in conflict. They still don't have anything to fight over! I can't see any meaning in their fighting at the moment. It's always nice to get confirmation that some of the posters in this thread literally do not read, or at least do not understand even a fraction of a fraction of the idea of "themes."
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Apr 8, 2023 13:59
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Blackbeard and Luffy both want to get the thing that the entire manga is named after, even
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Waffleman_ posted:Blackbeard and Luffy both want to get the thing that the entire manga is named after, even Oh, so One Piece is how you say Meat in Japanese. 
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Apr 8, 2023 14:11
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Yeah im going out for some Yakiwanpiisu
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blackbeard's trusting of kuzan seems to mirror luffy's trusting of law
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Still interested to learn why Kuzan is okay teaming up with Blackbeard. Know he’s opposed to the marines but he seemed to have a more moral version of justice compared to the other admirals, and Blackbeard doesn’t really align with that. Not sure what he’s looking to get out of the relationship
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Apr 8, 2023 19:42
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So he can betray him.
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Apr 8, 2023 19:51
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The bigger twist would be if Kuzan is sincerely following Blackbeard
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JahRoo posted:Still interested to learn why Kuzan is okay teaming up with Blackbeard. Know he’s opposed to the marines but he seemed to have a more moral version of justice compared to the other admirals, and Blackbeard doesn’t really align with that. Not sure what he’s looking to get out of the relationship
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