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Should I read the Blood of Asaheim trilogy by Chris Wraight?
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Apr 28, 2023 09:06
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kanonvandekempen posted:Should I read the Blood of Asaheim trilogy by Chris Wraight? It is some of his earliest work and very bolter porny, but still a good read. Just don’t expect the intrigue of Vaults of Terra
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Apr 28, 2023 09:36
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I've been listening to Old Earth. Shadrak Medusoniu deserved more books; Vulkan deserved fewer
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Apr 28, 2023 22:11
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Are there any Siege books that focus on Perturabo and the Iron Warriors specifically?
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Apr 29, 2023 01:43
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'The First Wall' is very IW focused. They get some sparse mention through the rest of the series but it's sporadic.
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Apr 29, 2023 03:36
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Sephyr posted:'The First Wall' is very IW focused. Even features a confrontation between Perty and Dorn. But I think that right after this is when Perterabo just quit the siege because nobody else was really helping.
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Apr 29, 2023 05:09
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So which book features Perturabo finally having enough and abandoning the siege? That feels like an absolutely defining moment for his character.
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Apr 29, 2023 05:45
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Arc Hammer posted:So which book features Perturabo finally having enough and abandoning the siege? That feels like an absolutely defining moment for his character.
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Apr 29, 2023 09:10
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Plucky Brit posted:Mortis, and it was a massive anticlimax. I kinda like it, it fits Perturabo's character and his motives.
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Apr 29, 2023 10:37
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Plucky Brit posted:Mortis, and it was a massive anticlimax. Yeah, pretty much. It's like they wanted to weave the falling out through the books but forgot, then had to do it all in one swoop right at the end. It's basically Horus meeting Perturabo and praising him for finally breaching the Inner Palace, saying that no one else could have done it....and then going "Alright, so now we do a full frontal assault on all sectors, with your guys leading the charge and eating lasers with their faces!". Perty goes "What? No. We've won. We just have to keep focused pressure a bit longer and it'll all crumble without us butchering our sons." Horus counters with "Shut up moron, I'm the Warmaster." Followed by the other primarch going "Well master my rear end while you watch it walk out the door and off this war!"
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Apr 29, 2023 15:10
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kanonvandekempen posted:Should I read the Blood of Asaheim trilogy by Chris Wraight? As far as books about Space Wolves go, they are certainly among the better ones.
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Apr 29, 2023 17:44
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Somebody on Facebook posted pictures of the golden demon diorama contest at Warhammer Fest and there is some amazing stuff but this one particularly stands out.
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Apr 29, 2023 19:11
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Wow. There's better character development for that event there than in the actual books.
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Apr 29, 2023 19:45
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Wow. There's better character development for that event there than in the actual books. i mean the issue is both ferrus and fulgrim are pretty one note and ferrus growth is basicaly "well i am sorta realizing that my push for cold logical perfection has hosed up my sons, i am gonna try to do better, real dick move if i were to die now, real dick move" and fulgrim is when they want to add depth but also make sure he ends up a giant hentai monster.
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Apr 30, 2023 00:01
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean the issue is both ferrus and fulgrim are pretty one note and ferrus growth is basicaly "well i am sorta realizing that my push for cold logical perfection has hosed up my sons, i am gonna try to do better, real dick move if i were to die now, real dick move" and fulgrim is when they want to add depth but also make sure he ends up a giant hentai monster. Admittedly I kinda read the books up to Istvaan, then skipped to the siege, but isn't Fulgrims entire development "I'm super prideful, oh, whoops that was the Daemon in the sword, and now he killed my brother... I'm going to hide inside myself while a daemon takes the wheel".
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Apr 30, 2023 05:12
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Calax posted:Admittedly I kinda read the books up to Istvaan, then skipped to the siege, but isn't Fulgrims entire development "I'm super prideful, oh, whoops that was the Daemon in the sword, and now he killed my brother... I'm going to hide inside myself while a daemon takes the wheel". That would have been a lot better, but instead there was a novella that changed this to be Fulgrim eventually revealing that he'd actually beaten the daemon off screen and actually he just likes being this way now.
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Apr 30, 2023 05:28
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a lovely king posted:That would have been a lot better, but instead there was a novella that changed this to be Fulgrim eventually revealing that he'd actually beaten the daemon off screen and actually he just likes being this way now. Personally my head canon based on my own reading of all that was that the demon never got banished and is still in control of Fulgrim to this day. If you read it the EC are all torturing Fulgrim to try and get the demon to leave and he just all of a sudden is like "it's me guys I'm back the demon is now gone I totally pinky swear" with absolutely zero proof and they just believe him and they all go about their day. I really like this theory because it means Fulgrim's soul is still in the painting and considering Trazyn has a clone Fulgrim body it wouldn't be hard at all to write some lore where the two get combined and a loyalist Fulgrim who never actually fell (the demon banished him before he could) returns. I don't think it makes any sense to ever bring back a traitor primarch because you can't come back from a full turn to Chaos but a Fulgrim who was on the brink of falling but never did because of the demon coming back having learned a lesson but still being viewed as a fallen primarch by the wider imperium could be some incredibly interesting storytelling if done right.
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Apr 30, 2023 06:06
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D-Pad posted:Personally my head canon based on my own reading of all that was that the demon never got banished and is still in control of Fulgrim to this day. If you read it the EC are all torturing Fulgrim to try and get the demon to leave and he just all of a sudden is like "it's me guys I'm back the demon is now gone I totally pinky swear" with absolutely zero proof and they just believe him and they all go about their day. I really like this theory because it means Fulgrim's soul is still in the painting and considering Trazyn has a clone Fulgrim body it wouldn't be hard at all to write some lore where the two get combined and a loyalist Fulgrim who never actually fell (the demon banished him before he could) returns. I don't think it makes any sense to ever bring back a traitor primarch because you can't come back from a full turn to Chaos but a Fulgrim who was on the brink of falling but never did because of the demon coming back having learned a lesson but still being viewed as a fallen primarch by the wider imperium could be some incredibly interesting storytelling if done right. I always felt like Clone Fulgrim was set up for precisely that possibility. I honestly would rather something like that happen than say, Russ shows back up because wolf reasons. That said I'd be extremely down for the Khan to randomly stumble out of the webway somewhere.
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Apr 30, 2023 07:00
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Just finished the Lion book that tells of his return. It's not really well written and it's kinda pulpy, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I really enjoyed it. The entire concept of a primarch returning after 10,000 years and being all WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS poo poo is just too good no matter who is writing it. Spoiler aboot the book. Has anyone explained his new powers of being able to teleport entire armies yet? Could he simply get 5 legions of Space Marines and have them all meditate with him to Abaddons flagship and just delete him and his punk army? How about meditating to find his lost brothers and Valdor? Could he meditate right to a Chaos god with Gulliman w/ Emp's sword and just poke it in the big toe and watch it be deleted out of existence? So many interesting uses for his new power.
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Apr 30, 2023 07:19
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I've been reading the HH Primarchs books as my lunch break go-to. Lion was kinda just there. The aliens he fought were sorta neat? Fulgrim was good, but this might be bias to how it's a prequel to the Fabius Bile trilogy. It felt like what a pre-Heresy Fulgrim story should feel like, I think. Perturabo was...I dunno. I like what Haley was trying to do, but it felt like it was a little undercooked. Like we're probably supposed to think of Olympia as having a Game of Thrones sort of political vibe, but not enough really went into the portrayal. What was definitely good was its depiction of what full-scale warfare against the Hrud is like, in all it's absolute mayhem. 'Bo butting heads with the Mechanicum was also excellent. Still, should have had more. More Calliphone, more perspectives on Perturabo as a Primarch, more about the loving servitor that got time-warped into being a regular guy again. Also just lol at Plato's Cave being dropped in practically word-for-word.
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Apr 30, 2023 07:26
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Philthy posted:Just finished the Lion book that tells of his return. It's not really well written and it's kinda pulpy, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I really enjoyed it. The entire concept of a primarch returning after 10,000 years and being all WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS poo poo is just too good no matter who is writing it. My guess is that it's not really his new power. I think it's more given or loaned to him by the watchers in the dark. As long as what he is doing generally aligns with whatever their goals are he'll continue to be able to do it, but I have a feeling if he tried to do any crazy poo poo with it then it just wouldn't work. Of course the real answer is the plot will never have him even attempt to do those things you mentioned because that breaks the setting. The question I do find very interesting and I hope we get an answer to is whether he can use it to cross the rift. Having the Lion be able to cross back and forth to Nihilus would be extremely useful. I imagine if they do allow that to be possible he'll find there is a limit to how many people he can take with him otherwise Guilliman would just assign him to transport duties and he'd spend 24/7 shuttling armies across.
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Apr 30, 2023 07:55
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D-Pad posted:Personally my head canon based on my own reading of all that was that the demon never got banished and is still in control of Fulgrim to this day. Yeah, this is my take after reading the mirror crack'd, and I'm not changing my mind. It's way more fun.
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Apr 30, 2023 08:36
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Philthy posted:Just finished the Lion book that tells of his return. It's not really well written and it's kinda pulpy, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I really enjoyed it. The entire concept of a primarch returning after 10,000 years and being all WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS poo poo is just too good no matter who is writing it. I think it’s at least tied to the emperor in some way. The wounded king is a very obvious metaphor for the emperor and especially because he can’t talk and the lion just gets a sense he wants him to do something, which is helping the people out of his reach. The book ends with the lion literally picking the emperors shield out of the ether and banishing a demon with it. So now you have two primarchs. One is leading a crusade of light with the emperors sword and the other is defending his people with his shield.
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Apr 30, 2023 09:41
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D-Pad posted:I don't think it makes any sense to ever bring back a traitor primarch because you can't come back from a full turn to Chaos There was that one ultramarine turned plague marine who basically walked up to their daemon prince master, and ripped open their chest to reveal the last lines of an exterminatus prayer moments before they blew up the world. That was pretty metal, though yeah at that point they were too far gone to come back. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Apr 30, 2023 09:42
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So, I decided I’d start on the Siege, and I’ve gotten to Book 2. Hooboy is this some chronic prose. Solar War was serviceable if a little without a real central plot, but Lost and the Damned is a tragedy in all the wrong ways. I was thinking it was just kind of lame, but then we had this meeting of the traitor Primarch and every line is just awful?
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Apr 30, 2023 10:28
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Super post human perfect creations cannot talk like normal people and then..."who could have predicted this"
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Apr 30, 2023 10:48
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Watching the leviathan video and I have a thought about the utter waste it shows The first company rick up with their Captain, Librarian, 5 terminators, and 5 Sternguard. They all get wiped out. If we assume that all companies are 100 dudes that is 12% of the most valuable soldiers the Ultras have, that doesn't feel like it is a very sustainable way to wage war.
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Apr 30, 2023 11:17
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I desperately need a release date for Abnetts second volume of his DMT fueled fever dream
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Apr 30, 2023 11:21
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It's generally accepted that 1v1 straight up a Thunder Warrior beats an Astartes right?
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Apr 30, 2023 11:32
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Theotus posted:It's generally accepted that 1v1 straight up a Thunder Warrior beats an Astartes right? In most cases yeah. There are obviously outliers in both directions (Sigismund, Abaddon etc. would probably be more than a match for any given thunder warrior) but for the most part the TWs were larger, stronger and faster, though less well-equipped.
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Apr 30, 2023 11:36
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notaspy posted:Watching the leviathan video and I have a thought about the utter waste it shows It's the inherent problem with this Solblade strategy of "alpha strike the synaptic leaders to buy time to build a proper defensive line" we've been told about so far; great if it works, and a (comparatively) effective way of slowing the Hive Fleet's advance with the small number of elites you have on hand if it does pan out. But if you miss or mess up the alpha strike, that Solblade unit is just dead because they are committed too far behind the front to be helped by whatever regulars you have, and probably won't have the manpower to dig themselves out of their bad situation if it doesn't 100% go to plan. (And being specced for sort of targeted precise strikes means you won't have the right kit to defend a beachhead either.) Tyranids won't mind the extra protein, though.
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Apr 30, 2023 11:49
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Theotus posted:It's generally accepted that 1v1 straight up a Thunder Warrior beats an Astartes right? Pretty much. When Valdor unleashed the prototype Astartes on the remaining Thunder Warriors during the Palace Coup, he noted that it was their numbers and coordinated teamwork that allowed them to bring down the larger Thunder Warriors. The leader of TWs, Ushotan killed multiple Astartes solo, but Valdor stated it was only a matter of time before they would drag him down, and he wasn't having that. Instead he fought his way to Ushotan and killed him personally, out of respect. Ushotan actually managed to make a fight of it, though the outcome was never in doubt. Another factor is that the TWs were always a rush-job, and they had limited life span, with their physiology failing them couple of decades in. Astartes not only could be mass-produced once they ironed out the kinks in the process, but they were also capable of living for centuries.
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Apr 30, 2023 13:56
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The only crime the TW were guilty of, and what got them purged, was no loyalty conditioning.
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Apr 30, 2023 14:21
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Demiurge4 posted:The only crime the TW were guilty of, and what got them purged, was no loyalty conditioning. That, and they needed to be all removed before they figured out that Emps and co knew right from the start that their shoddy bio-augmentations would kill them in a couple of decades.
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Apr 30, 2023 14:23
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yeah they were culled because otherwise they’d have degenerated into violent madmen within years
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Apr 30, 2023 14:24
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:yeah they were culled because otherwise they’d have degenerated into violent madmen within years More like they were culled before they realized that Emps had screwed them over and rebelled against him.
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Apr 30, 2023 14:25
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Telsa Cola posted:There was that one ultramarine turned plague marine who basically walked up to their daemon prince master, and ripped open their chest to reveal the last lines of an exterminatus prayer moments before they blew up the world. Do you remember in which story that happened?
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Apr 30, 2023 18:12
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/30/sunday-preview-abandon-ship-as-the-gallowdark-falls-in-kill-team You want some books? Course you do! First up is The Great Devourer: The Leviathan Omnibus, featuring stories by Guy Haley, Josh Reynolds, Braden, Campbell, Joe Parrion, L J Goulding, and (ugh) Nick Kyme. Only available in paperback.  The fact it doesn't include Dan Abnett's The Fall of Malvolion is frankly bullshit. Then we have Pilgrims of Fire by Justin D Hill.  quote:The Order of Our Martyred Lady is filled with the most battle-hungry and renowned warriors across the Adepta Sororitas. Sister Helewise and her fellow Sororitas will have their faith tested as they follow in the footsteps of the legendary Saint Katherine in a mission fraught with disaster. Will be available in the usual hardback, eBook, and audiobook formats for the time being. Lastly we have the paperback release of Outgunned by Denny Flowers.  quote:Meeting your heroes is never a good idea, and it might be an even worse prospect in the 41st Millennium. Ace pilot Lucille von Shard is set to star in a cinema-pict about the air war on planet Bacchus, but the hero Imperial Propagandist Kile Simlex expects to find turns out to be an arrogant misanthrope… who just so happens to be the only thing between the approaching Green Storm. As I recall someone ITT read the hardback release when it came out and liked it.
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Apr 30, 2023 18:14
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Outgunned was fun, it's nothing special but it's worth reading IMO.
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Apr 30, 2023 18:20
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I listened to it on Audible. Pretty decent, fun twist, nothing mind-blowing.
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