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Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Relevant Tangent posted:

One Night Lord could take Earth at current tech levels, especially if he only flayed the wealthy and powerful.

Jeremy Corbyn might have been a Night Lord in disguise if you believe the tabloids.

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Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Arc Hammer posted:

That's essentially what thr Helsreach Crusade marines did during the Armageddon war. Squads were deployed across the hive city for defensive actions as well as attacking high profile targets.

Also the siege of Terra. They're spaced out on the walls to bolster up large groups of guard and rush to counter any breaches

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

couldnt put the whole thing in but the last couple paragraph. https://soundcloud.com/dapper-73299...=social_sharing 11 ai is fun

Ahahaha this immediately made me grin. Thank you.

Edit: Also it's very funny how the algorithm just sort of pitches him down and down until he sounds like an elmo running out of batteries.

Black Griffon fucked around with this message at 10:58 on May 2, 2023

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
been reading the HH books from the start, where should I go after Flight of The Eisenstein? I have heard Fulgrim is not great, should I go with Legion or Thousand Sons?

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
If you don't want to slog through Fulgrim's corruption you can just skip to the chapters that feature the battle of Isstvan V.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
It would be interesting to have one of the fallen Primarchs switch to being anti-Chaos. The IoM is a fascist meatgrinder, they're only the "good guys" by dint of not being a fascist meatgrinder wot eats babies for fun. Having a Primarch that comes back and realizes that the structure of the Imperium is irredeemable and fucks off to create an Imperium Tertius to defend humanity against Chaos and hostile alien species would be interesting. They'd still be deeply deeply morally compromised because it's still almost certainly a colonialist empire, but they'd be in the Tau range of very dark grey. Not sure who'd be the primarch for that job, though. Could also be a previously loyal Primarch, but the clear option for that was Bobby and he's put his shoulder to the yoke of the Imperium.

Painting Fulgrim and Bobby meet up 200 years after Indomitus to save a chunk of Imperium Nihilus from all the baddies seems like it would be an odd couple style romp, though.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Black Griffon posted:

Ahahaha this immediately made me grin. Thank you.

Edit: Also it's very funny how the algorithm just sort of pitches him down and down until he sounds like an elmo running out of batteries.

Yeah. Eleven ai is a weird program. It works with normal voices but is bad with “voices” with any weird pitch. Also it nickel and dimes you.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

RE: Primarchs falling and coming back

It's fun to consider the characters switching roles, but the way 40k is written, the Marines generally follow their primarch. If we had Clone-Fulgrim return to the Imperium as an uncorrupted champion and declared the snake dude as purely a Daemon, would we see the Emperor's Children return to the Fold? Or if Corax fell to Chaos after spending so long in the warp hunting Lorgar, would the Raven Guard turn?

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Calax posted:

RE: Primarchs falling and coming back

It's fun to consider the characters switching roles, but the way 40k is written, the Marines generally follow their primarch. If we had Clone-Fulgrim return to the Imperium as an uncorrupted champion and declared the snake dude as purely a Daemon, would we see the Emperor's Children return to the Fold? Or if Corax fell to Chaos after spending so long in the warp hunting Lorgar, would the Raven Guard turn?

No and no.

Almost a third of four traitor legions did not follow their Primarch into damnation, which led into the Istvaan III Atrocity, and two loyalist legions had sizable contingents that turned traitor while their Primarchs were loyalist.

Also, there's been dozens of Chapters that have turned traitor since Heresy, and none of those had Primarch influence.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
:black101:

https://twitter.com/ThanatosArchive/status/1653354699691622400?s=20

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001


"Look at my hat y'all!"

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Settra looking pimp

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

Yeah. Eleven ai is a weird program. It works with normal voices but is bad with “voices” with any weird pitch. Also it nickel and dimes you.

It's like "oh yeah it's getting dark and dramatic" and then it's like "it's getting weirdly dark and confusingly dramatic" and then it's like "Sir can you follow the pen with your eyes? Is there someone we can call?" dramatic.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Pron on VHS posted:

been reading the HH books from the start, where should I go after Flight of The Eisenstein? I have heard Fulgrim is not great, should I go with Legion or Thousand Sons?

Read Legion at least

There was also a good heresy books list a few pages ago before the who would win between the Lamenters and the Russian army discussion, you can check my post history to get to it.

sharknado slashfic fucked around with this message at 21:19 on May 2, 2023

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

thats dope. i like how so many other(nonUS) cultures treat death. like id want my skeleton presevred like that.


Black Griffon posted:

It's like "oh yeah it's getting dark and dramatic" and then it's like "it's getting weirdly dark and confusingly dramatic" and then it's like "Sir can you follow the pen with your eyes? Is there someone we can call?" dramatic.

yeah. basicaly you put the messages in the sytem and have it read them and then you tweak it. the issue is its very very broad about the tweaks and it adds charges for every 1k characters. also some voices work all the time and others and messes. any cartoon voice is coin toss and loving victor saltzpyer either sounds like the devil or an old woman.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Dapper_Swindler posted:

thats dope. i like how so many other(nonUS) cultures treat death. like id want my skeleton presevred like that.


I actually looked into this and basically at one point the Vatican needed money so they took a bunch of random corpses from the catacombs, prettied them up and then shipped them out to various customers as "Saints".

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005


SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



This guy must have been pretty badass to get sainted after immodestly displaying his ribs.

lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

Relevant Tangent posted:

One Night Lord could take Earth at current tech levels, especially if he only flayed the wealthy and powerful.

Hell if that was the platform I'd canvass and knock on doors for him

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Don't blame me, I voted for Ferrus Manus

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Everyone earning over $20k a year is slaughtered by the Night Lord because he based who was "high income" on global deciles.

Mr. Grapes!
Feb 12, 2007
Mr. who?
I checked over the original post and it seems to be all novels.

Is there a good short story collection book?

My knowledge of Warhams is limited to seeing Hammer and Bolter and liking a lot of it, and playing the Total War PC games but those are fantasy.

I like the sarcastic and overblown Gothic bleakness, I'm not so enthused about Space Marine gunporn.

Also, the original post seems to be about ten years old so am wondering if there is some good newer stuff that might be a fun starting point.

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:blizz:


Warden posted:

No and no.

Almost a third of four traitor legions did not follow their Primarch into damnation, which led into the Istvaan III Atrocity, and two loyalist legions had sizable contingents that turned traitor while their Primarchs were loyalist.

Also, there's been dozens of Chapters that have turned traitor since Heresy, and none of those had Primarch influence.

It's not impossible in Fulgrim's case. In the second Fabius Bile novel (large spoilers, plus giving away a fabulous joke), Alkenex's warband is getting ready to say gently caress it, we're on team New Fulgrim...before Trazyn saunters in to "collect" the lot of them. Trazyn deciding to release them, if there were a chance they could be conditioned to counter Chaos, is improbable, but not impossible.

This, at least, is what I'd write in a "repentant Chaos legion" fanfic.

Pron on VHS posted:

been reading the HH books from the start, where should I go after Flight of The Eisenstein? I have heard Fulgrim is not great, should I go with Legion or Thousand Sons?

All of 'em. Dehumanize yourself and face to Heresy.

possibly better answer: Read all the ones that heavily feature the Traitor Legions, which include the first five (so power through Fulgrim and enjoy watching Graham McNeill run out of prose by the time he gets to the Dropsite Massacre.)

They're almost always better than ones that take place from a primarily Loyalist perspective, with the distinct exception of the White Scars ones, which are solid.

Speaking of Chris Wraight, I'm just about finished with the second Vaults of Terra book and holy loving poo poo.

This series cannot come out in omnibus form soon enough.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Fulgrim the novel rules. It goes hard and weird and horny.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Black Griffon posted:

Fulgrim the novel rules. It goes hard and weird and horny.

:emptyquote:

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Calax posted:

RE: Primarchs falling and coming back

It's fun to consider the characters switching roles, but the way 40k is written, the Marines generally follow their primarch. If we had Clone-Fulgrim return to the Imperium as an uncorrupted champion and declared the snake dude as purely a Daemon, would we see the Emperor's Children return to the Fold? Or if Corax fell to Chaos after spending so long in the warp hunting Lorgar, would the Raven Guard turn?

Also, 40k Black Legion chaos marines have pretty much moved beyond their primarchs and have no time for their bullshit

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:blizz:


Addendum to my last post: Other than the TL and White Scars Heresy novels, other good ones with mostly loyalist protagonists include Mechanicum and Know No Fear. On the fence: Garro+Vengeful Spirit, which you should read them as a twofer; Garro is fast-paced since it was written as audio dramas, and that along with Vengeful Spirit continue a significant thread from the initial quartet; Outcast Dead, which is weird but fun; Deliverance Lost, which for some reason I remember enjoying but I cannot for the life of me recall specifically why, and Praetorian of Dorn.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Mechanicum is real good. A must read Heresy book imo.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


everyone* said it had a terminally bad one-liner, but when I got to said one-liner I laughed and went gently caress yeah

*like one person, maybe two

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Mr. Grapes! posted:

I checked over the original post and it seems to be all novels.

Is there a good short story collection book?

My knowledge of Warhams is limited to seeing Hammer and Bolter and liking a lot of it, and playing the Total War PC games but those are fantasy.

I like the sarcastic and overblown Gothic bleakness, I'm not so enthused about Space Marine gunporn.

Also, the original post seems to be about ten years old so am wondering if there is some good newer stuff that might be a fun starting point.

Grimdark Sarcasm very much seems to be Robert Rath's stock in trade through his first two books, though they're not especially bleak for the setting. Assassinorum: Kingmaker and The Infinite and the Divine both meet your desire for dialed down bolter porn and neither involve Space Marines. The latter is the book that got me fully on board with the Necrons being very cool and good, the former is just a very fun yarn about Assassins from three different Temples solving political problems on a Knight world.

Overblown Gothic Bleakness seems to be Chris Wraight's stock in trade, and for that I'd strongly recommend his Vaults of Terra trilogy, starting with The Hollow Mountain. Wraight is one of the few 40k writers who gets the sheer immensity of the setting, and the story is primarily from the POV of midlevel Inquisitors on Earth who run into things way beyond their paygrade. Wraight also wrote Bloodlines, which is a solid cops & cartels yarn set on the Warhammer 40k Crime Novel world.

For a tonally different take, Brutal Kunnin' is an Ork book by Mike Brooks, with a dash of equally odd POV characters from the Mechanicum and some light heresy creating a three way clusterfuck.

All of those are from 2020 or later, and they're just good science fiction books in their own right. Which is impressive given the constraints placed on the authors by being licensed fiction that's made in part to drive sales to the core business.

e: I realized that all of those were novels after posting, if you're looking for short stories I'd recommend The Vorbis Conspiracy which is an anthology set on the Warhammer Crime Novel world and has a number of different stories which all spin out from the same inciting event (a ship crashing into the planet and killing a few million people). It's got a story by Wraight with the same main character as Bloodlines.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 15:07 on May 3, 2023

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Dog_Meat posted:

Also, 40k Black Legion chaos marines have pretty much moved beyond their primarchs and have no time for their bullshit

There will always be outliers, that's just part of the series. Horus is truly dead and gone, which is why his legion makes up the bulk of the Black Legion. This is why I put in that "In General" part of my original post, not every marine is just going to "Whelp, papa Primarch said we're evil now..." and switch sides. Even at Istvaan III it was less than half the traitor legions that were culled for their devotion to the Emperor.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Black Griffon posted:

everyone* said it had a terminally bad one-liner, but when I got to said one-liner I laughed and went gently caress yeah

*like one person, maybe two

It’s very very bad. I also think the book doesn’t hold up even without it, but it’s a bad line, maybe the worst in BL.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Someone post the one liner so I don't have to buy a book just to read a Magos go 'so... that happened' or whatever

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Am I right in thinking there was a recent book about rouge traders

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Rites of Passage has a very cranky rogue trader.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

notaspy posted:

Am I right in thinking there was a recent book about rouge traders

Void King. It was good, not great but not a bad read.

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

It’s very very bad. I also think the book doesn’t hold up even without it, but it’s a bad line, maybe the worst in BL.

Would you mind telling us what it is? I'm certain I've read that book, but I often semi-skim the less interesting BL stuff and I can't recall anything that egregious I'd remember it.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Yeah I've definitely read Mechanicum but nothing specific is coming to mind

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Sorry sorry I had to get home from work.



Great book. Knights, titans, Metropolis robot lady, weird mechanicum guys with horrible personalities, scarp code, a train level. Big hoot.

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Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

Black Griffon posted:

Sorry sorry I had to get home from work.



Great book. Knights, titans, Metropolis robot lady, weird mechanicum guys with horrible personalities, scarp code, a train level. Big hoot.

Wow, that really is something. Surprised it got past an editor. Very early 2000s/late 90s kids TV show energy.

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