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A Moose posted:Isn't there already a running joke that people don't so much BUY beer in the Drum as they do rent it? I think that's a real world thing too. Maybe UK.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Yeah, NFTs would definitely be his thing. The Truth posted:‘You have wisely purchased the Dis-organizer Mk II, the latest in biothaumaturgic design, with a host of useful features and no resemblance whatsoever to the Mk I which you may have inadvertently destroyed by stamping on it heavily!’ it said, adding, ‘This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability, accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee, imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect of any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other agreement that may be substituted at any time by coming within five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.’ And that from The Year 2000!
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Tac Dibar posted:I have to confess that I was a bit disappointed with Making Money back in the day. I had hoped that Pterry would focus more on the illusory nature of money, and maybe play around with financial bubbles. These would, in my opinion, fit perfectly into the Discworld setting. CMOT Dibbler could easily had been at the center of some bitcoin-like scheme, where people go nuts over the chance of making money. That would also have fit with the themes of the previous Moist von Lipwig book. Moist could have been trying to ride the bubble’s wave and keep the whole economic system from crashing, or something. That's more what Going Postal is about though, with the concept of "can't fool an honest man" and a venture capitalist as a literal pirate.
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Ok, so I tried Nation again after all the love it gets in this thread, but it absolutely failed to grab me after 100 pages. I finished it the first time, years ago, but I don't really want to force myself to keep going. I don't really care about any of the characters, which in a Pratchett book is extremely unusual.
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Beachcomber posted:Ok, so I tried Nation again after all the love it gets in this thread, but it absolutely failed to grab me after 100 pages. I finished it the first time, years ago, but I don't really want to force myself to keep going. It wasn’t my favorite either, some books just don’t hit for some people  I also greatly disliked Dodger, it and Nation always felt a little too on the nose for me, I suppose I just like the absurdism of Discworld to soften the message and feel a bit less preachy
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Considering those particular books were written for her, it seems reasonable and I am fine with it
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SirSamVimes posted:Woman who says she'll be involved with adaptations, spinoffs and tie-ins co-writes a tie-in, deeply troubling It's this. Rhi specifically stated that she wasn't going to write Discworld novels. This isn't a Discworld novel.
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RE: guilds effectively policing their respective activities, do we ever really see that outside of the Thieves' Guild? Like, I don't recall ever seeing the Assassin's Guild prosecuting unlicensed murders, possibly because assassins don't murder people so they wouldn't consider it within their purview. A lot of other guilds like Musicians and Engravers crack down on things that aren't normally crimes, outside of the very technical definition of "doing X without a guild license is illegal because we say it is". Maybe the Fools' Guild maintains a roving street mime patrol to find people to throw in the scorpion pit.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:RE: guilds effectively policing their respective activities, do we ever really see that outside of the Thieves' Guild? Like, I don't recall ever seeing the Assassin's Guild prosecuting unlicensed murders, possibly because assassins don't murder people so they wouldn't consider it within their purview. A lot of other guilds like Musicians and Engravers crack down on things that aren't normally crimes, outside of the very technical definition of "doing X without a guild license is illegal because we say it is". Maybe the Fools' Guild maintains a roving street mime patrol to find people to throw in the scorpion pit. Iirc Foul Ol’ Ron and his crew were kicked out of the Beggar’s Guild and beg illegally
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Maybe the Fools' Guild maintains a roving street mime patrol to find people to throw in the scorpion pit. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 18:45 on May 14, 2023 |
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anilEhilated posted:Under Vetinari? They'd end right in the scorpion pit next cell door. No, that's what I meant, the Fools' Guild provides the enforcement arm of that policy, patrolling for street mimes.
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I feel like there are a few references to the assassins taking a dim view of other people killing for money in particular. As opposed to beating people for money, and if they happen to die, that's a shame, or killing people on a recreational basis.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:RE: guilds effectively policing their respective activities, do we ever really see that outside of the Thieves' Guild? Like, I don't recall ever seeing the Assassin's Guild prosecuting unlicensed murders, possibly because assassins don't murder people so they wouldn't consider it within their purview. A lot of other guilds like Musicians and Engravers crack down on things that aren't normally crimes, outside of the very technical definition of "doing X without a guild license is illegal because we say it is". Maybe the Fools' Guild maintains a roving street mime patrol to find people to throw in the scorpion pit. I know it's mentioned that the Assassin's guild regulates the trade of spring crossbows, and anybody who is caught carrying one better hope the Watch catches them because the guild will string them up without a second thought
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thetoughestbean posted:Iirc Foul Ol’ Ron and his crew were kicked out of the Beggar’s Guild and beg illegally I got the feeling that Queen Molly viewed them as a sort of force of nature, and that they were too powerful and useful (in beggars' terms) to persecute in any way. idonotlikepeas posted:I feel like there are a few references to the assassins taking a dim view of other people killing for money in particular. As opposed to beating people for money, and if they happen to die, that's a shame, or killing people on a recreational basis. If you shiv someone for their money and they die, that's just a violent theft. The thieves guild probably frowns on it, because you don't kill the cow instead of milking it.
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idonotlikepeas posted:I feel like there are a few references to the assassins taking a dim view of other people killing for money in particular. As opposed to beating people for money, and if they happen to die, that's a shame, or killing people on a recreational basis. It's actually a plot point in Discworld Noir. The main character gets accused of murder which means that the assassins tries to kill him.
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IIRC, the Musicians Guild threatens The Band With Rocks In because they aren’t in the Guild.
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dervival posted:A large portion of The Truth is Mr. Carney and the Engravers' Guild being pissy at William de Worde and the dwarves, isn't it? I don’t think so. It’s much more about the institution of the newspaper being set up
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Fat Samurai posted:IIRC, the Musicians Guild threatens The Band With Rocks In because they aren’t in the Guild. Yeah, but that's just the guild enforcing their monopoly, I'm talking more about the idea that the Guilds cover a lot of the "law enforcement" aspects that the watch (at least early on) isn't able to. Like we don't see the Engravers' Guild enforcing copyright law, or a Merchants' Guild combating smuggling or counterfeit goods. It's always just the Thieves' Guild that gets brought up. Like, I could imagine the Seamstresses taking some rather direct action regarding sex offenders, but that feels more like it's implied rather then ever actually depicted.
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thetoughestbean posted:I don’t think so. It’s much more about the institution of the newspaper being set up dervival posted:A large portion of The Truth is Mr. Carney and the Engravers' Guild being pissy at William de Worde and the dwarves, isn't it? De Worde hired on his first reporter because she stormed into his office and called him out on how much they needed the money her dad made carving his letters. And the Wizards were super worried about the dangers of using the same printing press on multiple books with magic seeping in. The "guilds enforcing their own laws" fell out of being brought up as often when The Watch stopped being a joke.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:
No, it's pretty much explicitly stated: https://wiki.lspace.org/Agony_Aunts
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Wingnut Ninja posted:No, that's what I meant, the Fools' Guild provides the enforcement arm of that policy, patrolling for street mimes. Perhaps they could be sentenced to public works as community service instead of the scorpion pit. I'm sure city sanitation could use the help of some mime sweepers.
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Anyone here read 13 O'clock by Kornbluth? It's one of my favorite short stories (novellas?) and the humor and setting really reminds me of Pratchett. I'm curious if he'd ever read it himself. https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-thirteenoclock/kornbluthcm-thirteenoclock-00-h.html It's a quick read and if you're a Pratchett fan I don't think you can go wrong reading it, it's pretty great. A sort of proto-pratchett? It's genuinely impressive how much worldbuilding Kornbluth manages to squeeze in to a pretty short text. free hubcaps fucked around with this message at 15:17 on May 24, 2023 |
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I haven't and I'll give it a look later - I know Kornbluth best from "The Marching Morons", which was basically the same premise as Idiocracy 55 years before Idiocracy
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I am presently reading the sci-fi series Children of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky, and he's clearly deeply influenced by Pratchett. In addition to one or two pretty direct lifts, he's managed to somehow justify within a mostly hard sci-fi setting having a version of Hex.
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Narsham posted:I am presently reading the sci-fi series Children of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky, and he's clearly deeply influenced by Pratchett. In addition to one or two pretty direct lifts, he's managed to somehow justify within a mostly hard sci-fi setting having a version of Hex. Oh wow, I got the first one free on Kindle and thought it was pretty neat, I didn't realize there were more books.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Oh wow, I got the first one free on Kindle and thought it was pretty neat, I didn't realize there were more books. Yep, Children of Ruin and Children of Memory.
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I finished Night Watch for the first time last night, coincidentally on lilac day. It was great! I’ve looked ahead and I can’t believe there’s only like a dozen of these things left!
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Night Watch is very easily the best Discword novel and it's not even close. The late 90s-early 2000s is the most prime Discworld era ending at Unseen Academicals. Terry really amping it up to eleven with The Truth, The Wee Free Men, Going Postal, just top tier Discworld
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I'd personally call Thief of Time the best Discworld novel, but Night Watch is a close second.
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SirSamVimes posted:I'd personally call Thief of Time the best Discworld novel, but Night Watch is a close second.  Hogfather’s probably my number three
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SirSamVimes posted:I'd personally call Thief of Time the best Discworld novel, but Night Watch is a close second. Interesting call, I've never seen that one at the top of any lists. Why do you like it?
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Just thinking again how much I love Djel-I-Bey-Bi (lit: Child of the Djel) as a pun.
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sebmojo posted:Interesting call, I've never seen that one at the top of any lists. Why do you like it? Death & Co are a great set of characters, Susan is cool, I like the history monks, and there's some weird and interesting mythological/deity concepts.
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