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You'd normally tie back internal walls into the ceiling structure. Peak deflection of cantilever loaded by a uniformly distributed goon is about ten times what a simply supported beam gives under the same loading (1/8 vs 5/384 wL^4/EI), so it's not surprising your walls are a bit lively before you put the straps on. Ancon do loads of builder's metalwork bits like frame cramps that you could use if you wanted to get fussy about degrees of freedom and structural movement and all that.
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:Wow, I can't believe I finally caught up on this thread. What a ride. To summarise: https://i.imgur.com/1XdR2Or.mp4
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Nah, I see a nail gun in there and the cement mixer is metal
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Just marathoned the thread and I have the following comments: 1. That tile roof with the mixed colors is handsome AF. 2. I am literally a licensed geotechnical engineer and your first photo of that pit with all of the glistening clayey soil gave me the willies. Putting piles in was definitely the right thing to do, otherwise your long thin house would be flexing up and down like a bucking bronco as the ground wets and dries with the seasons. Pro tip: make sure your utilities don't have any rigid connections where they enter the house because this movement could still cause problems there in the future. I'm curious if any of your neighbors have basements? 3. The pile installer probably took you for a bit of a ride. You might have had better luck with a specialty contractor who does stuff like underpinning or other kinds of temporary support of existing structures when underground work has to happen close to delicate existing structures. They are usually better prepared to do deep foundation work with smaller equipment in smaller quantities and in tight spaces. The guys you used are probably are used to measuring their productivity in hundreds of feet driven per day. For future reference an engineer probably could have provided some criteria (in terms of minimum blows/foot) that would allow them to stop driving once they reached the required capacity. An exploratory soil boring by an engineer could also have provided data to support a less conservative design. Unclear whether the cost of that extra engineering work would have allowed you to save much money on a job this size though. withak fucked around with this message at 01:27 on May 16, 2023 |
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withak posted:For future reference an engineer probably could have This thread is entirely fueled by engineer brain and you expect him to bring in another one????? (you're totally right) Motronic fucked around with this message at 01:35 on May 16, 2023 |
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Those pilings may be overkill now but they'll pay for themselves ten times over when L House becomes the tether-point for the UK's first orbital space elevator
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Overdesigned piles on a small projects are very common because there are often practical minimums on elements like that that automatically give you more foundation than you may need. Trying to economize can end up with you spending more on engineering effort than you save on construction.
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withak posted:Overdesigned piles on a small projects are very common because there are often practical minimums on elements like that that automatically give you more foundation than you may need. My man did you see what he paid for this foundation? Lol. A few thousand bucks to an engineer and he’d been way ahead.
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Great thread, it's successfully put me off ever wanting to build a house, and I'm never gonna complain about refitting my sailboat that I live on ever again. Also as yet another British expat in Canada, Canada is way better although the cheese (and dairy in general) situation is dire here
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Alctel posted:Great thread, it's successfully put me off ever wanting to build a house, and I'm never gonna complain about refitting my sailboat that I live on ever again. Tbf most people don't take such a rigid/thrifty/perverse definition of "self-build". I keep expecting to open thread and 99 is now milling his own blocks or has started a small steel foundry in the unused breakroom
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Failed Imagineer posted:milling his own blocks
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Failed Imagineer posted:Tbf most people don't take such a rigid/thrifty/perverse definition of "self-build". I keep expecting to open thread and 99 is now milling his own blocks or has started a small steel foundry in the unused breakroom I keep waiting to see what he's gonna plant in the plant room  it's gonna be monstera deliciosa with all the heat and humidity from leaking hoses
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Hadlock posted:I keep waiting to see what he's gonna plant in the plant room I started keeping an artificial fern on my water softener so I can call the mechanical area of my basement the plant room.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I keep expecting to open thread and 99 is now milling his own blocks "It's concrete, how hard could it be to pour into a couple molds?" Always Sunny theme plays. Again
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Hadlock posted:I keep waiting to see what he's gonna plant in the plant room Reynoutria japonica 
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Endjinneer posted:You'd normally tie back internal walls into the ceiling structure. Peak deflection of cantilever loaded by a uniformly distributed goon is about ten times what a simply supported beam gives under the same loading (1/8 vs 5/384 wL^4/EI), so it's not surprising your walls are a bit lively before you put the straps on. Ah. yes some of their stuff is definitely what I was after, but again no one seems to know or stock it. Quick placeholder post whilst I do a bigger post. Been cutting hedge today to keep on side with neighbours. lol one problem with a large and slightly oddball site is i have, i think, 12 direct neighbours plus the highway/council. I'm XxXx years old and I don't think I have managed to maintain 12 decent friends to this point. And now I have 12 people to get along with. gently caress. So anyway this guy is a builder and has given me some free stuff and his garden sucks and I am his solution to that but maybe also he could give me another, useful highway access so maybe I keep him onside. Like a year after its too late. But anyway cut the hedge a bit.  So need to trim this up, still got all the ground I took out for the foundations piled up here, and the actual old stableblock materials piled up. So I'm just chucking the ladder up against this horrible hedge and hacking away at it, having allready done the front side of it.   OK mostly done but couldnt reach the worst of it on the far left, just too far.  Ok now puttign together my real post.
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Looks like you need a giant hedge trimmer arrangement for the digger, like the cool council tractors have. Also, are we up to current time now so we get to see how quickly things progress in Real Time Now{tm}?
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Action movie idea: “A Hedge Too Far”
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Lol one problem with a large and slightly oddball site is i have, i think, 12 direct neighbours plus the highway/council. Posting my L’s in the dodecadon
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legooolas posted:Looks like you need a giant hedge trimmer arrangement for the digger, like the cool council tractors have. My parents pay the farmer behind them a crate of beer a year to run the flail along the top of the hedge once a year. Sadly the digger arm is not properly piped for attachments so not possible I don't think. Yeah we are now in the present day. Cut the hedge yesterday
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Just bolt a few chainsaws onto the bucket.
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DO NOT give blades to the tesla.
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I could probably dangle a lawnmower from the arm and swing it about, but the whole point was to appease the neighbours rather than threaten them with kill dozer style attachment wafted in their direction.
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Personally I wouldn't dare complain to someone with a device like that.
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This is the correct way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2ANE3vLfI
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ImplicitAssembler posted:This is the correct way. AKA the thing they tried to kill James Bond with in The World Is Not Enough.
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aniviron posted:Personally I wouldn't dare complain to someone with a device like that. Right? Same here
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Gasmask posted:some sort of sharpened boomerang "Killed by a flying L" is probably the logical conclusion of all this
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ImplicitAssembler posted:This is the correct way. I was thinking more along these lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3D4FN5cdZk
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The house has two central locations, the house brain and the house heart. The brain is also next to the lungs (the MVHR), not the heart. The nervous system of the house terminates into the brain in the loft (attic). The brain is inside the insulated envelope so I need to have all the different cat6 nerve endings come into that space whilst maintaining the airtight threshold. You can buy some push through gasket thingyies but I need like probably 60 plus penetrations which doesnt seem easy. So I'll make my own. Already got some sheet metal, bought a bunch of rubber grommets. (by the way I'm still posting things on imgur? Is that dumb what should we be using now? Like this isnt porn. i guess some people might get off on it)  centre punched and drill out   ok so that'll go there (ran out of grommets)  now start running all the nerd cable to the various locations. Actual network sockets in rooms, a bunch of sensor data collection places and also cameras and stuff with power over ethernet.  These cable rolls come in 305m crates. Not really sure what the finish is going to be here so plasterboard and skim joints myself which serves if nothing else to remind me I defo need an actual plasterer to do the rest of the house.  lol I go through i think 3 boxes and still run out. Find a guy on ebay selling 4 partly used ones with leftovers and collect that too. He's a policeman so if its stolen at least I'll probably get away with it.  Paint the server cabinet inside and get some cheap laminate for the shelf  Lol all labelled up. just under 72 lines Right, onto the house heart, the plant room Got the 100mm trunking run through to where the consumer unit will be. Already have the main house power routed in under the floor.  Now time to run some wires. So. obviously need an electrician to sign all this off, but I'm not paying some dudes money just to push some little wires down some holes. How hard can that be? So I'm running everything in singles like I did in france because I think its better. So I'll figure everything out, run it all then call in the electrician I spoke to... 3 years ago and assume he's still cool to sign all this off. Like I've googled a lot and done some calculations and I will provide documentation for everything. So best purchase has been this reel roller thing off ebay  Works great  I'm running all my various wires in my various trunks through walls etc   So all that metal trunking will get earthed and lids attached to provide the mandated second level of physical protection to the single sheathed wires But. Its all a massive ballache. when youve got things like this to navigate round. in the loft. climbing up and down, pulling and pushing, fiddling and faffing  Get in the wall  Get outta the wall  So I'm not doing the typical UK rings, I'm doing radials. Youtube said they are better because rings only exist because of wwII. But actually having looked at radials, they arent even really radials so I'm inventing my own radials. Things are kind of naturally sorting themselves out into different elements of the wiring, which ultimately will sort of translate into the different ways on the consumer unit. I've had to do a bunch of calculations to spread load across the three phases and to decide what heft of cable to run in certain places and what gauge of trunking/conduit they need to be in given grouping factors and overheating in insulation, then the uprating of the cable you need to do and so on. Being an electrician is rubbish. Fortunately I'm not one, so onward we go. In the west wing bedroom of the L I will have 3 power rings except not, radials instead. But that would mean running 4mm cross sectionally area wire to each socket and back out on like a bus. Which is a lot of expensive wire. And also probably will not fit down my 20mm conduits I've run down from the variously 50/100mm trunking. I'll have to run down and back up my conduits as I'm not prepared to wall chase horizontally around my walls, as I think they'll fall down. Ah! but my new even more radial radial avoids this. I will utilise my loft space as an area I am prepared to put accessible junction boxes in. Run 4mm wire from plant room consumer unit to 3 junction boxes, then disperse from there in 2.5mm to each socket/ appliance as necessary. Not a ring so no need to return and there should be no confusion for future morons trying to adapt things as any investigations would reveal a non ringed 2.5mm apparent spur. Plus it will all be documented properly like a new build house should be in the house manual.  I think this is the most sensible way to do what I am trying to achieve. In three locations in the loft I am beginning to collect the wiring runs local to that area.  And they will be collected in these junction boxes that will be served from the consumer unit in the plant room. And physically accessible via plasterboarded push to release access hatches. The junction boxes themselves require a screwdriver to open which satisfies building regs regarding electrcs not being accessible without tools.  They are mounted on some timber in front of the trunking carrying all the wiring behind and linked with two turns of 32mm plastic conduit.  Then mounted on the rail in blocks of Wago connectors to link up lives, neutrals and earths.  start connecting in the wire vomit  sexual wiring on toast, electricians will want to be me  concentrate and dont lose track or it can all look a little... hairbrained  So most of these runs are just to various sockets, but some are for particular things that require fused swiches. So I'll collect those together in the loft and provide another access hatch to power cycle/problem(there wont be any)shoot those.  So thats Family bathroom, shower, bath, shaver socket, and front door as handy. then run in flex or whatever down to the actual appliance. fitting? dunno the right terminology  Here is one of the three loft junction boxes complete with lid and laminated instructions/labels as to what everything in it is and where it goes and what it does.  Whilst we have 3 phase power, everything basically runs on a single phase, you just jiggle the about between which phase they are on. Briefly consider a 3 phase hob and maybe ovens as maybe it helps some of the calcs and maybe they do that in europe (?) but ultimately no. Single phase it. The car chargers are 3 phase. So they are 10mm cross section cable x 5 (earth,neutral,phase,phase,phase). Which will allow two 22kw car chargers. except that breaks the limits if everything else is running lol. So even on 3 phase I probably will have to have one 22kw charger and one 7kw. But I'll put the wiring in anyway. The model 3 and Y can only charge at 11kw AC anyway. these are fat wires  Turns out even though the calcs say they will fit in the trunking, I cannot physically get them to run through the wall in flexible conduit and into the trunking at 90 degrees and turn round and get the lids on. Need to change and run the car chargers all the way down the access triangles in their own 32mm plastic conduit before terminating into the 100mm trunking straight on rather than the 50mm at 90degrees. You can kind of see the same issue here behind the junction boxes where I haven't yet bent the wires round into the trunking and got the lids on.  Right so thats most of the wiring in the bedroom wing sort of explained? I feel like? Seperate to that, but in the same house, this one, and having to terminate in the plant room is all the lighting in the main room, which I am now calling the great room. Theres going to be 36 spot lights arrayed around the oak beams, and, I want them individually addressable. Each light will run a 1.5mm c/s live, neutral and earth from the light back to a lighting box next to the consumer unit in the plantroom. This fits in the calcs, which can also be approximated by the 45% fill rule. as in the wires should take up less than half the volume of the trunking.   As mentioned though this is all a massive ballache. like the wires fall out and get stuck on everything going meaning I have to climb up and down a million times more than should be necessary.   But. I have a problem with the calculations. they're fine when things are straight. but when things go around the corners in the trunking with the big fat lid fitting etc it all gets very tight.  I've removed the lids to get access and used cable ties, but theres no way this is going to work.  So new plan. Need to maintain individual addressability to each light. But we can just share all the neutral and earths and just leave lives as individually switched back in the lighting control unit. so like this:  removes like up to 2/3rds of bulk of wiring. should really have thought/done this before. Unfortunately I have only realised this halfway through the first half of the vaulted room wiring. so I need to pull back everything i've done there, seperate the lives from the earths and neutrals, retain and resend the lives whilst redoing the the earth/neutrals as essentially a radial bus. pulling back and through all the conduits and trunks. Its moments like this that you really enjoy being a self builder. drag all that poo poo out in the plant room to figure out whats what  Collecting up and labelling the live wires (like when I say live, I don't mean actually live, I mean eventually live lol)  Stripping back out and collecting up all the wasted earth/neutral, I'll reuse best I can  Anyway I get that all sorted and loom together a big old live wire loom for the south side of the roof spotlights and send it through. A lot of work to redo. I'm weeks now into this wiring. I know I suck but looking online at other peoples quotes I do think an electrician would be quoting 30-50k for all this, and I can understand why cos design aside ultimately you've got man hours just poking things up things. Mum and dad arrive in the camper which means the new break room has a fridge with beers, wine, gin and tonics and whisky and gingers so progress drops to a new low but also a new high  Literally today I've got my second spotlight ceiling live loom finished    Obviouskly been recording all this on site in great detail  but updating at home each night  Things are a lot tidier on the trunking runs, but yeah theres stil a lot there   Getting there. Just really the utility room stuff and bedroom lighting to do. Then like the whole connecting them all up and stuff. gently caress me.
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What in the technicolor gently caress.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Now time to run some wires. So. obviously need an electrician to sign all this off, but I'm not paying some dudes money just to push some little wires down some holes. How hard can that be? So I'm running everything in singles like I did in france because I think its better. So I'll figure everything out, run it all then call in the electrician I spoke to... 3 years ago and assume he's still cool to sign all this off. Like I've googled a lot and done some calculations and I will provide documentation for everything. NotJustANumber99 posted:So I'm not doing the typical UK rings, I'm doing radials. Youtube said they are better because rings only exist because of wwII. But actually having looked at radials, they arent even really radials so I'm inventing my own radials. Amazing.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The house has two central locations, the house brain and the house heart. It's like 99 finished the house in one draft and like, turned it in and decided to go with it, without anyone saying that it made no sense at all and that it was a stupid, incoherent mess. I guess at this point, who's going to question 99 and tell him what to do? He controls every aspect of the build. He probably got rid of those people who questioned him creatively a long time ago.
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I like you and your thread and your house, but you really need to watch that star wars review, and also maybe get some expert opinion on your wiring
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You're out of your goddamn mind, just absolutely bonkers. individually controlling every light in the ceiling of a room, with 36 lights in it, via the power isntead of using smart bulbs, even though the home is wired with ten thousand miles of ethernet cable, individual runs for every socket (and more sockets than a cubical farm at a tech company) because nobody told you what an ethernet switch is notjustanumber99 personally consuming ten percent of the UK's copper production in one go just wild as hell I mean I appreciate it, especially your dedication to documenting everything which I genuinely love, I write documentation for a living and it warms the cockles it really really does but dear god
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