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Has Imu spoken before now? Wondering if we can narrow down the gender by way of anime VA
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luchadornado posted:Speaking of swords, does Zoro get any new swords, or does he keep the three he currently has? Does one or more of them become a black blade and rank up? So many people thought he was gonna swap out his sandai kitetsu for the nidai kitetsu since it's the literal next upgrade and got introduced at the start of the wano arc, but lol nope. Maybe he will get the shodai kitetsu in the future (which would be his first Supreme grade sword, both Enma and Wado Ichimonji are Great Grade Swords).
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May 22, 2023 03:08
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hatty posted:Has Imu spoken before now? Wondering if we can narrow down the gender by way of anime VA No, this is their first spoken line
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May 22, 2023 03:08
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U-DO Burger posted:I got the impression that the 19 swords thing wasn't a secret, more like a historical curiosity. Is it really a big scandal for the Nefeltaris to be revealed to the world to be a clan of dipshits who chose a lesser life (from the Celestial Dragons' perspective)? Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. I got the impression it's open knowledge, at least among the WG and the other royalty of the world, that they were a founding family that then returned home instead of remaining as a CD. In contrast, Doflamingo's family attempting to step down as CDs seemed to be more of a scandal, and something they wanted to keep quiet.
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May 22, 2023 03:09
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Julias posted:No, this is their first spoken line And it’ll probably be next year before the anime even reaches this point
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May 22, 2023 03:18
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Didn't Imu talk about Lulusia never existing when they obliterated it?
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May 22, 2023 03:22
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Waffleman_ posted:Didn't Imu talk about Lulusia never existing when they obliterated it? Nope, that was the Elder Stars. This was Imu’s first spoken line Larryb fucked around with this message at 03:41 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 03:26
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I do at least respect the shady as hell World Government folks and the original 19 who took charge being like "Sure, we ~could~ just grab a sword, add it in front of the throne, and revise history/the narrative a bit, but let's not do that." It makes me wonder if there's more at work to all that than just the symbolism of it all, like would something bad actually happen to them if they tried to fake that? When they've got secrets that are worth blowing up places to keep, it seems like this was a secret that could've been covered up with minimal effort.
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May 22, 2023 03:43
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Also, do even the other Celestial Dragons know about Imu or just the 5 at the top (I assume Doffy found out though and that’s at least part of the leverage he had over the WG)
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May 22, 2023 04:07
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Imu is Kuina
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May 22, 2023 04:28
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hatty posted:Has Imu spoken before now? Wondering if we can narrow down the gender by way of anime VA Yeah good luck with that. Chopper, Luffy and Yamato are all voiced by women.
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May 22, 2023 04:39
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I get the feeling that we might know at least that much by the time the anime gets to this if they don't just cut away
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May 22, 2023 04:45
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the flashback is currently what sabo learned, so it'd be kind of weird for oda to cut away now considering like the whole point is to clear up what the gently caress happened with cobra
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May 22, 2023 04:50
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Waffleman_ posted:I get the feeling that we might know at least that much by the time the anime gets to this
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May 22, 2023 04:53
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Sabo could be interrupted as he's telling Dragon!
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May 22, 2023 04:53
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Through Enma and others we've seen that swords can have personalities and/or wills. The placing of the 19 swords at the foot of the throne wasn't a symbolic gesture, it was a way to literally combine the manifestation of the might of many kingdoms, through their swords, into one figure: Imu. With all 20 kingdoms participating, it would have created a figure powerful enough to forever enslave everyone on the planet, a "god" similar to that of Nika, but not built out of the hope for freedom, but the fear of enslavement. Lili's choice to not participate in this plan left the world just free enough to exist as it does now. Also, maybe Lili's and Vivi's names point to other concepts. (Liberation? Victory?)
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May 22, 2023 05:04
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The 20th sword was stabbed into Whitebeard to power him up.
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Super Rad posted:The 20th sword was stabbed into Whitebeard to power him up. This adds up, how did Squardo get the sword though? Unless he's Vivi's secret brother?
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May 22, 2023 05:52
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Sabo: and then Imu said "the d of"-- Dragon: hollup, next page is about kuma LFG
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May 22, 2023 05:53
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Larryb posted:Also, do even the other Celestial Dragons know about Imu or just the 5 at the top (I assume Doffy found out though and that’s at least part of the leverage he had over the WG) I imagine the Five Elders are the only ones in the know, but that could be wrong.
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May 22, 2023 06:05
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The Five Elders were the only people in the world who knew of Imu's existence.
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May 22, 2023 06:25
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MorningMoon posted:Sabo: and then Imu said "the d of"-- If papa bear gets his mind back and we get good bio-dad #3 hugging his daughter? Worth it. Man, are there any good dads for their sons? Seems like it's all daughters with good bio-dads.
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May 22, 2023 07:55
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Gyges posted:Man, are there any good dads for their sons? Seems like it's all daughters with good bio-dads. 
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May 22, 2023 08:14
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Kohza's dad was alright.
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May 22, 2023 12:30
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im is the world government klabautermann
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Larryb posted:Also, do even the other Celestial Dragons know about Imu or just the 5 at the top (I assume Doffy found out though and that’s at least part of the leverage he had over the WG) They definitely don’t know. The Celestial Dragons are the main people the Empty Throne thing is meant to deceive; the idea is that the 20 families are supposed to share power with each other. That’s a weird irony, come to think of it. Imu being publicly revealed might cause some conflict among the Celestial Dragons. Anti-Imu CDs would still be enemies of the Revolutionaries and anyone else who doesn’t like tyranny, of course, but they might still cause problems for Imu. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 13:22
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Silver2195 posted:They definitely don’t know. The Celestial Dragons are the main people the Empty Throne thing is meant to deceive; the idea is that the 20 families are supposed to share power with each other. The entire setup seems tailor-made to kill any ambition among the Celestial Dragons. Nothing to aspire to, nothing that ever needs to be worked for, not even any reason to be able to defend oneself competently. My theory - And THAT’s why we’ve never seen them use devil fruits for themselves when they clearly have the means to obtain them - because in this setting, power derives from dreams, and theirs are purposefully stunted. And that’s also why Mjosgard is the only “normal” Celestial Dragon we’ve seen to use a melee weapon - because Otohime gave him a dream, and that gave him the literal strength to act for himself. Corollary - guns are morally wrong in-setting and Lucky Roux using one is deep foreshadowing that the Red Hair pirates are villains. Garp is moral because he throws his cannonballs. Usopp no longer using the cannon is an act of character development. Lasers, obviously, do not count - or else Franky is a secret traitor. CommunityEdition fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 14:26
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CommunityEdition posted:My theory - And THAT’s why we’ve never seen them use devil fruits for themselves when they clearly have the means to obtain them - because in this setting, power derives from dreams, and theirs are purposefully stunted. And that’s also why Mjosgard is the only “normal” Celestial Dragon we’ve seen to use a melee weapon - because Otohime gave him a dream, and that gave him the literal strength to act for himself.
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Imu is lily, crocodile, and luffy's mom
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Silver2195 posted:They definitely don’t know. The Celestial Dragons are the main people the Empty Throne thing is meant to deceive; the idea is that the 20 families are supposed to share power with each other. As I said, I suspect Doffy might know something at least (which would explain why he had so much more sway over the government than the other warlords despite his family abandoning the Celestial Dragons and why he’s currently locked up deep within Mariejois) Sort of makes me curious why Imu decided to reveal themselves to Cobra prior to killing him but I assume that’ll be answered next chapter if we don’t cut away Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:44 on May 22, 2023 |
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May 22, 2023 15:40
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imu bored
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CommunityEdition posted:Corollary - guns are morally wrong in-setting and Lucky Roux using one is deep foreshadowing that the Red Hair pirates are villains. Garp is moral because he throws his cannonballs. Usopp no longer using the cannon is an act of character development. Lasers, obviously, do not count - or else Franky is a secret traitor. What about Izo and Bellemere? And there are a lot of minor Skypeia and Water 7 characters who use guns and clearly aren't meant to be bad guys. Characters who carry guns everywhere but have no particular skill in using them are almost always evil, though.
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Larryb posted:As I said, I suspect Doffy might know something at least (which would explain why he had so much more sway over the government than the other warlords despite his family abandoning the Celestial Dragons and why he’s currently locked up deep within Mariejois) Lily is obviously personally significant to Imu somehow.
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CommunityEdition posted:Corollary - guns are morally wrong in-setting and Lucky Roux using one is deep foreshadowing that the Red Hair pirates are villains. Garp is moral because he throws his cannonballs. Usopp no longer using the cannon is an act of character development. Lasers, obviously, do not count - or else Franky is a secret traitor. 
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Pureauthor posted:Lily is obviously personally significant to Imu somehow. True, by either literally being them or being someone who was close to them (I personally like the theory that Lily was the original holder of the Op-Op fruit and performed the immortality operation on Imu)
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Do you think Lily had a cool pet duck too. I hope she did and I hope we get to see it in the flashback. I hope Karoo is reunited with Vivi soon.
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May 22, 2023 16:39
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Exactly!
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Did I miss something? How does he know about what happened in the throne room? Does Dragon know about Imu? Otherwise wouldn’t they all be freaking out?
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ManSedan posted:Did I miss something? How does he know about what happened in the throne room? Does Dragon know about Imu? Otherwise wouldn’t they all be freaking out? viola is at reverie
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ManSedan posted:Did I miss something? How does he know about what happened in the throne room? Does Dragon know about Imu? Otherwise wouldn’t they all be freaking out? I'm not sure what you're referring to but Dragon was on the call with Sabo where he said the thone wasn't empty just before they got cut off. Sabo is now in the middle of telling the entire story (tho I can't remember what Dragon has been saying, but so far I don't think anyone "knows" about Imu but the story is explicitly about what Sabo saw that day, but at the very least the whole "there's someone who sits on the empty throne" at least is not brand new information)
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