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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I'm sure it was happening before 2005. I'm just saying that tens of thousands of people were asking Epstein for money in 1993 and it was not publicly known until 2005. So, I don't think every hospital, charity, synagogue, politician, etc. who was coming to him for donations in 1993 were doing it because they were pedophiles. Sure but I don't think many hospitals, charities, or synagogues were approaching him about sex slaves before or after 2005. I would be willing to bet, despite lack of verifiable evidence, that plenty of politicians and other famous or non-famous rich people were.
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Failed Imagineer posted:the Epstein Sex Trafficking Ring Defender has logged on Maybe they're super into Chris Tucker.
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May 22, 2023 21:10
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More documents stuff:quote:Donald Trump's lawyer told the former president he could not hold onto classified materials after he was ordered to hand them over, and federal prosecutors have proof.
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May 22, 2023 21:11
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Professor Beetus posted:Sure but I don't think many hospitals, charities, or synagogues were approaching him about sex slaves before or after 2005. I would be willing to bet, despite lack of verifiable evidence, that plenty of politicians and other famous or non-famous rich people were. Right. I agree. I'm just saying that in 1993 lots of people were asking him for money and he didn't get "private island rich" until his hedge fund launched in the early 2000's. I don't think the vast majority of people asking him for money in 1993 were pedophiles and were asking him because he was a famous person who donated a lot of money to charities, schools, and politicians. "Went to the same fundraiser in 1993" probably isn't enough evidence to confirm that someone is a pedophile.
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May 22, 2023 21:11
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Right. I agree. The initial post that kicked this off was about Bill Clinton though.
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May 22, 2023 21:41
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Right. I agree. Are you aware that you are defending someone from being accused of being a pedophile because of their relationship with Epstein who doesn't exist? You've decided to white knight some hypothetical 'random acquaintance' who met him at a hypothetical fundraiser for some reason. Like, why? Just stop.
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May 22, 2023 21:45
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No, let them keep digging. I want to see how far down they can go. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 22, 2023 21:47
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Murgos posted:Are you aware that you are defending someone from being accused of being a pedophile because of their relationship with Epstein who doesn't exist? You've decided to white knight some hypothetical 'random acquaintance' who met him at a hypothetical fundraiser for some reason. They were clearly talking about Bill Clinton.
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May 22, 2023 21:55
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Murgos posted:Are you aware that you are defending someone from being accused of being a pedophile because of their relationship with Epstein who doesn't exist? You've decided to white knight some hypothetical 'random acquaintance' who met him at a hypothetical fundraiser for some reason. Everyone pretty much agrees, though. We were just talking about different factors. Someone said that asking him for money or buddying up in 1993 was proof they were a pedophile. Most people didn't know and/or he hadn't started doing it at that point, so most of the tens of thousands of people who asked for money in 1993 probably weren't doing it because they are pedophiles, but if he was active at that point, then some people probably were. People who chose to ask him for money after 2005 are much more suspect than those who did it before it was public knowledge/started happening. Asking for money from him in 1993 isn't definitive proof that someone is a pedophile, but it is something to consider. Is there anything there you disagree with?
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Murgos posted:More documents stuff: Cargo cult crime boss strikes again. Looking forward to a lot of argument about how to pronounce "valet" in the future.
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May 22, 2023 22:30
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Take 2: https://twitter.com/Victorshi2020/status/1660759131123494912
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Murgos posted:More documents stuff: Corcoran eat the notes. What do you mean you don't eat your notes?
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Prosecutors Sought Records on Trump’s Foreign Business Deals Since 2017quote:Federal prosecutors overseeing the investigation into former President Donald J. Trump’s handling of classified documents have issued a subpoena for information about Mr. Trump’s business dealings in foreign countries since he took office, according to two people familiar with the matter. So it seems he was using the classified info to prop up his business - either selling state secrets directly, or using the information to influence foreign leaders to support his ventures.
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 https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/22/e-jean-carroll-seeks-very-substantial-damages-from-trump-over-cnn-town-hall-remarks.html She's asking for her original $5 million to be changed to $10 million after his CNN remarks. "E. Jean Carroll filed court papers Monday seeking “very substantial” monetary damages from Donald Trump for making scathing remarks about her at a CNN town hall a day after the former president lost a $5 million lawsuit to the writer. Carroll now is seeking no less than $10 million from Trump in damages in her original lawsuit in light of what he said May 10 on CNN. The move came as her lawyers asked a Manhattan federal court judge for permission to amend that first defamation lawsuit, which she lodged against Trump in 2019, to reflect his new statements on CNN about her, which they say also are defamatory. “Trump’s defamatory statements post-verdict show the depth of his malice toward Carroll since it is hard to imagine defamatory conduct that could possibly be more motivated by hatred, ill will, or spite,” the proposed amended complaint said. “This conduct supports a very substantial punitive damages award in Carroll’s favor both to punish Trump, to deter him from engaging in further defamation, and to deter others from doing the same,” the complaint said."
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May 23, 2023 01:37
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No one will ever convince me that Jared Kushner’s 2 billion hedge fund is legit.
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May 23, 2023 01:40
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Deteriorata posted:Prosecutors Sought Records on Trump’s Foreign Business Deals Since 2017 It's going to be really freaking weird if he's get the GOP nomination and he's under investigation or even charged with leaking/selling state secrets.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:It's going to be really freaking weird if he's get the GOP nomination and he's under investigation or even charged with leaking/selling state secrets. I really expected that the GOP would be desperately cutting any ties to him but whelp. I guess that’d only stand a chance if everyone dropped off, and no one wants to be first. Looks like it’s gonna be a real loving interesting year.
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May 23, 2023 05:14
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It always seemed to me that epstein was a free market agent, working for hire, who would befriend a target, get them in a compromised position, document it, show it to them, and have two copies exist: the person that hired epstein for the hit, and epstein himself. Working for billionaires and media moguls and intelligence agencies and so on. To own senators and judges or forward a fascist plot. While indulging his sick fetish of power over young girls. Like, isnt it obvious blackmail is all over everything? His fortune, his infamy? I even figure it likely trump had epstein arrested, murdered, enter his kompromat master list into classified fbi doc, then snuck off with it alongside the nuclear secrets. And i dont think I'm being dramatic
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Uglycat posted:It always seemed to me that epstein was a free market agent, working for hire, who would befriend a target, get them in a compromised position, document it, show it to them, and have two copies exist: the person that hired epstein for the hit, and epstein himself. Working for billionaires and media moguls and intelligence agencies and so on. To own senators and judges or forward a fascist plot. While indulging his sick fetish of power over young girls. Epstein's behavior is that of any pimp, exploiting the vulnerable. Conspiratorial nefariousness involving intelligence agencies is possible, but not necessary to this kind of behavior. Bad practice to extort billionaires though, real estate guys in particular tend to be mobbed up almost by necessity.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:It's going to be really freaking weird if he's get the GOP nomination and he's under investigation or even charged with leaking/selling state secrets. I really don't mean to be all Doomy or whatever, but we really do seem to be past crime mattering, at least when it comes to the rich. I mean, we were there before, but there were limits. Nixon resigned, Madoff died in prison, there was some degree of mattering. People lost faith in leaders who were proven to have committed serious crimes. But now, it just doesn't seem to matter to anyone. "Sure, Trump did horribly illegal poo poo and very likely seriously compromised national security, but who cares? There's an R next to his name so we simply refuse to do anything about it." And there's just no recourse. No one who can do anything about this is willing to. Sure, he lost a civil case, but all he needs to do is illegally funnel campaign funds to make it go away. We know he's done it before, and suffered zero consequences for it. Of course he'll just do it again. The Bible fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 23, 2023 |
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If the core of your argument involves someone in Trump's circle both making a plan and executing it successfully, I think you might be missing the mark. If Trump had any knowledge of it whatsoever he'd be bragging every day about how he killed Epstein
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Should be a gift link so I think you can read the entire thing, but I will quote it as well: Special Counsel Is Wrapping Up Trump Mar-a-Lago Probe Some Trump associates anticipate an indictment—and raising funds off it https://www.wsj.com/articles/specia...share_permalink quote:WASHINGTON—Special counsel Jack Smith has all but finished obtaining testimony and other evidence in his criminal investigation into whether former President Donald Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, according to people familiar with the matter.
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Trump Criminal Trial Scheduled for March 2024quote:The trial of Donald J. Trump has been scheduled for March 25, 2024, the judge presiding over his Manhattan criminal case said at a hearing on Tuesday. Mark your calendar. 
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Christ, the fraudulent charges are from loving 2016. 7 years later they finally get the case to a judge and now we're on hold for another loving year?!? Somebody explain to me how wire fraud takes 8 goddamn years to prosecute
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Xiahou Dun posted:I really expected that the GOP would be desperately cutting any ties to him but whelp. I guess that’d only stand a chance if everyone dropped off, and no one wants to be first. If the GOP could get rid of Trump without losing voters they do it. Remember, the GOP Old Guard absolutely loving despises Trump. The thing is that he's still popular with multiple active criminal investigations, a failed attempted coup and god knows what other skeletons are in the closet. With that, the GOP are starting to distance themselves but more importantly the GOP in an official capacity is no longer supporting him with their army of political consultants. Past doners including mega donors that have donated multiple millions are likely to sit this election out especially if Trump is the nominee. That is a super big deal and one the GOP is able to largely able to hide from their base and the public. The Bible posted:
He hasn't suffered zero consequences? I mean, it is pretty wild that he has been able to get this far but history is full of rich assholes breaking the law. As a president, much of his legislation didn't even pass. There are so many active criminal investigations, it's only a matter of time before one of them hits. At this point, he's longer in office, his party is trying to abandon him, he's losing funding and swing voters have had enough. You can't get lucky forever... Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 23, 2023 |
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:If the GOP could get rid of Trump without losing voters they do it. Remember, the GOP Old Guard absolutely loving despises Trump. The thing is that he's still extremely unpopular with multiple active criminal investigations, a failed attempted coup and god knows what other skeletons are in the closet. Quoting this post for when he wins the Electoral College next year. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BiggerBoat posted:Quoting this post for when he wins the Electoral College next year. Don't get me wrong, he  could but this now 2024. Not 2020. A lot has changed. He won not necessarily because he's a skillful politician but he plays a character incredibly well that appeals to a huge part of the American Psyche and fundamental shifts in American Politics such as the "Blue Wall" going red.Do you think his chances of winning in 2024 are higher than they were in the past? If so, why?
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I bet he'll end up in jail, but still win the presidency, and it'll be up to New York to decide whether they let him out or not. Because this is the funniest timeline he'll probably be running the country from lockup.
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Deteriorata posted:Trump Criminal Trial Scheduled for March 2024 lol I think I'll keep my calendar open and do literally anything else that day other than watch the American criminal justice system completely fail to hold a rich white man to account for the sixteen billionth time.
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mutata posted:lol I think I'll keep my calendar open and do literally anything else that day other than watch the American criminal justice system completely fail to hold a rich white man to account for the sixteen billionth time. Please do keep us posted on all the things you intend to not do Judge Schnoopy posted:Christ, the fraudulent charges are from loving 2016. 7 years later they finally get the case to a judge and now we're on hold for another loving year?!? Four years for his presidency, during which you don't even bother to investigate, and four years for actually building the felony case and making sure all of the necessary witnesses are reliable? It's a very atypical investigation so I imagine they double and triple checked everything to make sure it's airtight. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 22:43 on May 23, 2023 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:Please do keep us posted on all the things you intend to not do Cool, man, please definitely keep us updated with more stuff you imagine.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Don't get me wrong, he I'd say they're roughly the same as 2016 and 2020. Most of it has to do with his opponent and the extreme lack of enthusiasm, excitement and passion that he generates along with the lack of any genuine accomplishments he can hang his hat on. Biden is very old and noticeably suffering in the cognitive area. He doesn't inspire anybody and no one views him as that solution to much of anything. Trump's base seems to take every indictment, verdict, investigation and accusation as validation of the Deep State and something resembling a badge of honor that only proves everyone is out to nail Trump. The MAGA base is dug in, HARD, and just keep doubling down every time he fucks up or does/says something stupid. They LIKE it. There's not a LOT of them, but there's more than I'm comfortable writing off, and as we know, Trump doesn't have to win the popular vote. Trump has an entire RWM apparatus at his disposal that has a large reach and kisses his rear end. Members of his party either have his back or refuse to speak out against him because they know their base. They LOVE this stupid motherfucker and demonstrate a passion for him that no one on the Democratic side of the aisle can even pretend to claim. Hell, no one on the right can either. It's insane. A lot of why I think he can win is anecdotal, down to a vibe and my full and total realization that the US populace largely consists of abject morons and angry, very misinformed and heavily armed aggressive frightened people who view this man as Jesus Christ. I'm hard pressed to think of a political candidate in my lifetime that's inspired this cult like level of dedication. Especially for someone who lost. Stickers, flags, t-shirts and hats abound. Can we name another political candidate where that's true? Biden will have to campaign somewhat this time as well and carries the weight of disapproval ratings that are almost as low as Donald's are. Hypothetical head to head polls show Biden ahead by like 3% or 5% and we've seen how an election can swing with the EC based on that spread. Joe still has some time left to gently caress up or have something terrible happen between now and then as well and seems primed for a recession to hit just in time for the campaign. I think GOP voters will turn out and that there aren't enough "moderates" to offset that. TL/DR: Mostly because Americans are kind of dumb and a disturbing amount of them are full on and all in for fascism.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I bet he'll end up in jail, but still win the presidency, and it'll be up to New York to decide whether they let him out or not. Trump is not going to go to jail
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Reminder that Saudi Arabia is still funneling money to Trump through Liv Golf by booking a bunch of his courses. He's not lost all of his foreign bank rolling (yet)
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Reminder that Saudi Arabia is still funneling money to Trump through Liv Golf by booking a bunch of his courses. He's not lost all of his foreign bank rolling (yet) Yes but if we know that, I’m assuming Jack Smith does too. Him of all the recent subpoenas.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:He hasn't suffered zero consequences? I mean, it is pretty wild that he has been able to get this far but history is full of rich assholes breaking the law. As a president, much of his legislation didn't even pass. There are so many active criminal investigations, it's only a matter of time before one of them hits. At this point, he's longer in office, his party is trying to abandon him, he's losing funding and swing voters have had enough. For illegally paying off Stormy Daniels? Check my post again, because I was specifically referring to misappropriating campaign funds. Yeah, zero consequences. He got away with that. He was busted doing it, caught dead to rights, and prosecution just... didn't do poo poo. He'll absolutely do it again, because why wouldn't he? And yeah, you can't get lucky forever, but this isn't luck, its naked corruption. He isn't evading charges because of a bunch of comical bungling and and technicalities. People in charge are simply refusing to act on his crimes (at least, in any fashion that could ever result in real consequences for him), and I see no reason to believe that they are suddenly going to start. The Bible fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 24, 2023 |
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Don't get me wrong, he Well, if the economy truly tanks Trump will have an easier time in 2024 than in 2016.
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Yeah, it's really all going to depend on the economy. The 2022 Mid-terms made it very clear that the anti-Republican force which came out in 2020 didn't just decide that politics were over once Trump was gone. And the GOP hasn't backed down from any of the things that made 2022 a bad year for them. If the economy stays at this level, it's hard to see how Trump wins in 2024 because literally nothing will be going better for them - Trump will be 4 years older, still harping on how he won 2024, and the party will still be screaming about national 6 week abortion bans and anti-trans bills. But if the economy tanks, like from the GOP enforcing a governmnet default due to the debt ceiling, all bets are off, because BiggerBoat posted:TL/DR: Mostly because Americans are kind of dumb and a disturbing amount of them are full on and all in for fascism.
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