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MartingaleJack
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.
I just finished Vita Nostra and it was revealed to me that I am and have always been a verb in the interrogative mood. Wtf

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pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

oh poo poo book 2 got translated

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Has anyone read the archive undying and would you recommend it?

I didn't realize it was out yet — everyone I know who got an early copy really liked it. I haven't read it myself, but there was enough positive noise from people I trust that it's pretty high on my list.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

HopperUK posted:

I actually can't stand his stuff but I have an affection for it anyway because it's just Discworld to me.

And pretty much every other "humorous" fantasy novel published for a decade or so after Discworld took off.

I've got some older books with his cover art on, and it's actually pretty decent before he went into his "everyone and everything is knurled and blobby" period, but I suppose it's unfair to ding a commercial artist for painting what people pay for...

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
I respect Kirby, but Paul Kidby is the superior Discworld artist.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Megazver posted:

I respect Kirby, but Paul Kidby is the superior Discworld artist.

bzz wrong

kIrby defined discworld kidy merely depicted it attractively

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

fez_machine posted:

bzz wrong

kIrby defined discworld kidy merely depicted it attractively

Kirby didn't define anything, his covers were generic fantasy art (albeit bespoke). He was doing it before Discworld, he did it after. And he drew Twoflower as literally having four eyes because he somehow missed the joke that the character wears glasses. Paul Kidby is the one who created the definitive Discworld illustrations.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Jedit posted:

Kirby didn't define anything, his covers were generic fantasy art (albeit bespoke). He was doing it before Discworld, he did it after. And he drew Twoflower as literally having four eyes because he somehow missed the joke that the character wears glasses. Paul Kidby is the one who created the definitive Discworld illustrations.

Definitive enough that his Death/Rincewind/Twoflower designs got pinched (with acknowledgment) by the recent Amazing Maurice movie (which I heartily recommend).

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

pseudorandom name posted:

oh poo poo book 2 got translated

Yes! I was just looking for something to read. Something about the first one really stayed with me.

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

Runcible Cat posted:

And pretty much every other "humorous" fantasy novel published for a decade or so after Discworld took off.

I've got some older books with his cover art on, and it's actually pretty decent before he went into his "everyone and everything is knurled and blobby" period, but I suppose it's unfair to ding a commercial artist for painting what people pay for...

Given I started this tangent, I wouldn't say I love his work either but it is such an intrinsic part of my reading experience in the 1990s - I can't imagine TP's Strata with another cover, or the majipoor books etc

Sailor Viy
Aug 4, 2013

And when I can swim no longer, if I have not reached Aslan's country, or shot over the edge of the world into some vast cataract, I shall sink with my nose to the sunrise.

Any recommendations of Cthulhu Mythos* stories or novels that are set in, or deal with, the distant future? I'm specifically interested in stuff that's linked to the themes of "The Shadow Out of Time"--the vastness of the future, extinction of humanity, that sort of thing--rather than just a story that has spaceships and also Cthulhu.

I recently read "The Discovery of the Ghooric Zone", which absolutely nailed this, and now I want more.

*or just Mythos-adjacent

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
There's one called The void by Brett Talley that is in the distant future and has spaceships and potentially Cthulhu (haven't read it in a long time and can't remember).

Basically when they warp the ship to go ftl, everyone has creepy dreams while in stasis, and then it gets worse, and then poo poo gets real.


The obelisk by Ari marmell is basically near future but deals with a massive extinction event and weird creepy obelisks and Boogeymen. Starts with the ISS astronauts waking up and realizing the entire planet is covered in dust and no one is answering comms. Then it gets worse.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I'm reading Hodgson's The Night Land which is relevant but also a big slog towards the end, so I don't know that I'd recommend it, exactly. The language is also weirdly archaic, not sure if that'll put you off or not. It's public domain in the US!

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

pradmer posted:

Empire of Sand (Books of Ambha #1) by Tasha Suri - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B8J34CC/
This book's great. I haven't seen a positive take on arranged marriages handled so well, it has dancing magic in a really fun way, and I really enjoyed a lot of the worldbuilding.

That said--if you've read Tasha Suri's later stuff (The Jasmine Throne, The Oleander Sword) this book'll feel like a step down in quality. She definitely got better at both writing a pining romance and at making loving cool worldbuilding choices.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Sailor Viy posted:

Any recommendations of Cthulhu Mythos* stories or novels that are set in, or deal with, the distant future? I'm specifically interested in stuff that's linked to the themes of "The Shadow Out of Time"--the vastness of the future, extinction of humanity, that sort of thing--rather than just a story that has spaceships and also Cthulhu.

I recently read "The Discovery of the Ghooric Zone", which absolutely nailed this, and now I want more.

*or just Mythos-adjacent

Sailor Viy posted:

Any recommendations of Cthulhu Mythos* stories or novels that are set in, or deal with, the distant future? I'm specifically interested in stuff that's linked to the themes of "The Shadow Out of Time"--the vastness of the future, extinction of humanity, that sort of thing--rather than just a story that has spaceships and also Cthulhu.

I recently read "The Discovery of the Ghooric Zone", which absolutely nailed this, and now I want more.

*or just Mythos-adjacent

I’m not sure which side of the “Cthulhu with spaceships” line they fall on but there are a couple of short stories by Elizabeth Bear, one of which is called “Mongoose” that are explicitly Lovecraft in space in a decaying universe

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
America got extremely lame cover art so Kidby is the canonical Discworld artist in my mind, due to The Last Hero :allears:

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

I am enjoying the new Ann Leckie. The presger translators were some of my favorite parts of the original trilogy and this book heavily focuses on them and they are appropriately weird af

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Is the new Ann Leckie something I'm going to need to remember stuff from the previous books about, or is it reasonably self-contained?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

fritz posted:

Is the new Ann Leckie something I'm going to need to remember stuff from the previous books about, or is it reasonably self-contained?

It's completely self contained. No crossover characters (at least so far) and it takes place outside Raadch space but the general political situation is where things ended at the closing of the original trilogy with the AIs demanding recognition under the presger treaty and a conclave called as a result which everybody is freaking out about.

MisterBear
Aug 16, 2013

MartingaleJack posted:

I just finished Vita Nostra and it was revealed to me that I am and have always been a verb in the interrogative mood. Wtf

I finished it as well earlier this week after hearing it be mentioned/recommended several times round these parts.

I enjoyed it for the setting and the being a different take on the ‘magic school’ story and the wanting to know wtf is going on and it’s written in a way that I want to keep reading it.

On the other hand, by the end I’m still no closer to having any idea wtf is going on, pretty much everyone in it is a dick, and most of the book send to consist of the main character shunning other people and having descriptions of her staring at book pages (other than the exciting interlude where it’s described how she listens to a CD instead). The other characters aren’t wholly meaningful for the plot, or other wise interesting. I ended the book being quite confused about why I’d enjoyed reading it and uncertain whether I can be bothered to read the next instalment of “Sasha attempts to comprehend that which cannot be comprehended”.

8/10 - wtf

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
That's actually kinda piqued my interest. How much romance/sex is there in Vita Nostra?

MartingaleJack
Aug 26, 2004

I'll split you open and I don't even like coconuts.
There is one very brief scene, but it's not gratuitous. I will put down my thoughts on it here in detail once I'm at a computer AND my migraine is gone.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

Zorak of Michigan posted:

Vigilance was a ruthless one. Richard Morgan's Market Forces hit me that way. It's not badly written, but the world and the main character's rage at his life spilled over into me.
Six months ago I read the above and bought Robert Jackson Bennet’s Vigilance and just read it now. Holy poo poo that book is unpleasant but loving amazing, I I’m sure I’ve never highlighted that high a percentage of a book.

I’m still digesting it, in came out in 2018 but some of the generative AI still was goddamn prescient.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1540390918

The Translators by Gord Rollo is on sale for 2.99, or the paperback is under :10bux:

I love this book. It is batshit insane, amazing, and just overall one of those where you finish it and go "the gently caress?".

UwUnabomber
Sep 9, 2012

Pubes dreaded out so hoes call me Chris Barnes. I don't wear a condom at the pig farm.
Thanks for the Moorcock recs, everyone. I started Elric of Melnibone and I think this might not be for me. I'll finish it eventually and poke around in some other stuff that was posted.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1540390918

The Translators by Gord Rollo is on sale for 2.99, or the paperback is under :10bux:

I love this book. It is batshit insane, amazing, and just overall one of those where you finish it and go "the gently caress?".

Oo this is of interest, I picked it up.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Anyone read Saint Death's Daughter? Dang this is a weird rear end book, but I think I like it. Gives me kind of Charmed Life vibes but on an altogether more unhinged scale.


edit: this post might've been why I added it to my list, heh

Danhenge posted:

I'm about halfway through Saint Death's Daughter and enjoying it. Sapphic necromancer fiction, but not as internet shitposter as Harrow the Ninth. A little bit more classic fantasy, maybe towards The Goblin Emperor in terms of...feel...? But not as cozy & with the sense that there are actual stakes.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

UwUnabomber posted:

Thanks for the Moorcock recs, everyone. I started Elric of Melnibone and I think this might not be for me. I'll finish it eventually and poke around in some other stuff that was posted.

Elric of Melnibone is pretty rough, but the quality of Moorcock's writing does improve rapidly through the series.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


silvergoose posted:

Anyone read Saint Death's Daughter? Dang this is a weird rear end book, but I think I like it. Gives me kind of Charmed Life vibes but on an altogether more unhinged scale.


edit: this post might've been why I added it to my list, heh

I liked it! It was a bit more YA-feeling than the Locked Tomb or the Goblin Emperor (in writing style, I mean, I realise both TLT and Goblin Emperor are also about teenagers), but I enjoyed the characters and setting, and its willingness to dive head first into being just kind of unhinged.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Elric of Melniboné the first book inside the first book in the new Saga series is solid enough. The original short stories of which it is a prequel are better, but it does flesh things out in, to me, a satisfying way.

After that it becomes a slog. I'm stuck somewhere in the middle of the second book in the new Saga series, and I'm not sure if I'll ever get back to it. Have buyer's remorse over preordering the three in the series (only to find that there was then yet ANOTHER one coming in).

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




cptn_dr posted:

I liked it! It was a bit more YA-feeling than the Locked Tomb or the Goblin Emperor (in writing style, I mean, I realise both TLT and Goblin Emperor are also about teenagers), but I enjoyed the characters and setting, and its willingness to dive head first into being just kind of unhinged.

Yeah that's kind of what I meant by likening it to Charmed Life, which is a Diana Wynne Jones book about a kid and his older sister who's manipulating him using his magic and trying to run their family when their parents died, etc etc.

I'll keep reading, I'm not even that far in, it's just wild and dense.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


silvergoose posted:

Yeah that's kind of what I meant by likening it to Charmed Life, which is a Diana Wynne Jones book about a kid and his older sister who's manipulating him using his magic and trying to run their family when their parents died, etc etc.

I'll keep reading, I'm not even that far in, it's just wild and dense.

Actually, that's a much better way of putting it — it feels more like young adult literature from before the Twilight/Hunger Games led YA Boom, which I must absolutely stress is a compliment towards the book.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Ooh, got some interesting news from the Valancourt mailer.

First, two books for $2.99 on Amazon (and possibly other places):

John Peyton Cooke's Out for Blood
Robin Maugham's The Servant

And, this is especially for zoux: "We're pleased to announce two new titles we've signed! James Blish's classics Black Easter (1968) and The Day After Judgment (1970) will be joining the Valancourt lineup in 2024! These well regarded horror/fantasy novels have been long out of print, aside from Centipede limited editions, and are quite expensive secondhand. Look for more info on these from us soon."

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

Follow me for more books on special!
All the Seas of the World by Guy Gavriel Kay - $4.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CYNZLSV/

big dyke energy
Jul 29, 2006

Football? Yaaaay

D-Pad posted:

It's completely self contained. No crossover characters (at least so far) and it takes place outside Raadch space but the general political situation is where things ended at the closing of the original trilogy with the AIs demanding recognition under the presger treaty and a conclave called as a result which everybody is freaking out about.

I just finished it and LOVED it. There are some characters from the earlier books that show up in passing or are mentioned, but they aren't major and it's not important if you recognize them or not. The book does a really good job at explaining the entire galaxy situation and also moving past that to actually tell the story that's currently happening.

I really loved the Presger Translators in this book, they're so loving cool and weird and gross.

silvergoose posted:

Anyone read Saint Death's Daughter? Dang this is a weird rear end book, but I think I like it. Gives me kind of Charmed Life vibes but on an altogether more unhinged scale.

I read it awhile back and I liked a lot of it, I think it had a really cool world and I definitely want to read any sequels. I feel like there was a real issue with the tone in the later chapters, it felt weird to be reading a kind of goofy climatic battle where the Big Bad is flying around by standing on birds, while also knowing an 8 year old is being tortured horribly off screen.

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

Follow me for more books on special!
Ancillary Justice (Imperial Radch #1) by Ann Leckie - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BAXFDLM/

The City and the City by China Miéville - $4.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NLKYQ0/

The Once and Future Witches by Alix E Harrow - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085C71YG5/

The Last Policeman series by Ben H Winters - $1.99 each
The Last Policeman (#1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0076Q1GW2/
Countdown City (#2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B6OV90E/
World of Trouble (#3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HXYHVNU/

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

pradmer posted:

The City and the City by China Miéville - $4.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NLKYQ0/
God I love this book, metaphor made real.

Edit: Imperial Radch quite good too, but not mind-blowing to me like City and the City.

Remulak fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 12, 2023

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

pradmer posted:

Ancillary Justice (Imperial Radch #1) by Ann Leckie - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BAXFDLM/

The City and the City by China Miéville - $4.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NLKYQ0/

The Once and Future Witches by Alix E Harrow - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085C71YG5/

The Last Policeman series by Ben H Winters - $1.99 each
The Last Policeman (#1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0076Q1GW2/
Countdown City (#2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B6OV90E/
World of Trouble (#3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HXYHVNU/

Th Imperial Radch series is great, definitely worth a read. It does a good job of capturing culture clashes between some unique scifi cultures, plus the way the spaceship AIs work and the whole Ancillary concept is pretty hosed up in a way that also leans into the idea of "Everyone accepts this awful thing as OK because it's how they've done things for so long, they can't really imagine not doing it that way"

Seldom Posts
Jul 4, 2010

Grimey Drawer

pradmer posted:

Ancillary Justice (Imperial Radch #1) by Ann Leckie - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BAXFDLM/

The City and the City by China Miéville - $4.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001NLKYQ0/

The Once and Future Witches by Alix E Harrow - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085C71YG5/

The Last Policeman series by Ben H Winters - $1.99 each
The Last Policeman (#1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0076Q1GW2/
Countdown City (#2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B6OV90E/
World of Trouble (#3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HXYHVNU/

The last policeman series is great. Incredible mashup of noir and post apocalyptic delivered in a very grounded way.

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Marsupial Ape
Dec 15, 2020
the mod team violated the sancity of my avatar
I’ve been thinking about getting Ancillary Justice. Thanks, Pradmer.

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