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mystes posted:That is probably a better idea. judging by how discord also appears to be in the "flail around and panic as you slowly ruin everything everyone ever liked about your product" phase of the tech company growth chart right now, I'm guessing it doesn't work that great, but yeah
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Eeyo posted:reddit has just become old and calcified as an institution (like pretty much everything before it) and therefore fundamentally incapable of making the changes needed to sustain it. it's probably going to undergo a period of rapidly declining growth, then protracted decline. eventually something new will be created that can fix whatever perceived mistakes reddit had, and it will slowly replace reddit. Maybe if the current tech bubble bursts people will be willing to do stuff like this again with the expectation that it will be a ton of work and barely profitable?
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litterrally just copy the discord model. charge for expanding subreddit capacity and features and let users pay for a premium service that lets them boost that feature support in their favorite subs. reddit is an identity federation and (bad) forum hosting service. its never been a social network and it never will be a social network. the whole point of segregated sub reddits is counter to the network effects of a social network. if you were to try to force people from different subs to mix in a wider network, they'd just leave. also the idea of an IPO is hilarious. I wonder if anyone would be dumb enough to buy into any new IPO, let alone a reddit IPO. this is why you dont let MBAs into your organization
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The reddit drama is probably only getting started. Subs going dark is allegedly going to extend past 2 days and at that point I'd expect reddit to strike back. Shaggar posted:option 1: they pay which covers the costs They're looking to eliminate 3rd party clients because users are using them instead of the official app. Turning off certain services and setting a price >100x standard pricing is step one. The next step is to C&D and get them pulled from the app store for being in violation of the tos if they use anything other than the paid api.
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twitter did the same gently caress up. there is a correct way to do it though: 1) free users lose all access to the api thru 3rd parties 2) 1st party clients enforce ads 3) premium users get no-ads 3) premium users also get 3rd party access to the API
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so the new internet is going to be 50% closed off unindexed discords, 25% wikipedia, 20% racist facebook boomers and 0.05% yospos
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the death of reddit is actually a good thing because itll also kill search so ill have significantly less reason to use my phone and touch more grass.
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mystes posted:arguing over whether it's reasonable to combine two things into an arbitrarily defined label is possibly the most pointless argument. maybe slightly better than an argument in which everyone has a different definition of a word but refuses to acknowledge that fact but not by much arbitrary labels control our lives. marriage vs civil union is a good example
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Shaggar posted:twitter did the same gently caress up. there is a correct way to do it though: in reality I can't see it happening now
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Jun 12, 2023 15:13
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has Reddit tried charging  to register accounts?
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:mods please do the needful and train expo and fart to this thread and make a new tech bubble thread you wouldnt want to post in the best trhead on the forums?
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Shaggar posted:3) premium users get no-ads i bet they're averse to this quite reasonable proposal because advertising ghouls are much more interested in access to the people who will pay for premium offerings. this is what leads so many "no-ads" paid services to slowly enshittify into "only the good ads, only occasionally" and then "slightly fewer ads than unpaid"
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hobbesmaster posted:has Reddit tried charging for a long time you didn't even need a valid email account to make a reddit account so lol
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:so the new internet is going to be 50% closed off unindexed discords, 25% wikipedia, 20% racist facebook boomers and 0.05% yospos always was
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it's going to own when search engines are dead and wikipedia starts getting infested with llm hallucinations that wink in and out of existence as wikipedia editors desperately try to ferret them out "just do your own research to double-check chatgpt, lol, lmao"
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Internet Janitor posted:it's going to own when search engines are dead and wikipedia starts getting infested with llm hallucinations that wink in and out of existence as wikipedia editors desperately try to ferret them out you can pay relx to do real research. if you don't want to pay relx for whatever your field of knowledge they own for that knowledge, well, good luck.
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if relx doesn't ring a bell, here's a couple of the companies they own: lexis and elsevier.
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they pay a hella good dividend.
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but free access to knowledge? well, that's not capitalism.
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relx is the name of an ecig brand in china
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maybe i'll burn a copy of encarta 95 just as a little insurance plan
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when every source is paywalled or has their domain expire we will finally be free. i can go die in the woods
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infernal machines posted:when every source is paywalled or has their domain expire we will finally be free. dow jones factiva will hook you up with access to historic newspaper archives, for a fee.
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social media is like trying to monetize a bar or a cafe where you don’t serve anything but ads and maybe peanuts so who knows why it’s not going great right now
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ill take the peanuts, i guess
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MononcQc posted:social media is like trying to monetize a bar or a cafe where you don’t serve anything but ads and maybe peanuts so who knows why it’s not going great right now its like a bar or a cafe where the main draw is that you get to sit with friends together or maybe even strangers, and slowly people forgot they could hang out in their own homes
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oh whoops turns out we already knew how to make pizza quote:Zume, a Silicon Valley-based robotic pizza-making and delivery startup, has shut down and is liquidating its assets. I wonder how much of the whole rear end stupidity we've been dealing with for 15 years is down to masayoshi son
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"Why it matters: it doesnt lol"
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why it matters: a bunch of money that was conjured out of thin air returned to thin air
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its 2023 and if you put a bunch of Quality Content into a website for free you do not get to act surprised when someone tries to monetize that content by putting it behind a paywall.
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haveblue posted:why it matters: a bunch of money that was conjured out of thin air returned to thin air
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what if I pay the site I put content on
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I do love that the stuff that requires actual physical engineering instead of "build the website/application and they will come" crashes and burns in the funniest "no poo poo" ways
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Not a Children posted:I do love that the stuff that requires actual physical engineering instead of "build the website/application and they will come" crashes and burns in the funniest "no poo poo" ways or any time they do the "people who do [intensely manual process] get paid almost nothing therefore it should be easy to replace them with robots/algorithms"
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also, the fact that these people selling these ideas have no idea what labour or machinery cost. just no concept of the value of anything at all. every single one of them a lucille bluth somehow, that doesn't prevent them from convincing other idiots to give them hundreds of millions
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how could we possibly automate pizzamaking? instead of even watching a "how it's made" episode highlighting the dazzling prior art in continuous-flow frozen pizza assembly for ideas, let's buy an ABB robot arm and try to do everything in software software scales, you see
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Internet Janitor posted:software scales, you see they keep tellin me this but idk man
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scaling down is scaling
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infernal machines posted:somehow, that doesn't prevent them from convincing other idiots to give them hundreds of millions the other idiots are the same as them it's like that phenomenon where most writers at big name outlets now are coddled trust funders who could afford to do 5 years of unpaid internships in new york so they all went to the same 3 schools and share exactly the same dumb white kid world view
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Internet Janitor posted:how could we possibly automate pizzamaking? instead of even watching a "how it's made" episode highlighting the dazzling prior art in continuous-flow frozen pizza assembly for ideas, let's buy an ABB robot arm and try to do everything in software this is similar to soylent very slowly reinventing meal replacement solutions by thinking very hard and poisoning their customers repeatedly
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