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feedmyleg posted:Could you speak more about the link you see between the two? This is a bold claim without anything to back it up. Creepypasta and metafiction like SCP is popular amongst youner people, sure, but that doesn't imply a causation to any sort of bump in profitability or popularity. I agree that talking about the "vitality" of horror is nebulous, but it's really just a simple observation about new media. The popular sensation this month is a bunch of teen amateurs making found footage spookemups about the McD's Grimace Shake. Every single horror related thing that gets any traction online is along similar lines, blurring of reality and fiction. Obviously there are a lot of circumstances that converse to make this possible but one thing is for sure: they do not give a poo poo about Art the Clown.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah and knowledge of the two most famous horror stories is banned there. No one had ever heard of them, or any of the movie versions that have been coming out every five years for a century. How many Dracula or Frankenstein films maintained the format of the original works? So if the original stories are the only way to experience that format, do you think those novels are as widely read today as in the past? I really don’t thinks it’s a wild statement to say that found footage has more of a relevant influence on horror that presents itself as “real” today, than the original Dracula novel. Yes that’s a very important historical example, but ask 100 people today what they know about Dracula, nobody is going to bring up the format of the original novel CelticPredator posted:Honestly I have no idea what the Dracula book is like. I’ve never read it. I only have vague recollections of the 30’s flick and I’ve seen the Coppola movie. Yup! WeaponX fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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Absolutely wild statement to be making when Dracula Daily was lighting up the internet last year or so.
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WeaponX posted:How many Dracula or Frankenstein films maintained the format of the original works? So if the original stories are the only way to experience that format, do you think those novels are as widely read today as in the past? To which I say : Demonstrate any of this instead of just asserting it. It’s pure “this rock keeps away tigers” post-hoc reasoning, and all the evidence is “well I didn’t read it so…”
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please stop trying to make the horror thread a d&d thread i beg you
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I'm sorry we're trying to have a substantive conversation. Perhaps you'd like to contribute an alternative topic? We could all create ranked lists of our favorite Friday the 13th movies if you'd prefer.
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It is genuinely pretty absurd to suggest that people just don't read Dracula because you specifically did not read it. It's one of the more famous and influential novels in the English language. I don't have any dog in the fight over this specific line of debate and, as a casual lurker, find it more than a little tedious. But that specific point is just a particularly weird one to latch on to, it doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, much less does it provide any - WHY AM I EVEN TYPING THIS I DON'T CARE. ENTERTAIN ME WITH BETTER POSTS.
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feedmyleg posted:I'm sorry we're trying to have a substantive conversation. Perhaps you'd like to contribute an alternative topic? We could all create ranked lists of our favorite Friday the 13th movies if you'd prefer. i'm fine with substantive discussion but if anyone says "post-hoc" again we should gas the thread
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:please stop trying to make the horror thread a d&d thread i beg you Yes thank you, if I see “burden or proof” or “post-hoc” again I’m gonna lose it.
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Xiahou Dun posted:To which I say : It’s my opinion and an observation of film, I really don’t know what you want me to do. Hindu posted multiple examples of found footage and internet horror interacting and it’s appeal to a younger generation. Do you want to demonstrate that the epistolary nature of the original Dracula novel is more influential on reality bending horror in 2023 than the Blair Witch Project. Good news, you don’t have to! WeaponX fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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To be clear, my 6 year old nephew knows the format of Dracula, because he asked me about it when I was reading Dracula Daily. I read Dracula when I was 9. It’s not an unheard of forgotten tome. You’re just not a reader and you’re making a false generalization. Edit : o no! Not using… appropriate vocabulary. The real horror!
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The thing about influence is that the influencee doesn't have to be consciously aware of it. So Dracula still has huge influence and impact regardless of if 20 somethings today are still reading it, because the stuff they're watching and being inspired by was in turn heavily influenced by Dracula and therefore when they create their own works those will be influenced by Dracula as well, whether they realize it or not.
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Xiahou Dun posted:To be clear, my 6 year old nephew knows the format of Dracula, because he asked me about it when I was reading Dracula Daily. I’ve read Dracula! And Frankenstein! They are boring! This has nothing to do with me as a reader lol, I’m happy you have a singular example from your life of a younger person engaging with Dracula. What’s the fancy debate word for that argument? Look I’m defending the importance of a genre (found footage) that I love and think is important. I’m not trying to denigrate the influence of a massively important work of art. You can think one is more important or relevant than the other but neither of us are going to “prove” that. WeaponX fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i'm fine with substantive discussion but if anyone says "post-hoc" again we should gas the thread Fair.
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Punkin Spunkin about to read this thread like "I just asked if Paranormal Activity is any good..."
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The answer is yes btw.
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WeaponX posted:I’ve read Dracula! And Frankenstein! They are boring! 1) that’s the word for that kind of poor reasoning. Words mean things, when there’s the thing you use that word. What I’m supposed to let that horseshit lie for fear of using a big word? 2) then we’re not arguing and never were because we have the same position. HUNDU said a trivially false thing and I was going after just that.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i'm fine with substantive discussion but if anyone says "post-hoc" again we should gas the thread Post-hoc. (We're getting a new thread tomorrow anyway, take the night off for gently caress's sake.)
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I'm actually curious, are there any Frankenstein movies that use the nested framing devices of the book? I've seen so many versions and never one that actually feels like the book in terms of either plot or structure. I haven't seen the Branagh version. I feel like the section about the monster hiding in the barn watching/learning from the family in the cabin would actually make a pretty good movie all on its own
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I'm actually curious, are there any Frankenstein movies that use the nested framing devices of the book? I've seen so many versions and never one that actually feels like the book in terms of either plot or structure. I haven't seen the Branagh version. The Branagh version does do some of that yea. Starts with the captain, then changes to Frankenstein telling his story, and then back to the captain in the end.
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The presumed studio meddling between Don't Breathe and the sequel is some of my favorite Hollywood goofing. "OK yes so he's an old murder machine who tried to sexually assault the protagonist in the previous movie, but what if... WHAT IF..."
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Stupid young people and their gizmos and scary macaronis
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Basebf555 posted:The thing about influence is that the influencee doesn't have to be consciously aware of it. So Dracula still has huge influence and impact regardless of if 20 somethings today are still reading it, because the stuff they're watching and being inspired by was in turn heavily influenced by Dracula and therefore when they create their own works those will be influenced by Dracula as well, whether they realize it or not.  I was gonna say much the same but with an analogy to the Chicxulub asteroid and how currently it doesn't affect much outside of iridium miners but its legacy is why the only dinosaurs we have any more are mostly small and go "chirp"
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Basebf555 posted:The thing about influence is that the influencee doesn't have to be consciously aware of it. So Dracula still has huge influence and impact regardless of if 20 somethings today are still reading it, because the stuff they're watching and being inspired by was in turn heavily influenced by Dracula and therefore when they create their own works those will be influenced by Dracula as well, whether they realize it or not. Just as Dracula planned from the beginning! Will we ever be free of the nefarious machinations of the diabolical prince of darkness?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:please stop trying to make the horror thread a d&d thread i beg you Hey, Dungeons and Dragons got me into a lot of horror! Never knew about Lovecraft until Jr. High when I got the Deities and Demigods with Cthulu in it!
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Medullah posted:Hey, Dungeons and Dragons got me into a lot of horror! Never knew about Lovecraft until Jr. High when I got the Deities and Demigods with Cthulu in it! i have been trying to get a Call of Cthulhu game together with a couple friends for like forever
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Opopanax posted:This is a weird discussion. Creepypasta is just internet short scary stories, they aren’t confined to one single genre or style, so different ones will have influenced different things in different ways. It seems like people are trying to treat them like some sort of blanket reference They're not just internet short scary stories, they're specifically internet urban legends. The idea that whatever weird/scary/awful poo poo actually did happen or does exist is a key part of them. Erin M. Fiasco posted:Absolutely wild statement to be making when Dracula Daily was lighting up the internet last year or so. Dracula Daily is a perfect example because the big take away from that was that the original story was vastly different than peoples assumption. Every other post about it was "oh, what a weird thing that happens that I didn't expect."
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I'm actually curious, are there any Frankenstein movies that use the nested framing devices of the book? I've seen so many versions and never one that actually feels like the book in terms of either plot or structure. I haven't seen the Branagh version. The Frankenstein Theory is technically a sequel to the book, but it’s by far the most accurate-to-the-novel adaptation. Also, if you haven’t seen all the found-footage poo poo influencing kids these days, you’re straight-up out of touch. Half of creepypastas are about watching lost media, and creepypastas are fuckin’ ancient history at this point. It’s gotten even more entrenched since.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also, if you haven’t seen all the found-footage poo poo influencing kids these days, you’re straight-up out of touch. Half of creepypastas are about watching lost media, and creepypastas are fuckin’ ancient history at this point. It’s gotten even more entrenched since. Schwarzwald posted:They're not just internet short scary stories, they're specifically internet urban legends. The idea that whatever weird/scary/awful poo poo actually did happen or does exist is a key part of them. If we're talking about historicity, this recent stuff is distinct and influential enough to take completely seriously. It might sound stupid to you but if Normal Porn For Normal People is downstream of epistolary novels like Dracula it is certainly even more indebted to the presentation of LiveLeak.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah and knowledge of the two most famous horror stories is banned there. No one had ever heard of them, or any of the movie versions that have been coming out every five years for a century. Lol too aggro over this
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The new thread is going to go live tomorrow after I get back from Indiana Jones. So like I dunno go hog wild til then. Make outrageous claims about horror. List The Wizard of Oz as number 3 in your Friday the 13th films. Talk about how Freddy was justified in murdering those kids because of his socio economic status as a blue class worker that was preyed upon by the bourgeois school district. Just go for it.
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The entire Benson/Moorhead lovely Carl Cinematic Universe is found footage
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VROOM VROOM posted:The entire Benson/Moorhead lovely Carl Cinematic Universe is found footage Something in the Dirt absolutely whips rear end
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