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Cleaning up on incel websites with my "women can't use guns" Fallout 4 mod
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Jul 1, 2023 13:50
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Iirc my fallout 4 char was Killer Mike with a sledgehammer
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Jul 1, 2023 13:51
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loquacius posted:Wait why do you think you can't make a shootwoman in fallout 4 Fallout 4 Lore: male player character was a veteran of the big pre-war war. Female player character was a lawyer lady pre-war. I think that's what OP was referring to
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Jul 1, 2023 14:03
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Screaming Idiot posted:Holy hell Fallout 4 sucks. They learned nothing from New Vegas. Slightly improved gunplay isn't worth whatever the gently caress they were trying to do. I loving hate how the institute clashes with the entire franchise aestheticlly.
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Jul 1, 2023 14:08
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Oh Who cares
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Jul 1, 2023 14:08
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"Lawyer lady characters are antifeminist because they're not troops" is quite a take
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Jul 1, 2023 14:11
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Communist Thoughts posted:I actually think f4 had pretty fun builds but I only played it once ages ago and didn't finish it. There were some neat luck ninja builds with the auto crit, I remember my friend was playing very differently to my melee build this guy loves newspaper!
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Jul 1, 2023 14:15
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it wouldn't really makes sense if the us military had women in it in fallout given the whole setting thing
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Jul 1, 2023 14:31
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Plus I can't stress enough how little the prewar backstory affects anything that happens in-game. I don't think it ever comes up a single time. You can make your character Killer Michelle with a sledgehammer or a big dumb jarhead lady if you want, the only thing stopping you is you
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Jul 1, 2023 14:34
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Communist Thoughts posted:Iirc my fallout 4 char was Killer Mike with a sledgehammer I could never play as a landlord
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Jul 1, 2023 14:35
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loquacius posted:Plus I can't stress enough how little the prewar backstory affects anything that happens in-game. I don't think it ever comes up a single time. You can make your character Killer Michelle with a sledgehammer or a big dumb jarhead lady if you want, the only thing stopping you is you i am pretty sure that it does come up in the game, which is how people know she was supposed to be a lawyer and that the two had different backstories. iirc there's some incidental dialogue about it and piper asks about their past life or whatever
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Jul 1, 2023 14:38
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Eh. Still leaning towards "who cares", a couple side convos still shouldn't keep you from making whatever character choices you want
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Jul 1, 2023 14:43
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It's a roleplaying game so just pretend your character is lying
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Jul 1, 2023 14:44
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loquacius posted:"Lawyer lady characters are antifeminist because they're not troops" is quite a take It's still forcing gender roles on the player in addition to removing player agency. FNV gave your character a history (The Divide, etc.), but let you build the details. It even uses the mechanical benefits of a perk to provide commentary on LGTBQ+ issues in the Mojave while giving a substantial gameplay benefit! It's not perfect, but the Courier can be anyone you want them to be. FO4 dumps all that in favor of saying you're either a manly war hero or a lady lawyer and that's that. Why did it have to be so rigid? It would have been easy to keep all the lines the same and add one or two dialogue choices to define your past, something like "Hey, this reminds me of my time in..." [Boot Camp] [Law School] [Sarcastic: Clown College] which could then be used to give you a starting stat array you could then customize to your play style when the Vault Tec rep stops by. But no, at the end of the day, you have to mourn your lost husband Nate/wife Nora, with whom you most certainly conceived a child. Sure, you can customize their appearance and move numbers around, but nothing you do changes your pre-war existence.
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Jul 1, 2023 14:48
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loquacius posted:"Lawyer lady characters are antifeminist because they're not troops" is quite a take
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Jul 1, 2023 14:49
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They should remake new Vegas but with the fallout 4 settlement building mechanic so we can rebuild the old strip and make our own casinos
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Jul 1, 2023 14:50
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loquacius posted:Plus I can't stress enough how little the prewar backstory affects anything that happens in-game. I don't think it ever comes up a single time. You can make your character Killer Michelle with a sledgehammer or a big dumb jarhead lady if you want, the only thing stopping you is you Every chance I got I pressed the dialog option that was all "oh I'm a big ol new dummy from the war. Is this ~the future~?!?!" and my main dude acted more retarded each time all the way to the end.
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Jul 1, 2023 14:53
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Screaming Idiot posted:It's still forcing gender roles on the player in addition to removing player agency. FNV gave your character a history (The Divide, etc.), but let you build the details. It even uses the mechanical benefits of a perk to provide commentary on LGTBQ+ issues in the Mojave while giving a substantial gameplay benefit! It's not perfect, but the Courier can be anyone you want them to be. What game are you playing Seriously dude just make your GI Jane mommy character and ignore the two side conversations where it apparently comes up which were so insignificant I had no memory of them whatsoever despite playing this game like 3 times. If you wanna get mad at fallout 4 there are TONS of ways to do it that everyone on earth would agree with, no need to hyperfixate on this
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Jul 1, 2023 14:56
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Fallout pre-nuke society should be sexist as poo poo since its a pastiche of Americana which is sexist as poo poo. Rigid gender roles are part of the whole thing, it's a critique not endorsement it's also not the main setting so you aren't saddled with having play in that actual society
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Jul 1, 2023 14:56
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I don't think they're getting mad I think they're offering a mild critique of how fallout 4 presented roleplaying choices to the player
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Jul 1, 2023 14:57
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It is impossible for me to not press the button that makes me mad.
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Jul 1, 2023 14:57
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Fried Watermelon posted:I could never play as a landlord Yeah lol my views on Mike have changed a bit after his "just vote" campaign and wanting to do segregation but good
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Jul 1, 2023 14:57
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Brb gonna try saying "lawyer lady characters are sexist because 'lawyer' is a feminine gender role" in literally any context and see how seriously I get taken
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Jul 1, 2023 14:58
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actually you're the one getting mad
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Jul 1, 2023 15:00
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:I don't think they're getting mad I think they're offering a mild critique of how fallout 4 presented roleplaying choices to the player This reading of those posts is as foreign to me as screaming idiots reading of fallout 4's character backstory's plot impact
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Jul 1, 2023 15:00
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loquacius posted:This reading of those posts is as foreign to me as screaming idiots reading of fallout 4's character backstory's plot impact that's because you're too mad to read them correctly
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Jul 1, 2023 15:00
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KirbyKhan posted:my main dude acted more retarded each time all the way to the end. Turn on your monitor
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Jul 1, 2023 15:01
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:I don't think they're getting mad I think they're offering a mild critique of how fallout 4 presented roleplaying choices to the player Pepe Silvia Browne posted:actually you're the one getting mad Pepe Silvia Browne posted:that's because you're too mad to read them correctly Sounding kinda het up here bro, maybe mad?
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Jul 1, 2023 15:01
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:that's because you're too mad to read them correctly I'm even madder now I'm gonna say a slur, somebody cue up the SAD thread
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Jul 1, 2023 15:01
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KirbyKhan posted:Sounding kinda het up here bro, maybe mad? yes but in the way that the joker says it
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Jul 1, 2023 15:02
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gradenko_2000 posted:Turn on your monitor Got me Anyways the character in FO76 has a better backstory
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Jul 1, 2023 15:03
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:yes but in the way that the joker says it ah cringe
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Jul 1, 2023 15:03
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we all go a little cringe sometimes
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Jul 1, 2023 15:04
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:They should remake new Vegas but with the fallout 4 settlement building mechanic so we can rebuild the old strip and make our own casinos That would own, actually. A Buttery Pastry posted:Even more so given the setting. "She was denied the chance to be a soldier pre-war, became a girlboss instead, and then proved she had what it took all along after the patriarchy had gone to war with itself". Like, if there's no mechanical difference between male and female characters, that means this chick just picks up all the soldier-skills on her own, no problem, because she's just that cool/badass. That's not just pure Pop Feminism, it's also the real appeal of the post-apocalypse, letting the main character unleash their true potential when not encumbered by the rules of society, making the guy MC who was always just a fighter appear lame in comparison. Verdict: FO4 is Misandrist. I actually wanted to make my male Sole Survivor a lawyerish type. When I play RPG's, I like to have a backstory for my character; how would they react to this situation, are they combative, would they get along with this party member, etc. Fallout's always done that. It gave you some vague background stuff -- you're a Vault Dweller/Chosen One of your tribe/Courier -- and you have a goal. How you meet that goal is entirely up to you, whether you meet that goal is entirely up to you. I like that. I may not want to be a grieving spouse searching for their child, but all the headcanon in the world can't change you being exactly that. Yeah, you can mod it out, but I shouldn't have to mod out the entire inciting incident of the story in order to feel comfortable playing it. You're not creating a character, you're just retro-futurist Commander Shepard. loquacius posted:Brb gonna try saying "lawyer lady characters are sexist because 'lawyer' is a feminine gender role" in literally any context and see how seriously I get taken Is there a reason why you're trying so hard to be hostile over why I don't like how FO4 handled its narrative compared to the previous games in the series? Screaming Idiot has issued a correction as of 15:10 on Jul 1, 2023 |
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Jul 1, 2023 15:05
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preferably you would mod out fallout 4's entire story
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Jul 1, 2023 15:07
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the end of fo4 is deciding which group of 4-6 npcs should kill the other 2
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Jul 1, 2023 15:11
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I have this reaction to people saying completely nonsensical bullshit, which I'd imagine you'd be used to seeing by now
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Jul 1, 2023 15:11
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I don't think it's super different from fallout 2 where you have a similarly half established backstory and community then do a set intro then get given an objective to go find or ignore Fallout 4 letting me accidentally stealth up and knock my own sons head off with a sledgehammer is a top emergent gaming moment for me Especially since I'd bought into the whole missing son plotline and finding him was my main goal
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Jul 1, 2023 15:12
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turn off the TV posted:preferably you would mod out fallout 4's entire story I would rather that I didn't have to, which is my entire point. There's a lot of FO4's story I like! I like being a prewar citizen having to adjust to the wasteland! I like that I get to decide to be hopeful or cynical about the situation! I like that my party members react to my opinions and actions! FO4 is so, so close to being good in a lot of ways.
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Jul 1, 2023 15:13
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Screaming Idiot posted:That would own, actually. Screaming Idiot posted:I would rather that I didn't have to, which is my entire point. There's a lot of FO4's story I like! I like being a prewar citizen having to adjust to the wasteland! I like that I get to decide to be hopeful or cynical about the situation! I like that my party members react to my opinions and actions! FO4 is so, so close to being good in a lot of ways. A Buttery Pastry has issued a correction as of 15:18 on Jul 1, 2023 |
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