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it doesnt have any of the plant room gubbins on yet, nor the POE cameras and stuff but heres a first go at basic electrics. Not really how I wanted to do it as doesnt show really the actual physical runs through trunking and stuff. hmmm or the smoke/heat/whatever alarms
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It all seems straightforward enough.
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Jul 5, 2023 15:47
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You should have just carved your house out of a giant L-shaped bundle of cables.
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I don't understand any of this. I though cabling had to be run at right angles
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Jul 5, 2023 16:08
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I think you should tear it all out and do a subpanel at each end of the L to minimize runs
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Jul 5, 2023 16:11
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Failed Imagineer posted:I don't understand any of this. I though cabling had to be run at right angles See this is the problem, cabling has a minimum bend radius so you literally can't put cable in an L-shaped house. The only thing stopping the house springing open like a mousetrap is the deep foundations.
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Jaded Burnout posted:See this is the problem, cabling has a minimum bend radius so you literally can't put cable in an L-shaped house. The only thing stopping the house springing open like a mousetrap is the deep foundations. What if the foundations are stronger than the earth? Will the force of the cabling rip open the earth's crust itself???
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NotJustANumber99 posted:it doesnt have any of the plant room gubbins on yet, nor the POE cameras and stuff but heres a first go at basic electrics. Not really how I wanted to do it as doesnt show really the actual physical runs through trunking and stuff. Create virtual termination points at the cable bend junctures and map them from node to node until they truly terminate. It’s probably only necessary to provide per-cable detail on the initial origin and final termination; that should immensely improve both accuracy-to-life and readability. Unless I’m misunderstanding how complex the cablings trunk/branching is. I’m definitely misunderstanding.
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Have you considered that what you've done here is make the plant room a single point of failure in the event of a targeted strike on your house and what you should have done is build several duplicate plant rooms along with associated cabling scattered around the property to provide redundancy and continuity of service.
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Jul 5, 2023 17:57
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The real failure here is lack of sub panel per room. If you trip a breaker do you really want to have to leave the room you're in to walk all the way to the plant room every time
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Hadlock posted:The real failure here is lack of sub panel per room. If you trip a breaker do you really want to have to leave the room you're in to walk all the way to the plant room every time I'm sure there will be a full industrial substation integrated into the house with auto reclosers on all breakers 
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tidal wave emulator posted:Have you considered that what you've done here is make the plant room a single point of failure in the event of a targeted strike on your house and what you should have done is build several duplicate plant rooms along with associated cabling scattered around the property to provide redundancy and continuity of service. Long ago I worked for a tech company that was courting Sony as a client, and one of their vetting questionnaires included asking for our contingency plan should London be hit with a nuclear weapon. Since everyone in the company lived and worked in London, the answer was "we won't be around to care". For this house, I call this scenario "L-dom Has Fallen".
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Like all good electricians I decide to take a break on it and do some plumbing instead. Deleted this whole post again by the way with my cackhanded typing, loving hell. Anyway. The bathrooms need tile backer board covered all over all the walls as trying to tile the blocks will make them explode. It will also give a nice surface to tank with the waterproofing gunk around the wetroom areas. Before I can stick those up though I need to run down the various water pipes and electronic control cables from the service loft areas above where the water manifolds and shower/bath mixer control units are. There is going to be a boxed in area in the corner of each bathroom to hide the wastes and also the cistern of the toilet. The basin will then sit on top of this element also. So for now I just need to run 2 colds and a hot pipe down to that area where I can pick them up later. Because I've got individual shut offs on the manifold for each thing, toilet, basin, etc I need to run two colds down to the box rather than just one and T from it there. Not a big deal. The shaver socket will also go somewhere on this box so need to run a cable down for that too. The shower head will be mounted directly in the ceiling so don't need to worry about that just now, but theres also a shower wand thats mounted on and fed from the wall so need to run a line down from the shower control unit for that. The shower controls are electronic, a rotary dial for temperature and a button to switch between rain/wand, so another line for that into the shower. The actual on button is separate and will go across on the back wall. Don't really know why. The bath has the same rotary control with a stop/go button in the middle, but also a cool "run a bath" one touch button. I can also control this from my phone. Anywhere in the world. Or like ask google to run a bath verbally. Material finishes aren't confirmed yet but something relatively simple and elegant, design wise this is roughly what it'll be: (the en suite the same, just minus the bath)  I'm not getting any younger though so I may need to consider the possibility of females coming into my life, and so house, at some point. I might decide to go for something a bit more interesting to attract them, we'll see.  I'm running the pipes down the wall in copper as they need to be chased into the blockwork and the copper allows much less bulky fittings than the plastic Hep2o stuff. hep2o fittings are also really expensive, but once out of the wall I'll switch into them for ease of construction and to connect into the existing hep2o manifolds and shower/bath control units. so making up some bits with the brazing torch.   some of the solder joints are tidier than others, this is a good one btw  fit them in their chases  Seems to be a bit of conflicting advice about whether the copper is OK to run without sheathing. But I decide it probably is best to avoid direct plaster/tile adhesive/cement touching and potentially corroding them so I get and fit some cheap lagging stuff.  It squashes down neatly by hand so boarding over should be fine. As i say the hep2o fittings start to add up and I need a fair few as I don't want to drill through the engineering timber trusses, so I need to hop about in the access loft to get each run in the right bay of the ceiling joists.  Obviously those coloured wires won't stay there, need shoving in the trunking and lids putting on.  Repeat in the en suite  For various reasons it actually seems a bit more complicated here. Remember those windows 98 screenshavers?  hmmm  this next shot is from where you'll stick your head through an access panel in the loft, so it should be reasonably easy to access all the manifold taps and whatever  temporarily break some insulation out to squeeze down the back of the last truss.  Nice.
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In retrospect those foundations were actually a good idea because you have more cables than actual house in there
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Not sure if the building code in Britain has an allowance for unusual weight of copper in calculating loads.
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The bathroom is infinitely improved by the addition of the red & black, it just needs doom-wad non euclidian geometry to really make it pop.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The bathroom is infinitely improved by the addition of the red & black, it just needs doom-wad non euclidian geometry to really make it pop.  perhaps a tasteful wall texture like this? bonus points if it's somehow animated.
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do yourself a favor and run a hot water line (and electric) to the toilet, so you can upgrade to a smart toilet & warm water bidet in the future trust me,  appreciate a lad who's got a fancy bidet
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Yeah digging the early 90s IBM PC color scheme in the bathroom. Great filter, anyone who agrees to put up with that every morning is sure to never leave you
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Meow Meow Meow posted:I'm sure there will be a full industrial substation integrated into the house with auto reclosers on all breakers He can hire me as a live in substation operator; I have been a substation operator for 15 years. We can discuss wages and compensation, DM me!
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Hadlock posted:Yeah digging the early 90s IBM PC color scheme in the bathroom. Great filter, anyone who agrees to put up with that every morning is sure to never leave you is there a chance you weren't around HCH three or four years ago and don't get the reference?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:...to squeeze down the back of the last truss. 
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loving amateur hour running copper down to feed the bath tap, just have it come out the ceiling like magic, bonus points if it hits the bath
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Leperflesh posted:do yourself a favor and run a hot water line (and electric) to the toilet, so you can upgrade to a smart toilet & warm water bidet in the future You don't need a hot water tap. All of the good bidet/washlet seats have a built in water heater of some sort. You just need a cold water line.
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MetaJew posted:You don't need a hot water tap. All of the good bidet/washlet seats have a built in water heater of some sort. You just need a cold water line. Well sure, then you need an outlet and a cord, which I also suggested.
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lets not lose our poo poo over this. especially in a bidet
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with all that underfloor heating piping what if it ran right up into the toilet and gave you a warm seat too, I bet you could engineer your own cozy toilet design
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Leperflesh posted:Well sure, then you need an outlet and a cord, which I also suggested. Leperflesh posted:with all that underfloor heating piping what if it ran right up into the toilet and gave you a warm seat too, I bet you could engineer your own cozy toilet design I forgot which thread I was in. Yes, run a hot water line from the radiant floor plumbing to heat the seat-- maybe engineer a special heat exchanger within the toilet. It's a shame this house hasn't been featured on Grand Designs.
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The bathroom design is nice imo, although I've never enjoyed those in ceiling showers - being able to control the location of the showerhead above head height is much better.
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Hear me out…ladies would probably dig like maybe a sunken tub with some gravel around it
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everdave posted:Hear me out…ladies would probably dig like maybe a sunken tub with some gravel around it Just trim the top off the I beams.
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NJAN, do yourself a favor and put grab bars next to the freestanding tub and in the shower. Bathroom falls are dangerous, and standing on slippery surfaces is hard. Furthermore, freestanding tubs are harder to get out of than you think they are, because you can't anchor your hands on the rim when getting out of the tub.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Furthermore, freestanding tubs are harder to get out of than you think they are, because you can't anchor your hands on the rim when getting out of the tub. You can't?
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BuckyDoneGun posted:You can't? Well, I can't. Our clawfoot tub is a little over knee height and flares outward, and to get out of it without the grab bar, I'd have to bend way over, grab the rolled edge, straddle it, then swing the other foot over and stand up. Built-in tubs aren't usually that tall.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Well, I can't. Our clawfoot tub is a little over knee height and flares outward, and to get out of it without the grab bar, I'd have to bend way over, grab the rolled edge, straddle it, then swing the other foot over and stand up. Built-in tubs aren't usually that tall. Sounds like a good way to stay limber.
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Heated toilet seats exist and are very nice when a full washlet bidet is unavailable.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:NJAN, do yourself a favor and put grab bars next to the freestanding tub and in the shower. Bathroom falls are dangerous, and standing on slippery surfaces is hard. Furthermore, freestanding tubs are harder to get out of than you think they are, because you can't anchor your hands on the rim when getting out of the tub. I once saw an adult film that basically turned into an infomercial for bathroom grab bars halfway through. They were in the shower and most of the dialogue became "and if you have this bar you can do it like this...then you can grab this other bar and do it like this...or you can open the shower door and grab the bar attached to the toilet and do this". It was bizarre but persuasive. Arsenic Lupin posted:Well, I can't. Our clawfoot tub is a little over knee height and flares outward, and to get out of it without the grab bar, I'd have to bend way over, grab the rolled edge, straddle it, then swing the other foot over and stand up. Built-in tubs aren't usually that tall. Not gonna lie, the ads they run on network television for extra tall jet tubs with a seat and a door are starting to look appealing.
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Cat Hatter posted:Not gonna lie, the ads they run on network television for extra tall jet tubs with a seat and a door are starting to look appealing. you're getting old
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Deleted this whole post again by the way with my cackhanded typing, loving hell.
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