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Scholtz posted:Not to add another 100 chapters onto it or anything but I feel like there really should've been another Alabasta Saga-sized chunk of story in between Fishman Island and Punk Hazard, since the former was long established as their next destination since Water 7, and the latter starts off the whole Smile Fruit Saga. Foxy Rematch
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FI through dressrosa is the worst stretch of the manga and zou onward saved the series from collapsing
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Gyges posted:Doflamingo's backstory is more than fine. I'm just saying that we could have used a little more showing or telling why his crew was willing to die with a smile on his orders. It would be more realistic, but does OP really need it? I’d argue it doesn’t. We have enough going on and characters have more than enough flavor without constant betrayals, not to mention most of the crews we are dealing with are successful, so it shouldn’t be expected for them
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Jul 16, 2023 16:26
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At the very least I do appreciate the fact that Doffy was always an rear end in a top hat and only became a bigger one as he grew up
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Jul 16, 2023 16:31
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Gyges posted:Doflamingo's backstory is more than fine. I'm just saying that we could have used a little more showing or telling why his crew was willing to die with a smile on his orders. I think an SBS mentions that Doflamingo saved Sugar's and Monet's lives when they were young.
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Jul 16, 2023 17:29
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Yeah, a lot of his crew are people who he found down and out, I think. Or who found him, like Law/Baby 5/Pinwheel Guy.
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doffy's relationship with his core crew is one of the most interesting aspects of his character imo. it seems to me there's a bonafide and mutual sense of family there, probably the only one doflamingo has ever considered real since it's the only one that hasn't been taken from him or betrayed or fallen short of his ideals. i don't think this contradicts his monstrous nature, not the least of reasons being the business they conduct, and in fact i think it's informed by that nature and especially so in how he interprets the relationship. his founding members seem to hitch their wagon to the same anarchic ambition for the top he declared after knocking out the crowd torturing him. everyone who comes after is from what he would consider the same broken background as he is, with the same broken reaction to it or at least predisposition to be raised into that reaction, however valid that comparison is externally. it's worth remembering he never saw law as a chess piece, all the talk of kindred spirits and becoming a protege feels earnest. i think rosinante stealing both his apprentice and his immortality physically and spiritually inspires genuine rage and disappointment and his interactions with rosinante before his murder and with law in the modern day showcase this intensely. i think things like his tolerance of his crew's eccentricities and violent defense of their sensitivities are honest, but in the same breath, he's as genuine in the seemingly mutual belief that any sacrifice is worth it if it helps propel him further and further above the world. he's also groomed the successive generations of that family to ensure that mutual feeling. i think everything about the relationship both ways is exemplified by monet and vergo's deaths. every emotion on display there feels real to me, the willingness to ask for the sacrifice, the willingness to give it, and doflamingo's frown after the call is made, separate from the frustrations to his plans. it's not like there was any audience present to put that frown on as a show for and his words of farewell are wasted on the soon-to-be-dead if they aren't meant. it's not like they needed convincing.
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Arlong: Holy loving poo poo. Hody’s hat just got him in huge trouble in a meeting. Fisher Tiger made Hody take off his hat. He said it was distracting. He said if anyone disagreed, he’d let Hody keep the hat on. Nobody said poo poo dude. Nobody said poo poo. Jimbei: What did he do when Fisher Tiger made him take it off? Arlong: He took the hat off and he hid his head in his hands. You could tell he was crying. He kept saying under his breath, “you can’t loving do that”. Then Fisher Tiger said “what’s that, Hody?” and he said nothing. And then a minute later, he said “it’s not a distraction. The guy at the Criminal store said I’m the only guy he’s ever seen pull it off”. Fisher Tiger asked him how much it cost, and he said “it’s illegal for you to ask me that.” And Hody said “I’m putting the hat back on, I don’t care what happens to me. Fisher Tiger said “just take the hat off, Hody”. “No I’m not taking the loving hat off”. Then he stood up and said “I’ve never fought for anything in my entire life. I’m fighting for this hat.” He went to slam his hand down on the table but he hit his
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Jinbei would never commit the crime of insider trading
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tbp posted:FI through dressrosa is the worst stretch of the manga I don't disagree but yeah like has already been said, it really speaks to me to how good one piece is that even in this stretch, I can think of things I love and that would be THE top moments in other manga. Cool moments like Law cutting a mountain in half, Zoro beating Pica or God Usopp. Hilarious stuff like Chopper hat and Lucy. Incredible favourite characters like Fisher Tiger, Bartolomeo and Senor Pink. There's the little Oda touches that make the series in there too, like Robin telling Franky not to speak in Choppers body or Cavendish eating roses. One Piece is good is what I'm saying.
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One thing I realized recently is that the main reason Dofy and Corazon ended up being so different is just their age. We say that they both experienced the same upbringing, but Cora was only 2 or 3 when they gave up the CD titles. Doflamingo was already 5. He wasn't old enough to have the notion of being a "god" put into his mind. Dofy on the other hand did have that idea given to him on the most impressionable time of his life. His mind was too far gone at that point.
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Dofy is also a bad guy
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Dressrosa is definitely bloated and drags a bit in some parts but it has a lot of incredible moments, a great villain and a surprising amount of good payoffs even for the secondary characters. In retrospect I actually look back on it pretty fondly and regard it as a transition to the better storytelling we got in later arcs
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Scholtz posted:Dofy is also a bad guy Hes a bad guy because he grew up as a celestial which gave him all the wrong reasons to hate the world and the people who hurt him
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No, he's just a bad guy. Have you seen his sunglasses? A good guy wouldn't wear those.
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Scholtz posted:No, he's just a bad guy. Have you seen his sunglasses? A good guy wouldn't wear those. Kin'emon wore them
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mabels big day posted:Kin'emon wore them checkmate
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Punk Hazard gave us a whole bunch of great Robin moments, like her random cute thoughts, her gruesome jokes, and her reactions to Franky in Chopper's body. Law getting increasingly dragged into SH antics. Franky immediately eating the rumble ball. Zoro's badass "wild animal" moment. The dragon making a dramatic entrance, only to be lunch by the next chapter. Team Luffy acquiring winter coats. The slime ignoring CCs speech introducing it. Basically I don't think there is a One Piece arc where I can't think of a lot of things I like that happened during it.
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Punk Hazard will always be near the bottom of the rankings just because Zoro refusing to fight a woman is so antithetical to his backstory and I hate it. That arc and Dressrosa have an unfortunate element of misogyny with Tashigi getting berated so much for being weak and Rebeccas... entire existence. The worst arc and most out-of-character one is probably Whiskey Peak. Luffy attacking Zoro is loving dumb. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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luchadornado posted:Arlong: Holy loving poo poo. Hody’s hat just got him in huge trouble in a meeting. Fisher Tiger made Hody take off his hat. He said it was distracting. He said if anyone disagreed, he’d let Hody keep the hat on. Nobody said poo poo dude. Nobody said poo poo. Smiley face emoji…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R4JqjH0PVk
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Wonder how that would have ended if CP0 didn’t interfere. Luffy would be toast either way I assume
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All this talk about Punk Hazard and no one is gushing over the Yeti Cool Brothers???mabels big day posted:Kin'emon wore them prove it
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Nephthys posted:Punk Hazard will always be near the bottom of the rankings just because Zoro refusing to fight a woman is so antithetical to his backstory and I hate it. That arc and Dressrosa have an unfortunate element of misogyny with Tashigi getting berated so much for being weak and Rebeccas... entire existence. Luffy fighting Zoro was out of character, but the comedy surrounding the reasoning and their anger at Mr. 5 and Ms Valentine's Day for interfering were funny enough to give it a pass. As that was the only bad thing in Whiskey Peak, it is a good and cool arc.
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hatty posted:Wonder how that would have ended if CP0 didn’t interfere. Luffy would be toast either way I assume Yeah, there was still no way luffy was defeating kaido. At best, there would have been a cross counter akin to luffy vs katakuri, with kaido managing to get back up and luffy running out of haki and stamina from g4 and getting smashed.
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Gyges posted:Luffy fighting Zoro was out of character, but the comedy surrounding the reasoning and their anger at Mr. 5 and Ms Valentine's Day for interfering were funny enough to give it a pass. As that was the only bad thing in Whiskey Peak, it is a good and cool arc. It's also kind of early enough into the series where it doesn't feel too unbelievable of a setup based on what we know of the characters at that point. It's kind of like how in Alabasta Luffy would be horny a couple of times for Nami, but after the arc basically became an asexual person, having no lust for characters like Boa later on.
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I've read this manga, it's my favorite manga. I still have no idea 1. How Hody Jones just kind of got better after Zoro smoked his rear end. 2. How he, I guess, beat Zoro after?? 3. How the Yeti Cool brothers beat Zoro. 4. About Pretty much anything narratively related the Yeti Cool brothers.
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Gyges posted:Luffy fighting Zoro was out of character, but the comedy surrounding the reasoning and their anger at Mr. 5 and Ms Valentine's Day for interfering were funny enough to give it a pass. As that was the only bad thing in Whiskey Peak, it is a good and cool arc. The second bad thing about Whiskey Peak is that it's forgettable enough that Luffy and Zoro fighting is the only thing I remember about it. I think Vivi was there so I guess it was probably an ok arc.... Julias posted:It's also kind of early enough into the series where it doesn't feel too unbelievable of a setup based on what we know of the characters at that point. It's kind of like how in Alabasta Luffy would be horny a couple of times for Nami, but after the arc basically became an asexual person, having no lust for characters like Boa later on. It's mostly dumb because Luffy is trying to kill Zoro just because he hurt some people who gave them food. It's ridiculously over the top and even at that point really out of character. He still trusted Nami after she literally betrayed and robbed them. WP is also after them breaking the cask which is the point they all become nakama.
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Desumaytah posted:I've read this manga, it's my favorite manga. I still have no idea Hody slammed a bunch of steroids to heal himself from being a loser. Then things started crumbling in the palace and Zoro didn't really lose, just got distracted. And the Yeti Cool Brothers are a special breed of giant that beat Zoro by dosing him with a really strong sleeping gas. Doesn't matter how strong someone is if you can knock em out.
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one of the yeti cool brothers has a moai face and it's cool
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Desumaytah posted:I've read this manga, it's my favorite manga. I still have no idea 1. The whole reason Hordy went SSJ Blanco was overdosing on steroids to self-medicate after the asskicking he got from Zoro 2. Zoro one-shot Hordy, and then drowned becuase he’s not a Fishman 3. They drugged him, CC beat Luffy initially by using CO2 poisoning so idk why that’s the point of contention. 4. They’re yetis, brothers, and cool and chill, hope this helps
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Nephthys posted:The second bad thing about Whiskey Peak is that it's forgettable enough that Luffy and Zoro fighting is the only thing I remember about it. I think Vivi was there so I guess it was probably an ok arc.... It's one of those things that probably should have been telegraphed better since it turns out food and hospitality of it is really important to Luffy, so yeah in hindsight it makes sense he'd be royally pissed a member of his crew would betray that hospitality seemingly so easily.
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Desumaytah posted:3. How the Yeti Cool brothers beat Zoro. They’re Cool Yetis and they figured out Zoro’s secret: he’s actually a huge goober, which is not cool
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recently binged back up to date after like six months mostly out, just wanna say lmao vegapunk rules, lmao kidd drools, the absolute breakneck pace the series has suddenly hit with EVERYTHING with every character at this point makes me feel like it actually could wrap up in a couple years or less even. devoting just a single chapter to kidd and law each getting owned, and what, two or so chapters around koby and garp. poo poo is going a mile a minute, but I don't think I mind also the full MV for Future Island dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWNn24KHPRQ&hd=1 I can't believe Mori got to do a song for One Piece, even if it's just a trailer thing. it's wild, and then they gave her an egghead costume(kinda wish she had it for the MV), which just makes her look exactly like Bonney lol
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Man I loving love the whole Garp thing going on but I also loving wanna see what's going on in Egghead Island to see what's up with York and the Straw Hats and CP0 but also what's up with the Revolutionaries??????????????? and it's like oh my god why can't there be 2 chapters of One Piece a week there's just so much going on and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Man I loving love the whole Garp thing going on but I also loving wanna see what's going on in Egghead Island to see what's up with York and the Straw Hats and CP0 but also what's up with the Revolutionaries??????????????? and it's like oh my god why can't there be 2 chapters of One Piece a week there's just so much going on and ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. contemplating freezing myself for 5 years so i can binge through this arc in one go
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Nephthys posted:The second bad thing about Whiskey Peak is that it's forgettable enough that Luffy and Zoro fighting is the only thing I remember about it. I think Vivi was there so I guess it was probably an ok arc....
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