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Shageletic posted:But that feels like a different Nyneave than the first few books The first few books are pretty different than the rest of the books so yea, that also covers almost everyone.
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It feels like everyone got more nuanced tho, except Nynaeve, who was so accepting of Egwine hiding Rand in the second book seems a more mature world person than the Nynaeve we sa in FoH
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Khizan posted:I think that the "Actually, a lot of the worst parts of the last three books were by Jordan" comments should really be "Actually, a lot of the worst parts of the last three books were Jordan's rough drafts", because he didn't get to go through his lengthy editing process and Sanderson (understandably imo) didn't want to touch them. I literally thought by the time the slog was going on it was Harriet editing and just kind of nodding that crap through. That's what the slog kind of looks like, just totally unedited.
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Trailer dropping 9am Wednesday (ET). There are a couple of rando stills floating around.
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Jul 17, 2023 15:04
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rando stills https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1680940422804414464?s=20 looks like eggy getting leashed or maybe just channeling
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Hey does anyone have a link for a kinda old readalong blog of WoT? I stumbled on it a while ago while reading TSR and it did a great job of giving some great thoughts on it. I know, not a lot of clues. I don't think its the official WoT related one.
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Jul 17, 2023 18:26
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Various people on Twitter are being DMd stills from what appears to be a gif of the Horn of Valere's box opening https://twitter.com/PerrinsNose/status/1680992040396439552?s=20
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Shageletic posted:Hey does anyone have a link for a kinda old readalong blog of WoT? I stumbled on it a while ago while reading TSR and it did a great job of giving some great thoughts on it. I know, not a lot of clues. I don't think its the official WoT related one. This one? https://neuxue.tumblr.com/WoT-liveblog
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Looks like it! Thanks!
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El Grillo posted:Lengthy editing process? Apparently, Harriet's involvement as editor grew smaller with every book. Which might explain the slog. The wife of an author probably has more power to push back on superfluous scenes than some random editor in the face of a New York Times bestselling author.
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Torrannor posted:Apparently, Harriet's involvement as editor grew smaller with every book. Which might explain the slog. The wife of an author probably has more power to push back on superfluous scenes than some random editor in the face of a New York Times bestselling author. Also because the books were selling so well they were turning them out and printing them without full editing passes during the 8-10 period. The fifth edition of Path of Daggers still has some spelling and grammatical errors.
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Does anyone else feel killing Asmodean in FoH was a huge mistake? There was so much material to be mined there, could Rand trust him, was Asmodeon actually really trying to help him, the weirdly close (feels like he was the character that Rand was most open to regarding his plans) and also plainly antagonistic/on the verge of getting violent. Just so we could have a weak sauce mystery that was desultory solved sort of outside the books years later? It feels like a really big missed opportunity, even if just for Asmodean's take on the court politics around Rand in the later books.
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Looks like they found all 26 frames for this little gif https://twitter.com/GradeKangusBeef/status/1681099489325600770
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Shageletic posted:Does anyone else feel killing Asmodean in FoH was a huge mistake? There was so much material to be mined there, could Rand trust him, was Asmodeon actually really trying to help him, the weirdly close (feels like he was the character that Rand was most open to regarding his plans) and also plainly antagonistic/on the verge of getting violent. Just so we could have a weak sauce mystery that was desultory solved sort of outside the books years later? It feels like a really big missed opportunity, even if just for Asmodean's take on the court politics around Rand in the later books. Eh, there's a Watsonian reason, in that the real play is to drive Rand to despair so he willingly loses. So much of the incompetence that we see really isn't, it's careful manipulation to make victory appear possible but unlikely so Rand can get ground up. This makes teaching too much a risk and so Asmo gets murdered as soon as he's done teaching basics. After all, all the 'Chosen' are just pawns to be sacrificed. I really do think this is important, because just like ta'veren is the cheat to make coincidence just part of the story, the typical villanous disorganization is actually organized, it's the DM in the form of the Dark One and Ish putting in level appropriate challenges. Given all the forces in the blight and the ease with which two other continents were subverted you'd need something like it to explain why the Ish didn't just roll everyone with a million trollocs and half the White Tower being Darkfriends.
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I guess that's an in-story reason for it (though Graendal killing him seemed to be just a crime of opportunity, him stumbling onto her as she was looting Rahvin's loot in the palace). But I'm talking in a writing sense, Asmodean was a great and inscrutable character in a lot of ways, and it felt like his arc wasn't fully explored, which is a shame.
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Shageletic posted:I guess that's an in-story reason for it (though Graendal killing him seemed to be just a crime of opportunity, him stumbling onto her as she was looting Rahvin's loot in the palace). But I'm talking in a writing sense, Asmodean was a great and inscrutable character in a lot of ways, and it felt like his arc wasn't fully explored, which is a shame. Yeah this makes a lot of sense in story but I agree with you from the writing pov. I really enjoyed Asmodean being around for a lot of reasons. He's actually funny, intentionally or otherwise, has a perfect outsider perspective, and there were a ton of potential story hooks with him. Some of the semi similar beats went to Moghedien getting captured in Salidar, but the dynamic wasn't really the same there.
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Shageletic posted:(though Graendal killing him seemed to be just a crime of opportunity, him stumbling onto her as she was looting Rahvin's loot in the palace) 'cause it's a retcon from Taim becoming not Demandred after RJ got mad that it was too obvious, RJs notes reveal it was originally Demandred. Asmo was getting clipped either way to make room for the Black Tower. I forgive it just because it lead to a much neater swerve at the end.
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I coulda used more buddy cop shenanigans frond Asmo myself. There were plenty of books to kill him in.
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Invalid Validation posted:There were plenty of books to kill him in. In retrospect, yes, but I doubt Jordan was planning to double the length of the series at that point. I always felt Lanfear would've killed Asmodean at some point to keep Rand from getting too uppity and also to cover her tracks. It was to my great disappointment that he instead died seemingly at random from poking his head into a closet.
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I think Asmo was also meant to be something of a bait and switch. We are told that no one can walk in the Shadow so long that they cannot reach the Light. Asmo's arc asks the question: is this true even of the Forsaken? I agree that Lanfear always intended to return and kill him before he taught Rand too much, so we'd never have found out for sure, but it's still interesting.
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ChubbyChecker posted:rj should have kept uno as the killer as it was originally Wait what. Lol how does that make sense.
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Just sitting in the dark in the closet, swearing
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Like Skinner and Krabappel
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Did Jordan or his wife ever say how many books he intended the total series to be? Because based on the pace of events in the three Sanderson books it seems like it would have taken Jordan at least six books assuming he decided to start winding things down at that point.
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I actually killed asmo, sorry that you had to find out this way
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thekeeshman posted:Did Jordan or his wife ever say how many books he intended the total series to be? Because based on the pace of events in the three Sanderson books it seems like it would have taken Jordan at least six books assuming he decided to start winding things down at that point. It was originally supposed to be a trilogy
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RC Cola posted:I actually killed asmo, sorry that you had to find out this way You bastard!
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thekeeshman posted:Did Jordan or his wife ever say how many books he intended the total series to be? Because based on the pace of events in the three Sanderson books it seems like it would have taken Jordan at least six books assuming he decided to start winding things down at that point. It was originally planned as a trilogy but I believe Tom Doherty contracted him for six books right off the bat knowing Jordan would often run long. By the time Great Hunt was written and Eye was published, he was already planning for four to six books total.
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thekeeshman posted:Did Jordan or his wife ever say how many books he intended the total series to be? Because based on the pace of events in the three Sanderson books it seems like it would have taken Jordan at least six books assuming he decided to start winding things down at that point. Like others said, it was initially a trilogy but Tor bought a 6 book series. I think it's fairly obvious that he quickly realized that he had a much bigger story to tell, and was laying down more plotlines than could possibly be wrapped up in a few books. This was posted on dragonmount apparently and is pretty funny to read through. dragonmount posted:
It really, really seemed like as time went on he was aiming for 12. With what was left to settle, it would likely have been two 1100 page books but that would have been fine with me. He was putting the pedal to the metal in A Knife of Dreams and all of the dominoes were starting to fall. Because of the timeline being hosed up we got the balescream's initial effects in AKoD, even though the actual event happened in TGS. I don't think Sanderson sped up the ending; Jordan was clearly heading towards it. That's the issue with spending so long setting so many things up; they all need to be wrapped up at some point. Which he was doing!
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Shageletic posted:Wait what. Lol how does that make sense. asmo yelled his killer's name phonetically, but too many people figured it out so rj changed it
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So the official account is doing a social media engagement thing and DM'ing images to people active on #TwitterOfTime that make a little gif when stitched together. Yesterday the gif was what looks to be Turak opening the Horn of Valere box https://twitter.com/GradeKangusBeef/status/1681099489325600770?s=20 And todays image looks like it's gonna be Elayne and Egwene being captured https://twitter.com/MeRavingMad/status/1681341832889012225?s=20 Here's the one they sent to me. The little rhyme things are Seanchan omens.  Ballgags are here to stay 
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Here's the final 18 frame gif https://twitter.com/MeRavingMad/status/1681372108075720704
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Looks like this is todays completed gif https://twitter.com/meravingmad/status/1681365868297736192?s=46&t=FuVqINhLr5iT6f4jGf4sZg weaves certainly look better
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That one is missing two frames, this is the final version:pik_d posted:Here's the final 18 frame gif And actually, here is a different interpretation of the blasts https://twitter.com/AranTalk/status/1681373983503941657?s=20
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And now there's a 3rd gif started up: https://twitter.com/GradeKangusBeef/status/1681380157934776320
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