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Sephyr posted:Said book apparently omits Tyrion ENTIRELY from the story, despite him being the trueborn son of a major House ruler (not like medieval nobility takes lineage seriously, right?), having a massively recognizable physical appearance, nickname and infamy, his kidnapping being the trigger for the Lannister/Stark war that would bloom to the War of Five Kings, Acting Hand of the King for the defense of the capital, wedded to the heiress of another major House, ACCUSED OF REGICIDE, his trial by combat exploding the budding peace, being an accessory to the invasion of the continent by foreign hordes, then casually deciding that Westeros is now an elective monarchy, a la Medieval Poland or holy roman Empire, take your pick. Plus other stuff I'm surely forgetting. I'll go to bat for that one. That's the one thing out of all of that slop that actually felt like it was a GRRM joke, something that survived from the napkin scribble The Rotund One handed those two dipshits on the day they demanded he give them the end of the story in case he died and made it all the way to John Bradley and Peter Dinklage doing a scene with it on film and then that scene airing on television. It is the natural conclusion of the theme of "literally everyone in Westerosi society hates Tyrion Lannister" so some up-his-own rear end maester in the Citadel just erasing him from history purely out of spite seems like it would be one last GRRM-style comical gently caress you to the character.
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As much as I really like some of those theories this is the conclusion I've laregly come to. It would be really cool if some of the inconsistencies meant something or was cool foreshadowing but that's probably not the case and hinging an entire theory on that is probably going to lead to disappointment. Like, I really feel like The Pink Letter Mystery isn't going to be that much of a mystery in the end but people laser focus on that so much due it's close proximity to the death of a major character and the start of the 12 year hiatus. I feel like the mystery of who wrote the letter might be revealed very quickly (it was Ramsey and he was pissed). A lot of the theories are still really cool, though
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God, sorry, I can't get over this loving AI story. It's so bad!quote:The fate of Westeros hung in the balance, and the subversions of expectations that had plagued him throughout his journey had finally converged into a single, momentous challenge. His mind raced, searching for answers amidst the tumultuous sea of thoughts. The subversions of expectations whispered in his ears, reminding him of the alliances he had forged, the battles he had fought, and the subversions of expectations that had tested his resolve. ctrl+f "the subversions of expectations" and it shows up 108 times  . Also, Jon is just alive in the beginning of Winds, with no explanation, he's just there.
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Happy Landfill posted:God, sorry, I can't get over this loving AI story. It's so bad! What was that AI trained on, some chud's 80,000 word magnum opus on how Rian Johnson is literally worse than Hitler because The Last Jedi gave their brain gonorrhea or something?
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I'm just trying to wrap my head around "subversion of expectations"? What does the AI think it's saying?
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The Pink Letter was probably intended to be written by Ramsay and that’s probably what George will stick with, as opposed to say the lemon tree in Bravos that he seems to be turning from an author error into an actual twist, or the catspaw’s employer that I think that he left open for himself and not very convincingly tried to tie up later. If not Ramsay, my candidate is Melisandre.
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Happy Landfill posted:I'm just trying to wrap my head around "subversion of expectations"? What does the AI think it's saying? I am, meanwhile, completely serious when I say that the only people I've ever seen use any variation of the term "subverting expectations" have been media illiterate grognards who are forever mad about some pop culture wound on their rice paper-fragile psyches. So wherever the AI picked it up from, it was not a place of honor.
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Happy Landfill posted:I'm just trying to wrap my head around "subversion of expectations"? What does the AI think it's saying? It's probably a phrase that appears in a lot of asoiaf articles
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Normy posted:It's probably a phrase that appears in a lot of asoiaf articles It's based on something the showrunners once said that eventually became a meme once the show started to suck.
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Happy Landfill posted:God, sorry, I can't get over this loving AI story. It's so bad!  the gently caress did I just read?Any human fanfic, no matter how poorly written, would be miles better. The worst of the worst might even wrap right around to being hilariously awesome.
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La Louve Rouge posted:Be warned though that Preston is committing to Quentyn being alive in his fic so you will almost definitely not agree with all his contributions to the story oh poo poo I didn't stop to think they would all shove their own pet theories into the books and bring back everyone alive marvel comic style
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anyway, I've being listening to the audiobooks for AFFC one of the funniest moments in the book was in this Cersei chapter where Margery and her friends were teaching Tommen how to joust and they were all happy and cheering. Then Cersei showed and instantly "the roses wiltered" and everyone was miserable. Cersei's internal monologue was basically "hahah I'm so great that I made a bunch of 16 yr old girls unhappy!" Also there's just something so petty about Cersei's evilness in the book. Like when Loras got burnt Cersei made the messenger who told her to go over the details repeatedly so she could memorize every bit of it specifically so she can personally break the news to Maegery and enjoy her suffering. So she put in effort just so she can torment her 16 year old daughter-in-law with details of her brother being horribly injured. Like something about that is as evil as anything Ramsay did.
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Typo posted:anyway, I've being listening to the audiobooks for AFFC Cersei is a tremendous rear end in a top hat and causes a lot of drama just for the fun of it and through her sheer undeserved Peggy Hill-style smugness, and as a messy bitch who loves drama I will comfortably state that she is my favourite character in these books. The TV show did Cersei's Continuous Mistake dirty.
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Happy Landfill posted:God, sorry, I can't get over this loving AI story. It's so bad! From the very first prompt: quote:There must be subversion of expectations several times. Obedient AI!
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We stan a queen  Tarnop posted:From the very first prompt: gently caress, this is it.  I know companies are going to try really hard to publish books written by ai and I almost kind of hope they do because they're going to be awful and it might be worth it for all the ai bros who will go blue in the face insisting that it's truly a masterpiece.One of the main editors for Clarkesworld (I think, one of the SFF magazines) said that after getting an influx of what was obviously stories written by AI they said there were real obvious tells of AI writing and I'm willing to bet one of the reasons for that is that the ""author"" doesn't bother proof reading the actual output. They assume that because 🌟AI🌟 did it it's perfect and flawless (and better than everyone elses). I would genuinely love to see the shlock that got turned in because I bet they all sounded exactly the same and had the same structure and all the characters sounded exactly like each other.
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Does the existence of Dae-nerys imply that there is also a Night-merys? Mods please change my name to Nightmerys, thank you.
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Happy Landfill posted:I hate to keep bringing him up but Preston Jacobs and some other fans are writing a sort-of crowd-sourced fan fiction that he's posting on his Youtube channel. It's pretty good? hits the spot while also definitely not being the real thing. I really liked his Alayne chapter Considering he probably wrote one of more of the existing books it wouldn't be that far off for him to finish the series. nine-gear crow posted:I'll go to bat for that one. That's the one thing out of all of that slop that actually felt like it was a GRRM joke, something that survived from the napkin scribble The Rotund One handed those two dipshits on the day they demanded he give them the end of the story in case he died and made it all the way to John Bradley and Peter Dinklage doing a scene with it on film and then that scene airing on television. It is the natural conclusion of the theme of "literally everyone in Westerosi society hates Tyrion Lannister" so some up-his-own rear end maester in the Citadel just erasing him from history purely out of spite seems like it would be one last GRRM-style comical gently caress you to the character. If the scene had Tyrion say something to the effect of "what the hell, all my accomplishments are credited to other people and [some Lannister cousin] is written as being the heir to the House" would've gone a long way. Not long enough, but better than what we ended up with. Maybe it's supposed to be a joke about unreliable narrators/authors but the failsons running the show didn't have what it takes to pull it off.
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This actually happens all the time in real history books! We just don't know about it because those despised but super relevant people aren't in the history books. I know this because
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Happy Landfill posted:I would genuinely love to see the shlock that got turned in because I bet they all sounded exactly the same and had the same structure and all the characters sounded exactly like each other. My wife is a high school English teacher and this is the first year she regularly started getting AI-written papers turned in. She just grades them normally, because they are D+/C- level quality. They usually don't really answer the prompt. Sometimes they have quotes from a piece of literature that do not actually appear in said piece of literature. It might become more of a problem in the future but at the moment AI can't do anything more than bland content-mill quality writing.
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pthighs posted:My wife is a high school English teacher and this is the first year she regularly started getting AI-written papers turned in. She just grades them normally, because they are D+/C- level quality. They usually don't really answer the prompt. Sometimes they have quotes from a piece of literature that do not actually appear in said piece of literature. It might become more of a problem in the future but at the moment AI can't do anything more than bland content-mill quality writing. I actually like the idea of not giving these papers an instant 0 and just grading them to the quality that they are. It's like that AI Gizmodo article they tried to publish that was something like, "the best order to watch star wars movies in" and you had The Force Awakens being slotted in after Attack of the Clones, and every single section started with the exact same sentence they just changed the name of the movie. It was so stupid. Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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Jul 20, 2023 20:11
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I'm not sure I could embrace "Preston Jacobs, Storyteller" even with a gun to my head
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LiterallyATomato posted:Does the existence of Dae-nerys imply that there is also a Night-merys? Daenerys, fighter of the Nightmerys Breaker of the Wheel
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LiterallyATomato posted:Does the existence of Dae-nerys imply that there is also a Night-merys? Season 8 Dany is Nightmerys. There, I said it.
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pthighs posted:My wife is a high school English teacher and this is the first year she regularly started getting AI-written papers turned in. She just grades them normally, because they are D+/C- level quality. They usually don't really answer the prompt. Sometimes they have quotes from a piece of literature that do not actually appear in said piece of literature. It might become more of a problem in the future but at the moment AI can't do anything more than bland content-mill quality writing. Huh, that's weird. Back when I was in school, "not answering the prompt" was always an instant failing grade in a paper. I guess schools are a lot less demanding these days 
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https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1683171556166631425?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw
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See it’s the lying that pisses me off.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1683171556166631425?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Thank you, George.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1683171556166631425?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw You don't have to lie to be cool, GRRM
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George has been using that fan‐made cover art for more than seven years.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1683171556166631425?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw To quote a much better and more productive author, Sometimes, he was easy to hate.
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Platystemon posted:George has been using that fan‐made cover art for more than seven years. I was just going to say that lol At this point whatever the cover ends up being is going to be a disappointment--not that it's bad but every one is so used to this horn cover that the official one just isn't going to look right, no matter how good it is. I feel like they should just track down the artist and buy it off of them, or something. I don't know, I kind of suspect that if whenever Winds comes out they're going to use that as an opportunity to go with a new design scheme so that they can re-release books1-5 with brand new covers and it will drive people nuts because that covers have to match on their bookshelves (if they care about that sort of thing)
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Happy Landfill posted:I was just going to say that lol At this point whatever the cover ends up being is going to be a disappointment--not that it's bad but every one is so used to this horn cover that the official one just isn't going to look right, no matter how good it is. I feel like they should just track down the artist and buy it off of them, or something. the book will never be released so this won’t be an issue
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We don't need anymore Dany making GBS threads or Mercy chapters.
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Xiahou Dun posted:See it’s the lying that pisses me off. Hey, if I open my word processor, change "Tyrion yawned as he opened the door wide" to "Tyrion opened the door wide as he yawned", close it and go enjoy my day, it still counts as 'Writing, rewriting, editing'.
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Happy Landfill posted:I was just going to say that lol At this point whatever the cover ends up being is going to be a disappointment--not that it's bad but every one is so used to this horn cover that the official one just isn't going to look right, no matter how good it is. I feel like they should just track down the artist and buy it off of them, or something. I am Mad, yes, that I can't get all of them in UK first edition art.
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mark immune posted:the book will never be released so this won’t be an issue They should release blank books with covers for Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring, so people can scribble mad gibbering in them and prank other people by pretending the books are out. Really it's the least they can do.
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Kuiperdolin posted:They should release blank books with covers for Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring, so people can scribble mad gibbering in them and prank other people by pretending the books are out. Really it's the least they can do. They would seriously make a significant amount of money if they did this.
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Kuiperdolin posted:They should release blank books with covers for Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring, so people can scribble mad gibbering in them and prank other people by pretending the books are out. Really it's the least they can do. They should do this, but with Winds and Dream https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1683199491069956099?s=20 Edit:twitter redirect is probably hosed for good so here's another link to the same story https://www.cbr.com/wandavision-steelbook-no-disc/ Happy Landfill fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 24, 2023 |
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