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Dawgstar posted:Phelous has a video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW51PDa_puE&list=PL3XCSTT5utputyx8D95SWVpAZUekGWsud&index=2 And if anybody would know it's Phelan. TL;DR is they brought in an outside consulting firm that decided kids actually hated what kids had in fact been enjoying about the show. No Peter fighting with Slimer, they needed kids working with the Ghostbusters, it couldn't be scary, just a bunch of stuff. The most ridiculous to me was Janine's redesign because her pointy glasses, quote, "could frighten children." His video thoroughly goes into what Q5 did but not really the greater why. I mean, I broadly assume it's a classic case of suits throwing money at consultants to fix what isn't broken, but the changes gutted so much of the show in such specific ways that there's the shape of something there. Could be as dead simple as "Q5 was not-so-secretly a conservative and/or Christian organization" but it's impossible to say for certain. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Aug 12, 2023 17:36
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWhDIZXIx4 This video is an emotional journey in 7 minutes, you think it's going to be like the "getting Boss Baby vibes from this" meme but then.
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Aug 12, 2023 17:42
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Assepoester posted:F.D. Signifier has been criticizing AoT for years at this point and you just keep showing up to defend it Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him?
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Aug 12, 2023 20:29
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? lol
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Aug 12, 2023 20:49
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lmao
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Aug 12, 2023 20:54
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they also liked to post multiple videos per post without any context repeatedly in threads until moderators kept telling them to stop and eventually probed and banned and probed and banned
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Aug 12, 2023 20:57
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If you’re going to impersonate someone who’s on youtube and be boring white noise, you could at least pretend to be Phelous.
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Aug 12, 2023 20:59
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Online Creators V: I don't even think he's making an argument, he's impersonating Youtubers
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Aug 12, 2023 21:15
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? 
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Aug 12, 2023 21:40
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Dawgstar posted:Poor woman took a break from social media not the other week because people were bullying her because she said she didn't give permission for her voiced to be frankensteined into some AI song. Oh it gets worse: https://twitter.com/BenjaminOscar77/status/1690091753691332610?t=eEzbImUZ0MxpLFl2UK7Yzw&s=19 Up to and including dead people!
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Aug 12, 2023 21:46
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I still think AI technology is cool as hell, but the way it's currently being implemented is horrific.
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Aug 12, 2023 21:59
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It's not cool, it's disgusting. Antipathy is the only correct response.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:01
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It has cool potential uses, mostly in programming. Everything else slides down way faster.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:08
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Gaius Marius posted:It's not cool, it's disgusting. Antipathy is the only correct response. The fact that you ignored half of my post to tell me what my "correct" opinion should be sure is something.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:13
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AI like google assistant or map generation for a forest or whatever's fine. The AI that sucks is ChatGPT used by that lawyer or stealing people's art.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:13
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I still think AI technology is cool as hell, but the way it's currently being implemented is horrific. It rules when you can make some stupid poo poo  
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Aug 12, 2023 22:16
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Even in a world without capitalism where plagiarism and labor abuse wasn't a factor I don't think AI content (that isn't just poo poo post memes) would really be much better. I'm already so tired of the "hyper-rendered anime doll with crazy JJ Abrams lighting" AI house style.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:18
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? lol
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Aug 12, 2023 22:20
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? thanks I thought I hallucinated this also, just realized they are also the insanely bad poster The United States. huh.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:25
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Famethrowa posted:thanks I thought I hallucinated this lol
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Aug 12, 2023 22:26
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him?
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Aug 12, 2023 22:45
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? Lol
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Aug 12, 2023 22:51
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I still think AI technology is cool as hell, but the way it's currently being implemented is horrific. DeafNote posted:It has cool potential uses, mostly in programming. A surprisingly small amount of programming involves writing the for loops that SALAMI is so good at short-cutting, and a lot of it requires complex reasoning about hundreds, thousands, or even up to a million lines of code. Then there's all the waiting for testing, both unit testing, integration testing, static analysis, fuzzing (with a whole host of analyzers), and all the other things that programmers do when they aren't actually writing code. Doesn't seem worth it, if you ask me. EDIT: Famethrowa posted:thanks I thought I hallucinated this BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Aug 12, 2023 23:40
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John Murdoch posted:His video thoroughly goes into what Q5 did but not really the greater why. I mean, I broadly assume it's a classic case of suits throwing money at consultants to fix what isn't broken, but the changes gutted so much of the show in such specific ways that there's the shape of something there. Could be as dead simple as "Q5 was not-so-secretly a conservative and/or Christian organization" but it's impossible to say for certain. As far as I've ever been able to determine, it was just some blinkered notion that ABC needed to "fix" their shows which included Real Ghostbusters which was still I think the most popular show in its timeslot on Saturday. Arc Hammer posted:Oh it gets worse: Yeah, and that's a response to "We don't have Erica Lindbeck on our list!" Whoopsie-doodle.
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Aug 12, 2023 23:44
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:A surprisingly small amount of programming involves writing the for loops that SALAMI is so good at short-cutting, and a lot of it requires complex reasoning about hundreds, thousands, or even up to a million lines of code. I felt similarly until I got to play with Copilot X. Its context window is still overly small but they're clever about what they load into it and stuff like testing in a way that works to an unsettling degree. I am not optimistic about AI in general and ElevenLabs should be dangled out the window by their collective ankles for this bullshit, but for software development it shows promise for making awful developers tolerable, and in a lot of places (like the team I got suckered into leading at my current place) that is actually a really large improvement.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:24
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I think AI voice generation will end up being extremely useful in video games, though of course it’s important that the sampling be done with the person’s consent. It’s not quite at the level yet where it can convincingly mimic real human speech, but it will be. One of the big obstacles right now to creating dialogue-heavy games is that most or all of the speech is expected to be voice-acted, which costs money and places limits on editing because each changed line means you have to get the actor back to rerecord it. It’s part of why Fallout 4’s dialogue system, where the protagonist was voiced for the first time, was so limited compared to the previous games. Using AI will mean game devs can write as much as they want, and easily edit it whenever they want. It’s also going to be a huge boon to the makers of mods and low-budget indie games who otherwise couldn’t afford voice acting at all.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:28
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Bakeneko posted:I think AI voice generation will end up being extremely useful in video games, though of course it’s important that the sampling be done with the person’s consent. It’s not quite at the level yet where it can convincingly mimic real human speech, but it will be. I'm ready to play a fantasy open world rpg populated by the Obama, Trump and Biden voice samples.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:32
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Nuns with Guns posted:Aren't you the one who changed your username to "F.D. Signifier" and pretended to be him to post his videos here and in other subforums to get people mad at him? Bakeneko posted:I think AI voice generation will end up being extremely useful in video games, though of course it’s important that the sampling be done with the person’s consent. It’s not quite at the level yet where it can convincingly mimic real human speech, but it will be. Impermanent posted:I'm ready to play a fantasy open world rpg populated by the Obama, Trump and Biden voice samples. Voice actors who have isolated audio files in videogames would probably work okay too, since they have a ton of clear audio to work with as well. But the question is, why would they want to? They're voice actors, they get paid for the lines they record. Why should any of them give any company the ability to just generate new lines based on their voice sample perpetually? Seems like a scheme to allow these videogame company CEOs to continue concentrating wealth at the top while paying workers nothing. So this basically leaves long past public figures who are now dead. After a long enough time, any recordings of their speeches will be public domain, so everyone can go nuts. But it's still rather ghoulish. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 00:43
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Bakeneko posted:I think AI voice generation will end up being extremely useful in video games, though of course it’s important that the sampling be done with the person’s consent. It’s not quite at the level yet where it can convincingly mimic real human speech, but it will be. it's gonna be loving awful and the only reason this technology is being worked on at all is because companies don't want to pay actors a fair wage.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:44
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Assepoester posted:Got banned for posting one of his videos in the AoT thread and changed my name so you'd see "F.D. Signifier" on the ban message but then when I posted again people started asking if I was him and realized it was misleading so I changed it 
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Aug 13, 2023 00:45
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Bakeneko posted:One of the big obstacles right now to creating dialogue-heavy games is that most or all of the speech is expected to be voice-acted are you insane, the most popular indie rpg of the last ten years uses soundfont blips for dialogue
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Aug 13, 2023 00:48
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stealing people's voices, identities and careers to generate a glorified text-to-speech reader, what a marvelous leap forward in technology
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Aug 13, 2023 00:49
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Bakeneko posted:It’s also going to be a huge boon to the makers of mods and low-budget indie games who otherwise couldn’t afford voice acting at all. would it surprise anyone to learn that the makers of mods are largely using this to make deepfake porn mods using the voices of a games original cast https://twitter.com/Robbie92_/status/1674944276109688833
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Aug 13, 2023 00:55
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repiv posted:would it surprise anyone to learn that the makers of mods are largely using this to make deepfake porn mods using the voices of a games original cast You read the part of my post where I said it's important that the samples be acquired from consenting people, right? Obviously that doesn't cover this situation. The important thing is; the tech exists, and people are gonna use it. Might as well encourage them to use it ethically rather than pretend you can un-invent it.
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Aug 13, 2023 01:01
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the fact that stolen material keeps showing up even in high-profile tech demoes says all you need to know. the technology will never be separated from labor theft. if it's not outright taking people's likenesses without their permission it will be tricking people into handing over the rights to use their likeness indefinitely for only a day's pay (there is a massive hollywood actor strike going on right now over exactly that)
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Aug 13, 2023 01:02
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Bakeneko posted:You read the part of my post where I said it's important that the samples be acquired from consenting people, right? Obviously that doesn't cover this situation. and they won't, ever, and it wouldn't be given if they did, because the people who use this technology are thieves and the people they're stealing from want to keep their jobs the endless blinkered naivete from you people genuinely has me seeing red almost as much as the constant robotic insistence that the technology is here, better get used to it. are you another scam artist or just too ignorant to understand any of the implications of what you're saying? rear end in a top hat or idiot? you can be both but you can't be neither
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Aug 13, 2023 01:05
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I'm going to start stealing posts to train AI to create the angriest forum poster ever.
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Aug 13, 2023 01:15
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I think it's possible to be very idealistically attached to the idea of an individual technology like its some sort of abstract thing that exists independently of its environment. Because that was the dominant perspective given to people about how capital letters TECHNOLOGY works for the past like 70 years and maybe they haven't shaken that notion. Also getting mad at people for having like the naive default views on things is maybe kind of pathetic? Get a life or get better at educating people instead of being really proud of having read one chapter ahead of the class. Impermanent fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 01:19
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i think the benefit of the doubt on that one sailed around six months ago when it became clear that pretty much every use of machine learning in the arts was downright malignant, short of using it as a more complex "Fill" tool. meanwhile you have lines like Bakeneko posted:The important thing is; the tech exists, and people are gonna use it. Might as well encourage them to use it ethically rather than pretend you can un-invent it. which are parroted verbatim by absolutely everyone who still evangelizes it, just like the cloisters of NFT fanatics last year one of the things that does my head in with the AI fanatics is coupling that libertarian tech worship with the insistence that we just need to regulate ethics into its use. it's a total contradiction, so the most obvious answer is that the "we need to regulate" part is a lie and they just want to keep stealing as much and as enthusiastically as possible
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Oxxidation posted:and they won't, ever, and it wouldn't be given if they did, because the people who use this technology are thieves and the people they're stealing from want to keep their jobs Well then let's hear your suggestion for handling this, then. Because nothing you've said has disproven the simple fact that, as I stated, the tech can't be un-invented. Realistically there's also no way it's going to be banned, either, although I can see some limitations being imposed in order to give specific actors control over how their voice samples are used.
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