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Another poster! I was thinking Perrin would be with Mat but this makes sense too https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1691821671110578648
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Mat is with Min, they must travel to Falme together somehow. https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1691828471818080646?s=20
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:the sons of hawkwing hated aes sedai i guess, and when they got to seanchan they found aes sedai claiming power for themselves The super hatred of Aes Sedai was helped along by the shadow however.
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CainFortea posted:The super hatred of Aes Sedai was helped along by the shadow however. To be fair the Aes Sedai of that era did themselves no favors. (whether or not that was also helped along by the shadow, open question)
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Here's another. Might be done? Where's Loial? https://twitter.com/TheWheelOfTime/status/1691836223386800405
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I doubt there would be one for Loial. They seem to represent main character plotline pairings. Loial tags along with Perrin and the sheinarans judging from the trailer and teasers.
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Aug 16, 2023 17:20
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Loial and a really nice thick book
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pik_d posted:Here's another. Might be done? Where's Loial? Ishy and suroth?
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Whenever the book hasn’t mentioned Loial in a while, he’s just been in his room down the hall reading Pocket Loial dimension
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RC Cola posted:Ishy and suroth? Yeah, she's been confirmed. It's also in the alt text in the tweet.
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Aug 16, 2023 17:34
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Data Graham posted:Whenever the book hasn’t mentioned Loial in a while, he’s just been in his room down the hall reading Whenever he's not on-page all the other characters should be asking "Where's Loial?"
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Mad Hamish posted:Whenever he's not on-page all the other characters should be asking "Where's Loial?" The unpublished chapters following Elder Haman, Covril, and Erith.
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No mirror world  Natasha O'Keeffe is billed as "Selene, an innkeeper from Cairhien, with whom (Rand) has made a connection" in the press release from Prime Video.https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/en/press-release/prime-video-releases-seven-new-character-posters-f
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Aug 16, 2023 20:31
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Bleh, all the alternate dimensions are some of the best parts of the books.
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Aug 16, 2023 21:03
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Given the climax of season 1, as well as the accepted test part that seems like it will be in season 2, i am not at all surprised the mirror worlds got cut. They only have so much time to tell the story and they don't want to spend half the season on other timelines.
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Invalid Validation posted:Bleh, all the alternate dimensions are some of the best parts of the books. yeah agreed
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pik_d posted:Loial and a really nice thick book I mean, some scenes showing the Ogier during the Last Battle and Loial just straight up slaughtering Trollocs with all his Ogier friends should be pretty cool. Though with the poster showing Aviendha and Perrin, I don't have high hopes for seeing Gaul. I hope they fit him in, he was a great supporting character in Perrin's story.
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Invalid Validation posted:Bleh, all the alternate dimensions are some of the best parts of the books. I could see cutting the mirror world and keeping in the flickers. While the mirror world adds to the weirdness of the setting it could easily be skipped.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I could see cutting the mirror world and keeping in the flickers. While the mirror world adds to the weirdness of the setting it could easily be skipped. Agreed. If we don’t get a FLICKER FLICKER I WIN AGAIN LEWS THERIN I’ll be super bummed. The washed out alternate world can be cut.
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Agreed. If we don’t get a FLICKER FLICKER I WIN AGAIN LEWS THERIN I’ll be super bummed. The washed out alternate world can be cut. It would sap a lot of enthusiasm that I have for the show, tbh. I love that flicker flicker sequence so much.
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It's pretty important to the ongoing repeating history theme too
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The mirror world only exists to split Rand off from the hunt party and force him to step up as a leader. Given where he ended S1 it doesn't really serve any purpose.
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Rarity posted:The mirror world only exists to split Rand off from the hunt party and force him to step up as a leader. Given where he ended S1 it doesn't really serve any purpose. Also so we hear the wolves call him Shadowkiller, but you can easily do that anywhere in the story. I guess it also starts Perrin on the path to accepting what he can do
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The flicker flicker thing is very rad, but it's a small set piece that doesn't really come up again outside that book. They're already touched on alternate histories in the show.
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Plus they already covered the most emotionally impactful flicker (Rand and Egwene settling down together) at the end of S1 so what else would you do with it?
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I really don't think losing the flicker scene is that big a deal
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Nihilarian posted:I really don't think losing the flicker scene is that big a deal But it's so cool
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It sets a tone and ties into the endless cycle of existence and gives some interesting subtle background on the characters involved as well as showing that some of the characters involved made heinous decisions in their other lives, but not this one. It's poignant and great and tbh that's why I expect it's on the cutting room floor for the series.
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We might see it as Falme, as a kind of extension of what we got at the end of season 1. I really liked it, but I guess I can live with it being cut.
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Pleads posted:It's poignant and great and tbh that's why I expect it's on the cutting room floor for the series. 
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Pleads posted:It's poignant and great and tbh that's why I expect it's on the cutting room floor for the series. I cut again, viewers. -Rafe
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flicker flicker flicker is a very small part of the book, but each iteration would take a fair chunk of screen time to make any sense at all, because each one is basically an entire life. Spending an entire episode on it would probably fail to get the same impact as those few paragraphs. It is essentially unfilmable.
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pik_d posted:Loial and a really nice thick book Prob the most book resembling casting they've done so far.
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Gnoman posted:flicker flicker flicker is a very small part of the book, but each iteration would take a fair chunk of screen time to make any sense at all, because each one is basically an entire life. Spending an entire episode on it would probably fail to get the same impact as those few paragraphs. It is essentially unfilmable. As long as they don't replace with plotlines made for the show, which I suspect is what's going to happen based on S1
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Flicker flicker would probably take a decent chunk of budget but it would be worth it. It's just so cool. I do expect they'll cut it, I think they are pretty budget cautious. And the show has to be so streamlined due to the episodes being kept to 50-ish minutes and only 8 episodes per season (yes I know, sad warder etc etc but still).
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El Grillo posted:Flicker flicker would probably take a decent chunk of budget but it would be worth it. It's just so cool. They don't have to show the whole thing, do some background stuff showing glimpses of other scenes that can be all CGI, have everyone act really messed up by it. Maybe one shorter one just to show what's happening, and then the rest all background stuff, like explosions and burning towns, then a peaceful city, that kind of thing. We see Rand's flickers, but we don't see Mat's or the others, they just act freaked out by it so I think it would be possible to still get it, just not as big as it was in the books. I think it's doable and I really like how it affected the characters.
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Yeah I agree it would be doable budget-wise in theory, hell you can do a lot of stuff a lot cheaper than most people would think, even stuff like the scene in destroyed Caemlyn (that's flicker flicker right?) If you have great cast it would be a brilliant challenge for them too, playing their characters suddenly years down the line/several seasons further along in the series, etc. I don't really think the folks running the show are up to doing it right, but in a way I'd be pleasantly surprised if they were ambitious enough to give it a go. I also kind of agree with others who say it's a sort of isolated incident that doesn't actually affect much plot-wise. So there is some sort of justification for cutting it. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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I was inspired to re-read the series for the first time in forever when season 1 came out, obviously the show was imperfect but it was interesting how it was adapted and the choices they made in what to cut or emphasize or add. Similarly excited for s2, with the challenge of condensing 2 books into 8 episodes, especially since they can't just have a ballooning cast of characters. They really seem to be leaning into this angle with the marketing on twitter, trying to get everyone to guess who has been cast as which character, and what the character pairings mean for the plot changes, it's been fun thinking about it! It's been a real turnoff reading the reaction from a lot of purist book fans, especially because I know if I was still an insular and sullen 15 year old, or let's face it even into my twenties, I probably would have had the same reaction to this supposed desecration of the source material. I just don't have the time or energy to get that upset about stuff like this anymore. I never would have done my re-read without the show, and this time I picked up on all the stuff I'd missed the first time around when I was only in it for the action scenes. I must have re-read The Shadow Rising more than any of the others, I was amazed how much was so familiar. All that to say I will still pretend to grumble about the missing book scenes when talking about it with friends who came to the show first. I agree it would be pretty hard to do the flicker-flicker onscreen, but I'd still be satisfied with a quick montage of Rand dying in different settings even if it's not fully explained what's going on.
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I'm the same way, it really would give the other people with him a chance to show off how much it affected them, and it would actually be book accurate to only see the Rand bits (or just short snippets of it).
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I don’t think it would be that hard. The books don’t actually confirm them to be different timelines or just dreams. I guess if you think your audience is dumb as gently caress then you just don’t do it. And they didn’t really do that great with the Ways so they probably shouldn’t do anything that stretches their wings visually.
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