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Mr. Mercury posted:In the interest of preventing the garbage argument merry-go-round, would it help to index common misconceptions/refutations of said points in the OP (as the thread progresses, not all at once) so we can point people that way instead of derail discussions? Maybe quote the original post and refuting posts there? This post has a lot of information (which is great) but little speaking to exact queries. This has crossed my mind a bunch of times, we should have more OP resources in more threads but it takes effort that mods and OPs aren't necessarily available to spend.
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Oh don't be silly. The thread's been a lot of trouble. You should close it. People can still use the existing posts as a resource if they want.
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# ? Aug 20, 2023 04:37 |
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PhazonLink posted:am i missing the thatsthejoke? Maybe we could make them all EVs?
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh don't be silly. The thread's been a lot of trouble.
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# ? Aug 20, 2023 13:43 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh don't be silly. The thread's been a lot of trouble. You should close it. People can still use the existing posts as a resource if they want. example of it being an important issue: The AQI is currently 485 where I am due to out of control wildfires. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Aug 20, 2023 |
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There's a bit of a catch 22 with low effort posts that are wrong because interrogating exactly what the muffin man is getting wrong here, and there's obviously a lot of it, requires a kind of questioning that will inevitably be interpreted as posting about posters. Because it would have to be, to sort out what bits of science this particular incorrect person does and does not understand. Like. Do you understand that "it's not the fall that kills you it's the sudden stop". Is funny but it's also literally true and perfectly analogous to the difference between summer warming my house and me setting my home on fire, and the "phases" argument. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Aug 20, 2023 |
# ? Aug 20, 2023 16:57 |
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He is making a sarcastic point about the Media Lit thread being shut down. Which needless to say is not appropriate discussion for this thread.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 00:54 |
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If this thread is going to devolve a discussion of nothing more than climate change is fake... then maybe it's time this thread takes a break. It's not like there hasn't been a ton of discussion in the past.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 03:56 |
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do you guys know if increased CO2 levels results in rapid algae growth?
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 04:03 |
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There is a Can climate change denial just be a bannable offense for this thread and we can all move on?
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 04:04 |
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While climate change is one of those things that countries like Finland will be the least affected by, it also seems we just found a hereto unknown underground aquifer. And it's a big one. The biggest underground aquifer in the nordics. And it's not far inland from where I live. Due to some interesting geological quirks which means the aquifer is very drought resistant and is continually refilled from the rainfall of a very large area that all runs into it eventually. Feels like this will be an important discovery for dealing with climate change for us.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 06:36 |
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Bad news, all that rainwater has unsafe levels of PFAS
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 12:32 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:While climate change is one of those things that countries like Finland will be the least affected by, it also seems we just found a hereto unknown underground aquifer. And it's a big one. The biggest underground aquifer in the nordics. And it's not far inland from where I live. This is an interesting data point but that doesn't change the fact that the climate is still changing everywhere. Some places are already on the edge of human habitability, some will be climate refuges. But even there refuges will still be affected. A couple years ago a think tank ranked all 3200 US counties based on the severity of climate impacts and Lamoille County Vermont was supposedly the best place to be. It borders where I grew up. The assumptions were not wrong, but that didn't stop the second 100 year flood in 14 years from devastating the area. Finland will still have more severe heat waves, floods, and droughts. It will still have more mild winters, that will mean insects that you have never seen before will now be able to survive your winters and destroy your forests. And you are highly dependent on a robust Gulf Stream and AMOC. Nowhere is safe
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 15:32 |
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I'm in the PNW, which has long been seen as one of the best-situated places. We've had heatwaves, massive fires, smoke, drought, and other things. I don't think it's really productive to worry about exactly where you're living. It's hard to know what things will be like a decade or two out, especially on regional/local scales. Best to focus on developing good social bonds to weather whatever problems occur.
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Zeta Taskforce posted:This is an interesting data point but that doesn't change the fact that the climate is still changing everywhere. Some places are already on the edge of human habitability, some will be climate refuges. But even there refuges will still be affected. A couple years ago a think tank ranked all 3200 US counties based on the severity of climate impacts and Lamoille County Vermont was supposedly the best place to be. It borders where I grew up. The assumptions were not wrong, but that didn't stop the second 100 year flood in 14 years from devastating the area. The Gulf Stream collapsing will probably clear all those insects right up, though.
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# ? Aug 21, 2023 15:46 |
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I like to equate the gently caress-you-got-mine thinking of “well my region will ride it out so I shouldn’t worry” to the same people who think a personal bunker would be the answer to anything: sure it may make you feel better but just wait until other people find out come for your resources or perceived safety. Of course that line of thinking when extrapolated back towards climate change leads right into blame-migrants style politics that allows the rich to further cement control via fascists so yay?
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Harold Fjord posted:Bad news, all that rainwater has unsafe levels of PFAS
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jeeves posted:I like to equate the gently caress-you-got-mine thinking of “well my region will ride it out so I shouldn’t worry” to the same people who think a personal bunker would be the answer to anything: sure it may make you feel better but just wait until other people find out come for your resources or perceived safety. Zeta Taskforce posted:This is an interesting data point but that doesn't change the fact that the climate is still changing everywhere. Some places are already on the edge of human habitability, some will be climate refuges. But even there refuges will still be affected. A couple years ago a think tank ranked all 3200 US counties based on the severity of climate impacts and Lamoille County Vermont was supposedly the best place to be. It borders where I grew up. The assumptions were not wrong, but that didn't stop the second 100 year flood in 14 years from devastating the area. Wasn't saying we where safe. Everything will get worse. But that's why I'm glad we at least got this aquifer.
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jeeves posted:I like to equate the gently caress-you-got-mine thinking of “well my region will ride it out so I shouldn’t worry” to the same people who think a personal bunker would be the answer to anything: sure it may make you feel better but just wait until other people find out come for your resources or perceived safety. If it didn't lead down a path of Fascism, they'd manufacture consent until it did.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Wasn't saying we where safe. Everything will get worse. But that's why I'm glad we at least got this aquifer. Russia: You mean OUR aquifer.
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# ? Aug 22, 2023 03:40 |
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https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695462826436153817 I can't express enough how much I hate this loving worm of a man, first we had right wingers disingenuously concerned about birds hitting wind turbines, now they've upgraded to whales.
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 06:41 |
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lol “which I executive produced, “
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 06:50 |
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they didnt care about whales for decades why now? (because their beachside property prices might not go up up up to inf, and their hydrocarbon masters might keep making more.) also i've noticed that some places have now started using the super category of hydrocarbons.
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 06:57 |
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The fact that even the ny post used 'proves' in quotes in its headline makes me somewhat doubt this.
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 08:43 |
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If we're going to talk about terrible climate people Shellenberger is nuts and not taken that seriously along with Bjorn Lomborg. Alex Epstein however has been regularly invited to Congress.
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 10:15 |
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Things are proceeding apace in Antarctica.BBC posted:A catastrophic die-off of emperor penguin chicks has been observed in the Antarctic, with up to 10,000 young birds estimated to have been killed.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:If we're going to talk about terrible climate people Shellenberger is nuts and not taken that seriously along with Bjorn Lomborg. Alex Epstein however has been regularly invited to Congress. https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695821301691318418 I'd like to say he doesn't matter but his career now is essentially making threads like this constantly, getting tens of thousands of likes and retweets and Elon Musk commenting 'Concerning!' before appearing on Joe Rogan to talk about how homeless people in San Francisco need to be exterminated, the US government is hiding the aliens and there's a vast conspiracy lying to the public that Global Warming is real and has effects on things. Remember, this man started out as a 'reasonable environmentalist who had some concerns with the extreme parts of the movement'.
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# ? Aug 27, 2023 18:14 |
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Another study of carbon offset project effectiveness, unsurprisingly they don't do much:quote:But a systematic evaluation of 26 carbon offset projects that claim to slow the rate of potential deforestation in six countries on three continents found that the vast majority of projects did not actually slow deforestation, and those that did were significantly less effective than they claimed
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Owling Howl posted:Things are proceeding apace in Antarctica. Climate Change: Death March of the Penguins khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695821301691318418 Why exterminate the homeless when you could, I dunno, concentrate them in "camps" and force them to contribute to the betterment of our society, like the [REDACTED] do with the [REDACTED] minority in the [REDACTED] province of [REDACTED]! We'd be much better stewards of the downtrodden and unfortunate than they are, and they'd have JOBS at long last! Everyone wins! (I seriously think this is coming in our lifetimes because it's evil both sides of the political spectrum at the policymaking level can get behind if they can "sell/spin" it right ) BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695821301691318418 He's gone from being somewhat talented scientist with a decent career to pushing out terrible conclusions online that are factually wrong then going on crank's alt-right radio show that's slowly fading into obscurity. The dude sucks but he has no real impact. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Climate Change: Death March of the Penguins This is already being implemented in Oregon: https://www.opb.org/article/2022/11/17/portland-oregon-camping-ban-housing-homeless-homelessness-shelters/
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Meanwhile in Florida:quote:“You've got waters that are warm and there's not really going to be much to slow it down,” DeSantis said. “We can hope for the best but I believe we should prepare for the worst.” https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...the%20worst.%94 So Ron, why are the waters so warm? Historically warm in fact. Yeah the same guy: quote:DeSantis’s Florida Approves Climate-Denial Videos in Schools https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/desantiss-florida-approves-climate-denial-videos-in-schools/
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# ? Aug 28, 2023 22:01 |
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Guus Berkhout is at it again ... 1,600 scientists, including two Nobel laureates, declare climate ’emergency’ a myth More about that here: https://theclimatetrail.substack.com/p/guus-berkhout-is-at-it-again
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VideoGameVet posted:Guus Berkhout is at it again ... Are any of those scientists climatologists
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A big flaming stink posted:Are any of those scientists climatologists I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. I profile the two Nobel Laureates that were touted. quote:The two “Nobel Laureates” listed in this declaration are: I did find a lot of people (besides those two) in the oil industry and/or on conservative think tanks. What a Co-Inky-Dink!
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VideoGameVet posted:I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. I profile the two Nobel Laureates that were touted. Looks like those “Nobel prize laureates” were both has-been physicists who peaked in the 1970s. It’s a great example of the need for folks to filter their information sources. Garbage people don’t need to be individually rebutted, they need to be ignored.
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# ? Sep 1, 2023 03:05 |
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VideoGameVet posted:I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. Ah, but clearly climate scientists cannot be trusted because they're in on the conspiracy. What better evidence than the fact that they've been warning us about this from beginning?
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# ? Sep 1, 2023 10:45 |
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Climate scientists gotta keep that grant money coming in to fund their lavish lifestyles. All those postdocs out there going to coke and hooker parties in Dubai, disgusting.
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VideoGameVet posted:I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. I profile the two Nobel Laureates that were touted. Clauser jumping on that ship is very disappointing. Dude literally proved Einstein wrong experimentally, which is one heck of a claim to fame.
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Heard of a new thing on the radio. Apparently framing techniques are being used to greatly expand where it’s possible to do geothermal. Times has an article on it: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/climate/geothermal-energy-projects.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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