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Cocaine Bear posted:Yeah, Ukraine should probably just surrender. Uh, no? They should fight to the last man with the understanding that their support is limited.
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Aug 31, 2023 13:21
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daslog posted:It also illustrates the point that Europe (just like the USA) will support Ukraine as long as it's convenient for them to do so. Actual sacrifice? Not going to happen. I think you missed the point in other people's reply to you(cocaine bear), in that this statement is not helpful nor does it add to any concept of discussion. It's just a negative perspective. Entire countries are not somehow solely supporting Ukraine because it's convenient to do so, nor doing the opposite with Russia. That's painting a pretty broad brush for the entire war/absurd reduction. Even at a base level there's political motivation and historical/genocidal concerns before we get to everything in the entire thread. I'm surprised lng import from bad sources is showing that high vs historic usage but it's dishonest anyway. https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-imports shows that 2023 is steady but extremely below prior years - like 3-6x less. So it's not 0 but that's not realistic for now anyway. That's like saying "Russia is now declared terrorists by the usa why haven't usd flows to Russia gone to 0?"
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Aug 31, 2023 14:17
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Not to take this thread off track, but I came across this link in the China thread. Apparently, China has marked a small island in the Amur River that it shares with Russia as fully belonging to China on official maps published recently. I don't know how significant this is from a Chinese perspective but it seems to show that Russia is losing some standing amongst its neighbors. https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1696624183470408168
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Aug 31, 2023 14:31
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Which of the various pipelines are we talking about here? The one through Ukraine which Ukraine actually gets money from?
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Aug 31, 2023 14:34
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Mano posted:Which of the various pipelines are we talking about here? LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) is transported on big ships. It is highly compressed natural gas, so compressed that it turns in to a liquid form. It is a parallel flow to any pipelines. It requires a fair amount of equipment and capacity to process and transport, so Russia's ability to convert flows is limited. The volumes are growing but small. 22 million cubic meters compares to over 150 billion cubic meters of pipeline gas from Russia in 2021. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 14:46
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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1697184253568499857 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1697179101436526826 https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1697233188832059854 Daytime drone attacks are a new thing, right? fuctifino fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 14:48
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NATO caught red-handed after launching a special grazing operation across the Russian border: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?r=US&IR=Tquote:Russia is demanding Norway pay over $4.4 million in compensation after 42 Norwegian reindeer wandered across the border
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Aug 31, 2023 15:01
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daslog posted:It also illustrates the point that Europe (just like the USA) will support Ukraine as long as it's convenient for them to do so. Actual sacrifice? Not going to happen. Countries acting in their own self-interest as a priority? How unexpected. But I wonder what you consider 'actual sacrifice' to be?
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Aug 31, 2023 15:05
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Rugz posted:Countries acting in their own self-interest as a priority? How unexpected. But I wonder what you consider 'actual sacrifice' to be? They should stop buying Russian Fossil Fuels.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:08
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FishMcCool posted:NATO caught red-handed after launching a special grazing operation across the Russian border: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?r=US&IR=T Oh deer 
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Aug 31, 2023 15:09
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daslog posted:They should stop buying Russian Fossil Fuels. That seems like quite an arbitrary 'actual sacrifice'.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:14
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FishMcCool posted:NATO caught red-handed after launching a special grazing operation across the Russian border: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-demands-norway-pay-millions-for-reindeer-border-crossing-2023-8?r=US&IR=T Are you sure it wasn't red-hoofed (or red-nosed?)
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Aug 31, 2023 15:16
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Rugz posted:That seems like quite an arbitrary 'actual sacrifice'. I’m what way would that be arbitrary?
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Aug 31, 2023 15:33
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Is there an article on the "new?" Suicide drones Ukraine is using? I've seen pictures of the boats and the quadcopter suicide drones, but the videos posted above looks like converted Cessnas or other small hobby planes.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:35
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daslog posted:They should stop buying Russian Fossil Fuels. https://www.bruegel.org/policy-brief/eu-can-manage-without-russian-liquified-natural-gas Yeah I thought the main thrust of the article was deliberately fuzzy. They focus on 40% more LNG while ignoring the drops in GWh Crude Oil went from 105,000 GWh in March 2022 to 12,000 GWh in March 2023. Diesel from 23,100 to 290 GWh. Pipeline gas from 113,000 to 24,000. LNG from 19,400 to 14,500. Coal: 31,000 to 0. 291,500 GWh imported from Russia in March 2022 to 50,790 GWh in March 2023. A drop of over 80% in total energy imports. So in March 2022, LNG was under 7% of total energy imports. So assuming it went up 40%, thats +2.8%, while the total imported went down -80%. Oddly the article seems to focus on the +2.8% really hard, you know? quote:BRUSSELS, Aug 30 (Reuters) - European Union countries have massively reduced their imports of energy from Russia compared with before the Ukraine war, demonstrating the EU's aim to quit Russian fossil fuels within a few years, an analysis by campaigners showed.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:40
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Donkringel posted:Is there an article on the "new?" Suicide drones Ukraine is using? I've seen pictures of the boats and the quadcopter suicide drones, but the videos posted above looks like converted Cessnas or other small hobby planes. https://youtu.be/voPCPhzmL10?si=p32p4EdWWvGt3nXk Some drone prototypes are shown here, but none that big. Also something interesting that got mentioned on the Economist was that a not insignificant number of the drones going into Russia are effectively PR for the companies (of which there are loads) making them. Most aren't funded by the Ukrainian govt from the start so it's a way to demonstrate their capabilities towards obtaining funding and ramping up to full production.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:41
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Jon posted:I’m what way would that be arbitrary? It's not like Western money only flows to Russia in exchange for fuel, or that a complete removal of Russian fuel would create a different dynamic within the West. In what way is it not arbitrary?
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Aug 31, 2023 15:50
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Mr. Apollo posted:Not to take this thread off track, but I came across this link in the China thread. Apparently, China has marked a small island in the Amur River that it shares with Russia as fully belonging to China on official maps published recently. I don't know how significant this is from a Chinese perspective but it seems to show that Russia is losing some standing amongst its neighbors. My understanding is that the border dispute has never been fully settled and officially China 'owns' the whole island, just like that area at the Indian border. It doesn't seem like they would be actually escalating anything there, unlike in 1969 though, and the border treaty of 1991 is still in force. As to why, it might be a side effect of a harder line on Taiwan. As in if the party has ordered the map committee to make sure that all territories, islands and sea areas that are officially part of PRC, are clearly marked as such. Just guessing.
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Aug 31, 2023 15:51
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Heliosicle posted:... Setting aside ethics for this bit but this war has been the best tech demo for a plethora of arms & tech companies throughout the world since god knows when.  Humanity; so innovative when it comes to pain & destruction. 
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Aug 31, 2023 15:57
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Donkringel posted:Is there an article on the "new?" Suicide drones Ukraine is using? I've seen pictures of the boats and the quadcopter suicide drones, but the videos posted above looks like converted Cessnas or other small hobby planes. They've just received a shipment of flatpacked cardboard drones from Australia:  https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-struck-5-russian-jets-drones-made-cardboard-2023-8?r=US&IR=T quote:Insider could not independently confirm the claim, but on Tuesday Ukraine's ambassador to Australia Vasyl Myroshnychenko said in a post on X: "Cardboard drones from Australia used in attack on Russian airfield."
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Aug 31, 2023 16:11
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Nenonen posted:My understanding is that the border dispute has never been fully settled and officially China 'owns' the whole island, just like that area at the Indian border. It doesn't seem like they would be actually escalating anything there, unlike in 1969 though, and the border treaty of 1991 is still in force. fuctifino posted:They've just received a shipment of flatpacked cardboard drones from Australia:
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Aug 31, 2023 16:25
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fuctifino posted:They've just received a shipment of flatpacked cardboard drones from Australia: Some interesting info on them here: https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1697264558019358760 I guess being invisible to radar would be due to the cardboard? A neat side effect of their low cost design
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Aug 31, 2023 16:36
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Gotta love the historical irony of thousands of years of warfare tech culminating in a flying cardboard box
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Aug 31, 2023 16:37
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daslog posted:They should stop buying Russian Fossil Fuels. I think the issue is they mostly have, as other people have pointed out. Granted that buying Russian fossil fuels at all isn't a great look here and now, but using all or nothing as an indication that "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" seems an odd argument to make. If someone were to say "All right, in order to burn less fossil fuels and save the environment, I'm only to going to use the thermostat a little bit this winter, much less than I used to," well it'd clearly be better for the environment if they didn't use it at all, but is it not a great improvement over what they used to do, and doesn't their current stance imply a good deal of sacrifice? Tomn fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 16:43
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Chalks posted:I guess being invisible to radar would be due to the cardboard? A neat side effect of their low cost design Wikipedia says $670–$3,350 USD per unit. Good luck keeping up with production of AA munitions especially if they start punching holes in radars and ehatnot.
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Aug 31, 2023 16:47
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) is transported on big ships. It is highly compressed natural gas, so compressed that it turns in to a liquid form. It is a parallel flow to any pipelines. Hmm, interesting. I thought that some was also going through pipes. But the second line is still true AFAIK: pipes from Russia go through Ukraine to Hungary and westerly, and both sides leave them running because ??
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Aug 31, 2023 16:48
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Tomn posted:I think the issue is they mostly have, as other people have pointed out. Granted that buying Russian fossil fuels at all isn't a great look here and now, but using all or nothing as an indication that "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" seems an odd argument to make. If someone were to say "All right, in order to burn less fossil fuels and save the environment, I'm only to going to use the thermostat a little bit this winter, much less than I used to," well it'd clearly be better for the environment if they didn't use it at all, but is it not a great improvement over what they used to do, and doesn't their current stance imply a good deal of sacrifice? A lot of "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" rhetoric seems to come from American commentariat. Yeah we in the EU could be doing better to divest, but also my country has taken on the equivalent of an additional 1% of our population in UKR refugees, but I don't see the US proportionately giving visas to 3-4m Ukrainians somehow...
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Aug 31, 2023 16:53
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Failed Imagineer posted:Gotta love the historical irony of thousands of years of warfare tech culminating in a flying cardboard box You wait until we start sending them the loving Hills Hoist mate 
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Aug 31, 2023 16:56
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Chalks posted:Some interesting info on them here: wow holy poo poo, wonder what kind of transmission system they use. LifeSunDeath fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 16:57
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Failed Imagineer posted:A lot of "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" rhetoric seems to come from American commentariat. Yeah we in the EU could be doing better to divest, but also my country has taken on the equivalent of an additional 1% of our population in UKR refugees, but I don't see the US proportionately giving visas to 3-4m Ukrainians somehow... Would said commentariat be fine with the US committing to sell their LNG at about the same price the Russians did to soften the blow to the EU economies, help the alliance decouple completely from Russian fossil fuels and strengthen strategic economic and diplomatic ties across the Atlantic? This is a rhetorical question.. Column: U.S. LNG exports both a lifeline and a drain for Europe in 2023 Dante80 fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 16:57
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Mano posted:Hmm, interesting. I thought that some was also going through pipes. Why not? Ukraine can also use the fuel. In 2014 in height of shooting war there were trains full of LPG and other energy products that go boom. I don't recall anyone targeting them.
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Aug 31, 2023 17:09
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Failed Imagineer posted:A lot of "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" rhetoric seems to come from American commentariat. Yeah we in the EU could be doing better to divest, but also my country has taken on the equivalent of an additional 1% of our population in UKR refugees, but I don't see the US proportionately giving visas to 3-4m Ukrainians somehow... Did you pay for transit? If not, then there’s some pretty drat obvious reasons that there aren’t 4m ukrainians in the US atm
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Aug 31, 2023 17:11
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Did you pay for transit? If not, then there’s some pretty drat obvious reasons that there aren’t 4m ukrainians in the US atm The biggest limitation on US visas is two-parted: While any number of Ukrainians can apply for a two year work visa in the US, they need an American sponsor willing to support them financially to do it; and secondly, most Ukrainian refugees didn't want to travel so far away from their home. The majority of refugees (4.5 million) have already returned to Ukraine - they wanted to escape to a temporary safety while the situation stabilized, not move half-way around the world. https://www.uscis.gov/ukraine Kaal fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 17:22
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Failed Imagineer posted:A lot of "Europe is unwilling to sacrifice" rhetoric seems to come from American commentariat. Yeah we in the EU could be doing better to divest, but also my country has taken on the equivalent of an additional 1% of our population in UKR refugees, but I don't see the US proportionately giving visas to 3-4m Ukrainians somehow... I would argue that the political climate in the US makes it difficult. That's not an excuse, it's just reality.
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Aug 31, 2023 17:22
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daslog posted:It also illustrates the point that Europe (just like the USA) will support Ukraine as long as it's convenient for them to do so. Actual sacrifice? Not going to happen. You clearly don't live in Europe. Some people's electricity bills shot up by 400% and many people took in Ukrainian refugees in their homes. Very convenient, yes.
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Aug 31, 2023 17:24
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Chalks posted:I guess being invisible to radar would be due to the cardboard? A neat side effect of their low cost design Oh god, Mike Sparks has become the broken clock.
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Aug 31, 2023 17:56
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Slovakia is heading for general election in September, and it seems it's going to have negative repercussions for their future Ukraine support. The frontrunner, albeit by a slim margin, is Robert Fico, a pro-Russian demagogue who has pledged not to send a single round of ammunition to Ukraine, and in addition to that today there was a report that 30% of Slovaks would be ok with returning under Russian sphere of influence. Pretty crazy stuff. https://www.novinky.cz/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-stale-vice-slovaku-by-si-pralo-patrit-do-sfery-ruskeho-vlivu-40442209
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Aug 31, 2023 18:16
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Pope Hilarius II posted:You clearly don't live in Europe. Yeah, from what I've seen European nations have been donating a much higher percentage of their GDP than America has been. Finland knows what's at stake.
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Aug 31, 2023 19:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, from what I've seen European nations have been donating a much higher percentage of their GDP than America has been. Finland knows what's at stake.
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Aug 31, 2023 19:52
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Anders Puck Nielsen on Prigozhin's death and how Russia's propaganda approach has changed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXaEYZbUQhU
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