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Very good episode. Might have been the best one in the series so far. Lanfear is so good in the role, and what they're doing with her in adaptation works perfectly.
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Sep 8, 2023 18:20
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I liked the episode, but I don't know how big a fan I am of Min knowingly working for Ishy. I understand why, dudes incredibly powerful and a legendary villain, I'd poo poo myself and do what he said too. That whole bit is part of a larger change from the books, Min didn't really like seeing things but she'd come to accept it. And her Aunt's weren't such douchebags. I see why they changed it but it's a really big change that I want to see where they go with it.
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Sep 8, 2023 18:36
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That Egwene double take caught me way off guard but I had smoked quite a bit while watching so wasn’t sure. At least I’m not taking crazy pills.
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Sep 8, 2023 18:55
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Hexel posted:I wonder if the durability or speedy resurrection of the Chosen means we'll get seeing balefire soon doesn't nynaeve or one of the other girls use it when they get ambushed/captured on the road that one time (then saved by aviendha and her crew) i feel like we're do for a "holy poo poo what did i just do?" use of balefire sooner than later
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Sep 8, 2023 18:55
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eke out posted:doesn't nynaeve or one of the other girls use it when they get ambushed/captured on the road that one time (then saved by aviendha and her crew) And nynaeve really is the right character for it
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Sep 8, 2023 19:06
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Data Graham posted:I thought the Hopper scene was really well done. It made me so happy, then I got a little misty-eyed because, well, it's Hopper. My wife twigged that Selene was some kind of evil from the beginning, but she thinks the guy she keeps talking about being in love with is Ishamael...that's going to be a fun reveal. seaborgium posted:I liked the episode, but I don't know how big a fan I am of Min knowingly working for Ishy. I understand why, dudes incredibly powerful and a legendary villain, I'd poo poo myself and do what he said too. That whole bit is part of a larger change from the books, Min didn't really like seeing things but she'd come to accept it. And her Aunt's weren't such douchebags. I see why they changed it but it's a really big change that I want to see where they go with it. One minor gripe I have is their need to give everyone a tragic backstory. Mat's parents being the one I can't forgive. I'm interested in seeing where Min's story goes, and it's kind of exciting getting to re-experience the story and not know what's going to happen next. Devorum fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Sep 8, 2023 19:33
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seaborgium posted:I liked the episode, but I don't know how big a fan I am of Min knowingly working for Ishy. I understand why, dudes incredibly powerful and a legendary villain, I'd poo poo myself and do what he said too. That whole bit is part of a larger change from the books, Min didn't really like seeing things but she'd come to accept it. And her Aunt's weren't such douchebags. I see why they changed it but it's a really big change that I want to see where they go with it. Yeah it feels very weird, particularly with how fast she changed her mind during that conversation. Honestly it just feels more like they needed to get her (and Mat) in Falme and worked backwards from there so I am willing to roll with it. In Min's defense though man it would loving suck to see people's futures during a climate induced mass starvation event + actual factual apocalypse. I'd want to ditch that power too.
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Sep 8, 2023 19:40
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i can imagine them going in an okay direction with Min. like, she thought she was working for a Red, even if Liandrin is a very mean and nasty lady, there is zero chance she ever believed she was working for the Shadow here -- the Black Ajah doesn't exist, after all. only when Ishamael showed up in her dreams did she learn, she immediately said gently caress no i won't do it, and he told her she basically has no choice -- i see that as more "i can't get out of this awful situation i am now trapped in by a demigod-level magic user" than anything else eke out fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Sep 8, 2023 19:55
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Devorum posted:It made me so happy, then I got a little misty-eyed because, well, it's Hopper. I'm still disappointed Rafe ignored my "Luca for Hopper" petition  
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Sep 8, 2023 19:55
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Devorum posted:One minor gripe I have is their need to give everyone a tragic backstory. Mat's parents being the one I can't forgive. I think the Cauthons have been merged into the Coplins/Congars. I can see why they did that. Already a lot of characters and families to keep track of.
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Sep 8, 2023 20:02
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I’m trying to figure out how old they intend Moiraine to be because it’s definitely a change from the books where she can’t have been more than 40 (2-3 years training in the tower, 18ish years hunting for the Dragon). Her little sister had to be at least 60-70, so she’s clearly been Aes Sedai a lot longer OR spent a lot longer as a novice/accepted. It seems to be a running theme that EVERYONE is older than the books, and the Aes Sedai by a relatively greater magnitude.
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Sep 8, 2023 20:21
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Devorum posted:It made me so happy, then I got a little misty-eyed because, well, it's Hopper. Ohh...that's a good guess based on what the show has shown.
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Sep 8, 2023 20:29
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pik_d posted:The Ishy frame skips looked intentional, but the Egwene one looked like a fuckup cailleask posted:I’m trying to figure out how old they intend Moiraine to be because it’s definitely a change from the books where she can’t have been more than 40 (2-3 years training in the tower, 18ish years hunting for the Dragon). Her little sister had to be at least 60-70, so she’s clearly been Aes Sedai a lot longer OR spent a lot longer as a novice/accepted.
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Sep 8, 2023 20:30
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DTurtle posted:Where was there an Egwene frame skip? I think she was having a conversation with Nynaeve, it showed Egwene for a second, cut back to Nynaeve, then back to what appeared to be the same second of Egwene
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Sep 8, 2023 21:07
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I didn't see this Egwene frame skip but I've seen it mentioned elsewhere. Another really cool bit I didn't notice on first watch is in the beginning when Ishy is going to Lanfear's seal and he pauses and looks up, he's standing amongst the ruins of skyscrapers.
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Sep 8, 2023 21:08
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Yeah the Egwene thing isn't a frame skip, it's a repeat of like 0.25 of a second when she's talking to Nynaeve
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Sep 8, 2023 21:10
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I wonder how many of the 1000 notes per episode are "make sure Alanna has dialogue about all the DP deep dicking she gets every night from her two Warders, it's crucial to the story we're trying to tell".
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Sep 8, 2023 21:21
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That scene with Perrin and Hopper was incredible. And the chemistry between Rand and Selene is just perfect. Natural 20 fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Sep 8, 2023 21:30
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ragnarokette posted:Yeah it feels very weird, particularly with how fast she changed her mind during that conversation. Honestly it just feels more like they needed to get her (and Mat) in Falme and worked backwards from there so I am willing to roll with it. In Min's defense though man it would loving suck to see people's futures during a climate induced mass starvation event + actual factual apocalypse. I'd want to ditch that power too. Yeah, it's not terrible and I want to see where i's going, but I'm just not a fan of that particular change. Dr. Clockwork posted:I wonder how many of the 1000 notes per episode are "make sure Alanna has dialogue about all the DP deep dicking she gets every night from her two Warders, it's crucial to the story we're trying to tell". Seriously, the joke about where Lan was going to go was I thought a bit much.
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Sep 8, 2023 21:35
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I wonder how many of the 1000 notes per episode are "make sure Alanna has dialogue about all the DP deep dicking she gets every night from her two Warders, it's crucial to the story we're trying to tell". I think it’s a funny running joke 
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Sep 8, 2023 21:41
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seaborgium posted:Yeah, it's not terrible and I want to see where i's going, but I'm just not a fan of that particular change. I like it. Min in the books was a snarky fun character and all, but now she seems a lot more like a person as opposed to a Main Character's Loyal (girl)Friend trope. Devorum posted:It made me so happy, then I got a little misty-eyed because, well, it's Hopper. 
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Sep 8, 2023 21:42
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Yeah, Min was very underused in the books and I'm glad the show is doing better by her. Way, way, way too much Min-in-a-dress and if that's all gone so much for the better.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:02
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CainFortea posted:I like it. Min in the books was a snarky fun character and all, but now she seems a lot more like a person as opposed to a Main Character's Loyal (girl)Friend trope. Why is that actually a better name than Hopper holy poo poo.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:13
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I like the wolves cause I like wolves and while I get why they're portraying the wolf sending the way they are it does mean that one of the best lines in the whole series gets cut we come.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:16
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nine-gear crow posted:Why is that actually a better name than Hopper holy poo poo. Cause you know hopper's mix tapes are fly.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:16
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Natural 20 posted:That scene with Perrin and Hopper was incredible. The way she said "are you saying you love me?" just hit perfectly, knowing who she is.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:20
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I like the wolves cause I like wolves and while I get why they're portraying the wolf sending the way they are it does mean that one of the best lines in the whole series gets cut i still hope/think they'll talk eventually. i feel like it can be justified in the same way as how weaves have become more visually detailed as the girls progress, just say he's established a bond and learned about his powers or whatev
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Sep 8, 2023 22:33
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eke out posted:i still hope/think they'll talk eventually. i feel like it can be justified in the same way as how weaves have become more visually detailed as the girls progress, just say he's established a bond and learned about his powers or whatev Didn't Elyas even say something along the lines of "you'll understand it better later on" or was it just "they'll talk to you when they're ready"? I'll try to look out for that when I watch it again.
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Sep 8, 2023 22:36
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eke out posted:i still hope/think they'll talk eventually. i feel like it can be justified in the same way as how weaves have become more visually detailed as the girls progress, just say he's established a bond and learned about his powers or whatev Dont make them humans in a different shape, instead lean into their differences. Communicating „we come“ visually is very simple (have wolves running towards Perrin/Rand).
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Sep 8, 2023 22:50
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Devorum posted:The way she said "are you saying you love me?" just hit perfectly, knowing who she is. In another turning of the wheel where Rand does fall head over heels for Lanfear, what happens? Were her plans purely out of spite, like I wanna seduce new Lews and once I have him he will know the pain I felt? Did she genuinely want to rule the world with the dragon reborn if the dark one won? Would she like...break if she felt she was being loved wholeheartedly?
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Sep 8, 2023 23:02
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DTurtle posted:God no. Talking wolves/wolf voice would be a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. If you need more complex concepts transmitted, have Elyas or Perrin voice them - like they did this episode. you're right i don't want them to talk as in having human voices, but subtitles or whatever would work fine. the wolves are all individual people and the viewer should know the words they are communicating to perrin eke out fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Sep 8, 2023 |
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Sep 8, 2023 23:14
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eke out posted:you're right i don't want them to talk as in having human voices, but subtitles or whatever would work fine. the wolves are all individual people and the viewer should know the words they are communicating to perrin
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Sep 8, 2023 23:26
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Fauxshiz posted:In another turning of the wheel where Rand does fall head over heels for Lanfear, what happens? Were her plans purely out of spite, like I wanna seduce new Lews and once I have him he will know the pain I felt? My take on her plan from the books was she didn't really have a plan. She just wanted LTT to admit he was wrong in leaving her. I don't think she even had a plan past that point. If she'd convinced Rand to love her unconditionally and stand by her side, she would have been like the dog who catches the squirrel.
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Sep 8, 2023 23:28
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The wolf visions are already being put into explicit words because Elyas or Perrin immediately say out loud what the wolves are communicating after the visions.
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Sep 8, 2023 23:32
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Fauxshiz posted:In another turning of the wheel where Rand does fall head over heels for Lanfear, what happens? Were her plans purely out of spite, like I wanna seduce new Lews and once I have him he will know the pain I felt? Rand/Lews said that she'd never actually loved him, she just loved the power and prestige that came from being with him. Conversely, her reaction when she finds out he slept with Aviendha revealed fury at having her place usurped rather than any care or consideration for what he was going through. Lanfear at heart is a bully: she wants to be in charge and tell everyone else what to do (she wanted to overthrow the Creator AND the Dark One, after all), and Rand would only ever be near her level because she allowed it and permitted it to happen. Him having any independent agency is anathema to her. So it'd only happen if he becomes a complete simp and doormat for her, which she'd heartily approve of.
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Sep 8, 2023 23:33
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DTurtle posted:How is putting that into explicit words important or interesting? robert jordan made perrin's wolf pals use words to communicate. my preference is that they find some way to continue that on screen because i think literally talking to wolves, and them talking to him, is a rather large part of perrin's characterization and, similarly, i don't think hopper will be the same character if he exclusively communicates via projected images
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Sep 8, 2023 23:39
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Robert Jordan wrote a book that uses words, this is a TV show that can do much more than that. Also the words on the page were just Perrin's interpretation of the images he saw in his head.. I think I'd be ok with a voiceover, but the images are how they actually work, even in the book
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Sep 8, 2023 23:40
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pik_d posted:Robert Jordan wrote a book that uses words, this is a TV show that can do much more than that. Also the words on the page were just Perrin's interpretation of the images he saw in his head. hopper is literally perrin's teacher and they talk all the time, i feel confident about this. you can support getting rid of that because technically hopper isn't saying words but rather perrin understands them as words, but i think it'd be a bad idea for all characters involved and also extremely cumbersome and slow relative to the efficiency of, uh, words
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Each sentence from Hopper is shown as a scene from Planet Earth or it’s many spin-offs. Including narration from Attenborough.
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