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CainsDescendant posted:gently caress man Elaida Avasarala would be a force to reckon with RC Cola posted:Literally her saying that and then. Flashback to him saying something while he was gesturing memorably but now it's in the old tongue. Ez  seaborgium posted:Just have them start talking in the way they usually talk, then Birgitte starts talking a little off and Mat responds the same way, after a few lines have Birgitte say "What language do we speak, Hornsounder?" in the old tongue with subtitles and then Mat responds in the old tongue with subtitles. The new Mat seems like a pretty good actor who could pull it off, and assuming whoever they get for Birgitte is decent it could work really well.
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Pleads posted:That's basically her character on The Expanse isn't it, a power-concentrating monster who is largely wrong all the time but firm in their convictions of fuckin up? I don't know that I'd characterize her entirely that way, especially in later seasons, but that's definitely an element of her character. Her "Earth must come first" mantra definitely maps well onto Elaida's fixation on the royal family of Caemlyn
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I just hope they let her drop F bombs. Should be a long rear end multi-season role too. Doesn’t Elaida last until AMOL? Hexel fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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seaborgium posted:I saw something on Twitter long ago about how to do that scene. In the books the characters themselves are speaking in the kind of formal, odd sounding way that the old tongue works even though it's written in English so if you're paying attention you realize somethings up right away. If anyone else is present, I'd do it by having them speak in English between themselves then have the witness ask what they're talking about. Cut back to Mat saying "What do you mean?" in the Old Tongue with subtitles.
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Sep 10, 2023 00:25
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CainsDescendant posted:I don't know that I'd characterize her entirely that way, especially in later seasons, but that's definitely an element of her character. Her "Earth must come first" mantra definitely maps well onto Elaida's fixation on the royal family of Caemlyn Yeah, while Avasarala is flawed and can be machiavellian, she is far more intelligent than Elaida, and also interested in more of a greater good (even if with limits to its scope) than her own ego and self-aggrandisement. I don't find them very comparable.
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Sep 10, 2023 00:42
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Cadsuane was a massive failure and ignorant bully the whole books. I don't want to see Shoreh dumbassing herself into things. Sorilea is much better for her.
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Hexel posted:I just hope they let her drop F bombs. Until the Seanchan attack the tower (TOM?) so close enough
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Sep 10, 2023 01:32
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Jedit posted:If anyone else is present, I'd do it by having them speak in English between themselves then have the witness ask what they're talking about. Cut back to Mat saying "What do you mean?" in the Old Tongue with subtitles. It's a doable scene, that's for sure. I liked it and it was an entertaining way of showing what's happened to Mat so I'd like to see it.
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Sep 10, 2023 01:42
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seaborgium posted:It's a doable scene, that's for sure. I liked it and it was an entertaining way of showing what's happened to Mat so I'd like to see it. I think you could do it in a single seamless conversation. First transition happens the way the books had it: Birgitte and Mat start speaking stilted English, but English all the same. Then, between sentences, Birgitte switches to Old Tongue (subtitled) and Mat keeps talking to her. The reveal of “Speak we what language” would still be in the Old Tongue, of course.
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Barreft posted:Cadsuane was a massive failure and ignorant bully the whole books. I don't want to see Shoreh dumbassing herself into things. Sorilea is much better for her. If she's Elaida then welp But if anyone can make Elaida sympathetic... well, I don't think even Shoreh can do that but she'll make it amazing television at least
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They've already done more to make Liadrin nuanced and interesting without completely throwing out the bones of the character (a selfish manipulator filled with conniving power hunger because she thinks she'd owed everything she wants) than I thought was possible, so I have no doubt they can do the same with Elaida. To me, the essence of Elaida is that she believes she's a woman of destiny because she was born with that Talent for Foretelling that's on the verge of extinction. Her actual abilities aren't up to the tasks she's given or that she takes upon herself, but both her ability to see the future and the automatic privilege she got for having that ability blind her to that. She's a product of everything wrong with the Aes Sedai's backward-looking culture of privileging raw power, rare ability and the traditions of bygone ages. Those who seek to manipulate her can do so easily by playing into her delusions and those for whom she becomes the chief antagonist can only overcome her by exposing her ineptitude and thus the flaws in the society that granted her power in the first place. Egwene is her great enemy because Egwene is everything she imagines herself to be, and because Egwene is a reformer who wants to tear down every edifice that allowed Elaida to gain power in the first place. I think those are all aspects this show can work with very well.
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Sanguinia posted:They've already done more to make Liadrin nuanced and interesting without completely throwing out the bones of the character (a selfish manipulator filled with conniving power hunger because she thinks she'd owed everything she wants) than I thought was possible, so I have no doubt they can do the same with Elaida. Elaida is very much like Cersei Lannister to me in that she's very much smart and powerful enough to get what she aims for, but not smart enough to get/realize what she actually wants or needs. She's so far up her own rear end about how great she is and how nobody around her realizes her apparent greatness or recognizes it to her satisfaction that she's unaware of her own shortcomings, blind spots, and ways she might be sabotaging herself. Egwene has her own problems with arrogance and inflexible thinking, but she comes at it from a place of self-sacrifice or self-improvement instead of self-aggrandizement so it usually works out better for her than Elaida.
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Sanguinia posted:Egwene is a reformer who wants to tear down every edifice that allowed Elaida to gain power in the first place. Ehhhh, not really. She's a reformer of Elaida sure. But as soon as she brings the tower back together and is firmly planted in the seat, Egwene is all ready to spin up the "Aes Sedai are infallible and everyone needs to just sit down and listen to the adults talking" poo poo that put the whole world where it was after thousands of years of it. Devorum posted:He could absolutely feel her channeling The scene is pretty clear that he can't. There are actual visual things happening that he's responding to. We, as the audience, don't see the weaves and he's clearly the PoV character in that scene given the camera angles and such.
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CainFortea posted:Ehhhh, not really. She's a reformer of Elaida sure. But as soon as she brings the tower back together and is firmly planted in the seat, Egwene is all ready to spin up the "Aes Sedai are infallible and everyone needs to just sit down and listen to the adults talking" poo poo that put the whole world where it was after thousands of years of it. I said feel, not see. He didn't know that's what he felt, but I thought it was very clear that's what he's responding to and the visual bits were for our benefit so the audience doesn't think he's just being weird.
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Rand believes Moiraine because he instinctively understands he is batting way out of his league with Selene and SOMETHING nefarious is going on. Like seriously she’s a 10 and a successful businessperson hooking up with some rando sheepherder she barely met last week and maybe he burned her house down. Also he has a part-time job AT BEST I like the theory that this version of Rand is actually very clever. He was stalking Logain the entire time, and he secretly knew Selene was Lanfear but was enjoying the wild hook-up while it lasted. VanillaGorilla fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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Sep 10, 2023 13:43
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pik_d posted:Rafe is not "switching to" God of War, he is also the showrunner for God of War. Oh man. What is the logic there.
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Barreft posted:Cadsuane was a massive failure and ignorant bully the whole books. I don't want to see Shoreh dumbassing herself into things. Sorilea is much better for her. Still haven't read the Sanderson books but Cadsuane is responsible for defeating the Forsaken at the cleansing of the Source. Rand didn't have time for that poo poo. Also her posse saved Rand after he went overboard on hubris and got stabbed by Fain for it. Also treated Aiel and Verin as equals while having a pretty worthwhile goal, keeping Rand sane and on the side of the Light.
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Shageletic posted:Oh man. What is the logic there. Rafe makes money and studios refuse to give show running rights to anyone perceived as a risk, as I learned from the WheelTakes podcast episode where they discuss the SAG and writers strike. Same reason the only movies that come out are lovely superhero movies and reruns of 90s IPs. BigHead fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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Shageletic posted:Still haven't read the Sanderson books but Cadsuane is responsible for defeating the Forsaken at the cleansing of the Source. Rand didn't have time for that poo poo. Also her posse saved Rand after he went overboard on hubris and got stabbed by Fain for it. Also treated Aiel and Verin as equals while having a pretty worthwhile goal, keeping Rand sane and on the side of the Light. If you haven't actually finished the series, uhhh, you should PROBABLY do that before defending ole cadsuane's honor lmao
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I know she hosed up the Tam encounter but it all ended well there anyways I'll take your advice and remove myself from all Cadsuane discussion, thank you
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More importantly finish the loving books holy poo poo
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Also if Rand thought about it for even a millisecond why else would there randomly be a Fade he has to channel to kill after presumably not seeing one for months? Like what are the odds there’d be a convenient one that just HAPPENED to find him when he also believed up until then that he’d killed the dark one?
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Gwaihir posted:More importantly finish the loving books holy poo poo I'm working on it! Got New Spring to read after Knife of Dreams. I was working abroad by the time Sanderson started writing the books so outside of I think MoL (wherever the Tam/Rand showdown happened) I don't know what has happened other than what I picked up here and there. Plz keep posting about the books and how it ends without spoiler bars, I've developed near superhuman abilities to roll by them in the thread. This feels vaguely hubristic/Rand like lol.
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Gwaihir posted:More importantly finish the loving books holy poo poo speaking of, how long does it take one normally to read through this series?
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Pretty sure I started my reread/first time read in June. And I'm on the 11th book now. E: and that's with the crazy focus/hours at end I'm reading this series that I don't have the ability or patience for anything else
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Bilirubin posted:speaking of, how long does it take one normally to read through this series?
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If he wasn’t Jesus resurrected, the Tam fight probably would have turned him to the dark side.
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Bilirubin posted:speaking of, how long does it take one normally to read through this series? I read the series for the first time in its entirety between new years and mid August. Granted, picking up my kindle became my default pre-sleep, passenger, and downtime action. I think a year of casual effort would be more typical. If you’re dedicated you could probably do it in 6 months
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I've got through TPOD to halfway through KOD in 3 months so about a year sounds right though that's me reading slow for the most part cause of The Slog. Sidebar: My main memory of KOD is Egwene being MVP and yeah she definitely gets way better as character once she's back in the Tower but man she is barely in this book
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Hexel posted:I can see it Fuuuuuuuuuuck, that's a drat scary Elaida.
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VanillaGorilla posted:Rand believes Moiraine because he instinctively understands he is batting way out of his league with Selene and SOMETHING nefarious is going on. I like your theory, but it's spoiled because Rand is a 10 too. He's a tall mysterious super hot redhead hunk. He has a job where he helps people, and him being part time means he has more time for her.
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Bilirubin posted:speaking of, how long does it take one normally to read through this series? I started my reread just before the show premiered, read one chapter a day, and finished this month. So a little under two years if you take it slow like that.
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You’ll have time to catch up, next season will probably take 2 years min to drop.
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Invalid Validation posted:You’ll have time to catch up, next season will probably take 2 years min to drop. I heard they're going to extend it to 4 years between seasons.
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Not a Children posted:I read the series for the first time in its entirety between new years and mid August. Granted, picking up my kindle became my default pre-sleep, passenger, and downtime action. I think a year of casual effort would be more typical. If you’re dedicated you could probably do it in 6 months It took me 5 months on my first read. I was dedicating both train-commute directions and a bunch of interim hours to it daily because I wanted to cram it as fast as possible while absorbing as much as possible so I could get maximum context quickly. I'm partway through the reread and I can barely make it a chapter or two a week. It takes real effort and a big part of that is remembering where I was last
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:I like your theory, but it's spoiled because Rand is a 10 too. He's a tall mysterious super hot redhead hunk. He has a job where he helps people, and him being part time means he has more time for her. 'Fated to go mad from channelling saidin' knocks off at least 2 points
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Devorum posted:I said feel, not see. He didn't know that's what he felt, but I thought it was very clear that's what he's responding to and the visual bits were for our benefit so the audience doesn't think he's just being weird. He literally, on screen, looks at the shimery weirdness. Then freaks out.
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