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Seconding Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. I've also had good luck with Botanical Interests, though orders have taken a little longer to get shipped than in the past while they work out the kinks. That's where I got my tasty and still-not-bolted Everleaf Emerald Towers Basil. Seed Geeks has been good for herbs too. I like to go for sellers with a roughly similar climate.
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Do any of these online seed sellers stock gmo seeds? Heirlooms are awesome, and I'm not talking about Monsanto poo poo, but I'd like to support some honest - better veggies through modern genetic manipulation - that most places I've seen are way against.
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Sep 12, 2023 01:16
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I would have said Park Seeds or Burpee, but apparently they've gone to Hell. (based on Dave's Garden reviews, a lot of which are for plants, but a lot of which are for seeds.)
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Spikes32 posted:Do any of these online seed sellers stock gmo seeds? Heirlooms are awesome, and I'm not talking about Monsanto poo poo, but I'd like to support some honest - better veggies through modern genetic manipulation - that most places I've seen are way against. I think you'll have to look at commercial agriculture suppliers for GMO stuff. The home gardener market is so set against it they aren't really available.
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effika posted:I think you'll have to look at commercial agriculture suppliers for GMO stuff. The home gardener market is so set against it they aren't really available. Gem corn is so pretty, I wish I had the space to waste on a stalk or so.
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Sep 12, 2023 03:50
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I grew ten stalks of Oaxacan green corn for a three sisters bed last year and hand pollinated. I got cobs on every single stalk and good formation but the squirrels destroyed all of it. If you treat them individually you can still get some from a tiny planting
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Sep 12, 2023 10:21
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A fun corn that fits into a planter or other small space is Tom Thumb Popcorn After it’s dry you can put a whole cob into the microwave for popping. It grows fast, only 90 days, so if you time it right you can save your own seed without worry about cross pollination from your neighbors.
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Zone 6a So, I have a bunch of asparagus crowns, but won't have a bed to put them in until spring. What is the best way to store them til spring? Everywhere I look its different - in a bucket with sawdust in the basement - they would dry out? But there are other plants who can have dry roots during a dormant period. - wrapped in wet paper towel in the fridge - mold? This seems reasonable for a shorter period of time. Plus it would take up a lot of space. - in the freezer - freezer burn maybe? And take up a lot of space. They only cost me sweat equity so its not the end of the world if they don't make it, but... Thoughts?
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Sep 12, 2023 15:38
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Anyone know wtf is up with they San Marzanos? Plant looked good all year, then suddenly all the matoes started looking disgusting.
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Sep 14, 2023 07:05
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Looks like the start of blossom end rot. Theoretically from a lack of calcium but in practice usually caused by under- or uneven watering
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Sep 14, 2023 10:26
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effika posted:Seconding Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. Thirding Southern Exposure. They also have the most spectacular seed catalogs every year.  I still use burpee to get sun gold seeds, but everything else I tend to go to Southern Exposure.
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The weather service thinks we are FINALLY through with the 100°F temperatures!! I have planted my beets (Early Wonder, Touchstone Gold) and carrots (Danvers 126). I have about 7 weeks before the average first frost date, but since these are all in 5-gallon buckets I can bring them indoors overnight to avoid those and extend my growing season a bit. The carrots went into basil bucket soil and I expect I will get stumpy carrots out of it, though I did try to break up the roots. The beets I am less worried about-- the dill buckets left their soil very nicely textured. Even so, I'm hoping for lots of greens, and if I get good roots it'll be a bonus.
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Spikes32 posted:Do any of these online seed sellers stock gmo seeds? Heirlooms are awesome, and I'm not talking about Monsanto poo poo, but I'd like to support some honest - better veggies through modern genetic manipulation - that most places I've seen are way against. So it's been a good few years since I looked into this, but last I checked the only GMOs available were the Monsanto and co field crops. Other than golden rice, I'm not really aware of many that are academically-produced, and I don't think there are any vegetables. The sense I got is that it's genuinely difficult (and expensive) to create transgenic crops. Eg even the huge seed companies hadn't managed a transgenic wheat. For most traits you'd be interested in for your home garden, conventional breeding is just far more versatile.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:So it's been a good few years since I looked into this, but last I checked the only GMOs available were the Monsanto and co field crops. Other than golden rice, I'm not really aware of many that are academically-produced, and I don't think there are any vegetables. Thanks I appreciate this, saving me more online searching
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Depending on what you mean by "better", for things like disease resistance modern hybrids are often the best bet, but they're not necessarily bred for the best flavor. Places like Wild Boar Farms breed some really interesting tomato varieties, both in terms of looks and flavor. Those places don't always plainly state whether they're open pollinated or not, so if you want to save seeds you may have to dig for info. Personally I prefer open pollinated and heirloom varieties at least for things where seed saving is easy... tomatoes, peppers, beans, etc. For stuff like corn where you have to take drastic measures to avoid cross pollination, I'll buy whatever, usually a hybrid. Squash, cucumbers, onions, I'll buy OP or heirloom and then 90% of the time I'm too lazy to put the effort into saving pure seed so I have to buy more later anyway. My philosophy on tomatoes is save seeds from OP varieties, then save seeds even harder if you get a really healthy volunteer plant, especially if you can identify the variety. The way I figure, if they do well with no effort, they have the genetics I want.
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There's a garden where my job rents plots for people that want to plant stuff. Out of the 10 or so I'm the only person that used one. I think next year I'm going to get greedy and use the plots my coworkers neglect. Anyway, all that to say that I harvested my first produce this afternoon! I thought these were lemon cucumbers this whole time until today, lmao. I initially threw down melon seeds, but they didn't germinate, so I put down lemon cucumber seeds (which I thought actually germinated). Instead, they're incredibly fragrant kajari melons! I left them on the counter, left the house, and got back to it reeking of musky melon. What's left in the garden plot are a Sweet Meat squash I somehow hosed up, and a golden midget watermelon vine with ripening fruit. Here you can peep the ripest golden midget. 
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That Old Ganon posted:Gardening Thread: reeking of musky melon
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Lead out in cuffs posted:So it's been a good few years since I looked into this, but last I checked the only GMOs available were the Monsanto and co field crops. Other than golden rice, I'm not really aware of many that are academically-produced, and I don't think there are any vegetables.
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Well, hold the phone on that, apparently transgenic purple tomato seeds are likely to be available soon: https://www.norfolkhealthyproduce.com/products And if anyone really wants to do a deep dive into this, here is a review paper that is recent and seems comprehensive at a cursory glance: https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/15/2/1722 (Bearing in mind that I am super not an expert in molecular biology in plants.)
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Lead out in cuffs posted:And if anyone really wants to do a deep dive into this, here is a review paper that is recent and seems comprehensive at a cursory glance: https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/15/2/1722 I picked a random citation and they don't seem to be representing the papers they cite well. The review posted:Most GM products contain marker genes and genes for certain useful traits. These marker genes can build resistance to particular antibiotics, and constant consumption of these foods could result in antibiotic resistance in the human body [182]. the cited paper posted:GENERAL CONCLUSIONS
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JoshGuitar posted:Depending on what you mean by "better", for things like disease resistance modern hybrids are often the best bet, but they're not necessarily bred for the best flavor. Places like Wild Boar Farms breed some really interesting tomato varieties, both in terms of looks and flavor. Those places don't always plainly state whether they're open pollinated or not, so if you want to save seeds you may have to dig for info. If you really want to get crazy, you can graft whatever delicious but weak heirloom tomato you prefer onto some really bulletproof rootstock. I went down that rabbithole (but never actually got around to grafting anything) a few years ago, as it seems to be the only thing you can really do about soil-borne bacterial wilt.
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Doesn't bacterial wilt just get splashed up from watering onto the leaves anyways?
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Well, boo. My former gardener just stopped showing up some time in July, after digging half the yard down to clay. I asked him to come back and put dirt in the one bed that was complete (because it was already part of the deck, not because of anything he did) and he did. That was the last I saw of him. This summer, I decided that some garden was better than a garden entirely in pots. I put in some of the very basics: radishes, chervil, coriander, peas both snow and English, one tomato in an insulating cover. Down the center of the non-vegetable part I put violas. This was probably in July, maybe as late as August. Yesterday night something, probably a deer judging by reach, ate the pea vines halfway down to the ground. Last night it came back, finished off the pea vines, ate all the sweet peas, browsed the violas down to the ground, and went on about its business. It was definitely there for the greenery: the bits of vine it didn't eat still had pea pods on it, which I hastily grabbed and brought inside. Earlier this summer something had reached into the top of the insulated container of the tomato and eaten what it could reach; I had been assuming raccoon, but again whatever it was focused on eating the leaves. So. Confirmation that I need a deer fence all around (which I knew, and has always been part of the garden plan), proof that I can raise vegetables by my ownself, kind of a bummer. Here's hoping my new gardener, vouched for by a neighbor, can bring in fresh soil, put in two retaining walls, and fence all around, at least by spring.
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That Old Ganon posted:Here you can peep the ripest golden midget.  I came across this guy when it was ready to be picked, but left it on the vine because I thought the spots needed to go away before it was fully ripe. It's really funny to me that both the plants bear fruit that looks similar enough to another's at one stage or another. These plants were actually the seeds I sowed the first time in the garden plot. I thought they didn't germinate and coincidentally replaced them with stuff that looks similar to them.
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Tunicate posted:I picked a random citation and they don't seem to be representing the papers they cite well. Oh yeah lol that sounds like complete bullshit. Still probably not the worst way to find other papers in the field, but caveat emptor.
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What's the best way to deal with a groundhog that doesn't involve projectiles? The chonky jerk is popping up out of the storm drain to chomp my strawberry beds.
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There is no way. I’ve been battling one for years. It drives me nuts, but it’s also so drat cute…
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Get yourself a live trap and then congrats now you have an angry animal in a small cage, makes a great conversation-starter centerpiece.
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From what I’ve read, relocating them is essentially a death sentence. They won’t know where to hide from predators.
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Bloody Cat Farm posted:From what I’ve read, relocating them is essentially a death sentence. They won’t know where to hide from predators. Also, for certain critters and certain locales, straight up illegal. Still, catching the thing means you can safely dispatch it if needed without having to sit out in your yard with a gun. If you go this route, please be kind in what method you choose. Oh, another alternative, get yourself some electric fence kit? That keeps everything from deer to raccoons to bunnies out of our garden. A little 2-mile would do fine. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/american-farmworks-ac-powered-2-mile-charger, that and some polywire https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/zareba-polywire-200-meter-6-conductors You can get various standoffs for stringing the wire along whatever you have, be it an existing fence, t posts, or just stakes in the ground. You can get the wire real low down to the ground, just as long as there isn't vegetation and such grounding it out. For ours, I have a solid fence made of treated deck boards that runs a couple courses, so like 12" tall. Then I ran the electric wire above that. Anything looking to cross will tend to stand up and peek over first, get the jolt, and depart. And with the solid fence down at the actual ground, I can weed whack/mow right up against it without worrying about the wiring. I also have to say: do NOT DIY a fence by running 120V from the wall. That's loving dangerous, it's how you kill animals and/or yourself. These fence chargers just send a very brief jolt of a few thousand volts down the fence line once a second, so it's pretty safe and effective. Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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Shifty Pony posted:What's the best way to deal with a groundhog that doesn't involve projectiles? Conibear trap.
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Soul Dentist posted:Conibear trap. Assuming you're not worried about collateral damage. If there's a cat or toddler nearby (that you want to keep, in either case), no bueno.
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Looks like I might just put grates over the entrances to the storm drain it uses to get to my yard. It is cute but goddamn does it eat a lot.
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 (record scratch) Found that while trying to remember the name of a plant. It has drooping blue flowers, silvery foliage, maybe has "honey" somewhere in the name, self-seeds like mad. Anybody got thoughts? e: Found it! The lovely Cerinthe major purpurascens, aka "Blue Honeywort". I highly recommend it; it's tough, blooms a lot of the summer, and self-seeds without being annoying. 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:
Oh, that's very pretty! My beets have sprouted! It's pretty cool to see that the Touchstone Gold beets don't have any red to their sprouts. The dill sprouts are accidental and will be consumed once the first full leaves are in. (Dill really is a prolific self-seeder!) Touchstone Gold:  Early Wonder: 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:
Is that top pic even a clematis? Looks like columbine to me. I've got some kind of cerinthe that I grew from seed this year, it's really spread out and the bees like it. Would recommend.
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Slanderer posted:Are you using plans you found, or doing your own thing? The greenhouse was purchased. Been the plan for years that I would design and build a greenhouse (from wood) but it appears I keep finding and doing other projects instead of what my SO wants. So she finally got tired and bought a greenhouse, then demanded I help her build it. The plans that came with were terrible. I did the foundation though, since originally it was meant to just be stuck into the grass directly. Finally done! Took a long time, but we've both had little spare time when we could both be working on it and you really needed to be two people.  Still have to make some steps so it's easier to get in and out. Then fill in the inside with some more gravel. One of the side windows were broken into a million pieces when we opened the box, we'll get a replacement but have to wait for it. In the meantime we put in a cheao plastic window. We got one grapevine waiting at my parents that we'll plant this autumn yet.
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sexy tiger boobs posted:Is that top pic even a clematis? Looks like columbine to me.
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