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Jonny 290 posted:if you call your company a 'shop' you probably want daily standups. If you're an actual company, they're not necessary. incredibly mid take imo
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The Fool posted:incredibly mid take imo you call it a shop dont you lol
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Sep 12, 2023 05:23
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rotor posted:I think just assuming sprints happen isnt really that weird. Certainly every job I've had since ... what? 2005? has done some version of them. it's weirder than just asking someone if we do them? the entire company is fewer than 30 people. same thing for the standups - i don't categorically dislike them, and i've found them valuable in the past. but why not do some cursory fieldwork to explore why they're not happening already? am i totally nuts here?
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Sep 12, 2023 05:24
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post hole digger posted:a daily 5pm check-in is insane though it's 2pm for her time zone!
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Sep 12, 2023 05:24
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my point is that there are a bunch of companies out there that are more than large enough to house multiple "shops" in addition to multiple teams that wouldn't benefit at all from agile rituals
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Sep 12, 2023 05:26
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raminasi posted:the entire company is fewer than 30 people. the team i'm on supports the equivalent of about 10 teams the size of this entire company
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Sep 12, 2023 05:28
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some peoples ideas of "real companies" have no bearing on reality
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Sep 12, 2023 05:29
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raminasi posted:it's weirder than just asking someone if we do them? the entire company is fewer than 30 people. same thing for the standups - i don't categorically dislike them, and i've found them valuable in the past. but why not do some cursory fieldwork to explore why they're not happening already? am i totally nuts here? even if you did already have them, unilaterally moving them without consulting the team would still be a dick move
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Sep 12, 2023 06:08
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I don’t care what anyone else is working on so stand ups feel like a waste of time, but I make the best of it by browsing the pos until I hear my name 
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Sep 12, 2023 06:23
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raminasi posted:it's weirder than just asking someone if we do them? the entire company is fewer than 30 people. same thing for the standups - i don't categorically dislike them, and i've found them valuable in the past. but why not do some cursory fieldwork to explore why they're not happening already? am i totally nuts here? im just sayin a non-engineer assuming engineering at the company they just started at does sprints is not an unreasonable assumption
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Sep 12, 2023 06:25
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Jonny 290 posted:if you call your company a 'shop' you probably want daily standups. If you're an actual company, they're not necessary. i'd say that the larger the company is, the more it needs daily standups
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Sep 12, 2023 06:27
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our vpe used to insist that standups are to help the team understand what's going on, and definitely aren't actually a daily status report primarily for his consumption. same motherfucker would also cancel standups when he's on vacation or couldn't attend, instead asking that we do them async via chat (where he would put a thumbs up reaction to indicate he saw it) we finally ditched that in favor of purely async chat based standups. the latest wtf is that we now have two weekly planning meetings. last thing every friday we have a two hour planning meeting to review what was completed, then plan/assign tasks for the following week. we then follow that up with a meeting first thing monday morning where we plan/assign tasks for the rest of the week...
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Sep 12, 2023 07:58
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the idea of syncing with the people you work with on a regular basis is normal and how humans make anything that's not just a countable factory line the fact that it turned into a whole industry of program managers/scrum masters/delivery leads who are somehow even less useful than product managers is the real sickness recently they forced us to move all our "ceremonies" to a single day so we just have a day with 6 hours of meetings but of course sometimes that's not enough and we need additional "refinements" because it often takes more time to point a ticket than to actually do the ticket
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Sep 12, 2023 09:21
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MeruFM posted:recently they forced us to move all our "ceremonies" to a single day so we just have a day with 6 hours of meetings bro i think you’re in a cult
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Sep 12, 2023 09:33
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the cult of kpi and okr I recently removed myself from the lead eng position and now I'm just a scrub IC but it's pretty nice to finish the expected amount of weekly work and just say "working on [already done work]" for the next 6 workdays
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Sep 12, 2023 09:40
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"our product decisions are totally disorganised and our 30 person company is like herding cats" "no I absolutely will not join a meeting about what we are working on"  I get the dislike of a 5pm daily though, god knows I've done enough "the daily lasted 30 mins+" but that was for a tiny team that needed huge direction so it wasn't a standup it was actually the daily design/clarification call and was named as such anyway I will put money that what has been put in as a standup is actually a larger status and planning check but is being called that because that way you are ~~agile~~. ditto for calling every general work/release cycle a sprint. e: also just suggest a different meeting time???
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Sep 12, 2023 11:24
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:"our product decisions are totally disorganised and our 30 person company is like herding cats" what op possibly hoped for: product guidance and leadership to give a more unified direction to take the product in. what op feels they got: project management to be more organized in the direction-less product efforts
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Sep 12, 2023 11:43
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ed zitron wrote an article for business insider in which he recommends firing CEOs and replacing them with chatGPT. the CEOs on linkedin have some thoughts  
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Sep 12, 2023 12:17
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A 5pm catch up meeting is dumb because one of the main benefits of it is being able to spot when someone is struggling with something and help them out after the meeting. People forget poo poo day to day and I'd rather you forgot some of the stuff you worked on yesterday than forget to help the junior dev who is clearly falling down a rabbit hole.
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Sep 12, 2023 12:34
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checking in daily just to say what youre up to or whatever seems completely reasonable to me especially to say “dont bother me besides this thanks” it should not take more than 15 minutes though, and it can be done in chats rather than all hands meetings that cant possibly fit in 15 minutes i think distaste for it comes from the latter
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Sep 12, 2023 13:14
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and usually teams… act as teams? like ive had checkins where someone started writing something that existed but didnt know until a teammate chimed in
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Sep 12, 2023 13:22
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Share Bear posted:checking in daily just to say what youre up to or whatever seems completely reasonable to me especially to say “dont bother me besides this thanks”
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Sep 12, 2023 13:45
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remember the whole reason it's called a "standup" is that everyone's supposed to be standing up during it, so that everyone's motivated to get it over with quickly so they can go back to sitting down
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Sep 12, 2023 13:47
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armpit_enjoyer posted:ed zitron wrote an article for business insider in which he recommends firing CEOs and replacing them with chatGPT. the CEOs on linkedin have some thoughts the penetration tester asking chatgtp for life and career advice has definitely jacked off to being penetrated by chatgtp
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Sep 12, 2023 13:53
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it's funny the number of people that worship at least the idea of the ceo, if not also specific ceos go join a cult or something, you loving weirdos
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Sep 12, 2023 14:00
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i love the clear confusion between "i ask it things and it specifically refuses to decide for me because it has been programmed to behave that way" and "it is literally incapable of making decisions" too
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Sep 12, 2023 14:02
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this falls squarely into "has no idea what GPT actually is or how it works" e: to be clear, i'm not saying we shouldn't just put an electronic i ching in charge of say, meta, and see what happens. i think the results would be more interesting and creatively valid than the vast majority GPT output infernal machines fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Sep 12, 2023 14:08
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It's reminiscent of people rejecting materialism or insisting that consciousness due to magical quantum stuff or something, except just for ceos, so I guess the the world is divided into "CEOs" and "NPCs"?
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Sep 12, 2023 14:13
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npcs are just temporarily embarrassed ceos
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Sep 12, 2023 14:19
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minor point, but i find it very amusing that all of the interminable self-assigned titles of these dipshits are ellipsized, as if the website itself is exasperatedly telling them to shut up
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Sep 12, 2023 14:26
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yinz are missing that product managers absolutely should not be checking in with teams on a day to day basis. that implies they're making implementation decisions which they VERY much should not be doing
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Sep 12, 2023 14:40
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MononcQc posted:another potential interpretation: it’s this, thank you the reason we don’t do standups is that me and j random engineer are typically not working on anything related. this is the thing i don’t like, but making me and j random engineer tell each other daily about the unrelated things we’re doing is not an improvement. and maybe it’s part of a bigger solution? well, i believe very strongly that you can’t fix a process without understanding it, and i’ve seen no evidence that she’s tried to do that.
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Sep 12, 2023 14:46
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PIZZA.BAT posted:yinz are missing that product managers absolutely should not be checking in with teams on a day to day basis. that implies they're making implementation decisions which they VERY much should not be doing i actually don’t mind them in a well-run standup, because in a well-run standup the only response you ever hear to anything is “oh, i can help you with that” and there are things pms are very helpful for
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Sep 12, 2023 14:48
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raminasi posted:it’s this, thank you good faith q: why are you on the same team functionally
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hey fart simpson i got a question for ya: i've been thinking about how new categories of consumer electronics start out very inventive and experimental but then just kinda settling in to all being slight variations on one standard market-leading thing and becoming kinda boring, like for example smartphones before the iphone all being weird and different vs. a few years after it came out all kinda standardizing into "glass rectangle". have you ever seen that happen like, from the inside? is it a slow process or does the boss just come in one day and go "okay everyone stop all the R&D and design efforts, this other company's thing is selling real big and we're just gonna rip it off now, also half of you are redundant and fired"?
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Sep 12, 2023 14:57
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Jabor posted:remember the whole reason it's called a "standup" is that everyone's supposed to be standing up during it, so that everyone's motivated to get it over with quickly so they can go back to sitting down I do love the casual ablism of this idea and how it feeds into a the classic SV startup culture of just hiring fit young dudes. The severity of the motivation to sit down again varies widely, as does the distraction of trying to keep the work in mind while also continuing to stand-- and that's for the people who can manage to do it for the alloted period at all. Physically standing together is not a job requirement for these roles unless artificially made so, and that's exclusionary.
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Sep 12, 2023 15:11
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MeruFM posted:the cult of kpi and okr
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Share Bear posted:good faith q: why are you on the same team functionally we just all work on the same part of the product's tech stack and therefore report to the same manager. we're not really a "team" in any other sense.
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post hole digger posted:npcs are just temporarily embarrassed ceos I was a CEO once, until they gave my job to chatgpt
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Shame Boy posted:hey fart simpson i got a question for ya: i've been thinking about how new categories of consumer electronics start out very inventive and experimental but then just kinda settling in to all being slight variations on one standard market-leading thing and becoming kinda boring, like for example smartphones before the iphone all being weird and different vs. a few years after it came out all kinda standardizing into "glass rectangle". have you ever seen that happen like, from the inside? is it a slow process or does the boss just come in one day and go "okay everyone stop all the R&D and design efforts, this other company's thing is selling real big and we're just gonna rip it off now, also half of you are redundant and fired"? what sells must be good so lets make something like that
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