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Gwaihir posted:Sanderson didn't obviously get the voice just right, and wrote a good series of blog posts about what he got wrong with mat especially, but I think he also gets tarred with a lot of "but the vibes" things based on our collectively aging and faulty memories. I'm going into these books right after a reread of Jordan's books so the memory is still quite clear. But so far I'm really enjoying TGS and trying to not finish it too quickly.
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nine-gear crow posted:That is how you can tell that Harriet loved her husband with all her heart. This is so funny Hieronymous Alloy posted:Sanderson is, for all his sins, ultimately Series Step-dad. Which isn't always fair to him but it is what it is. It could have been alot worse!
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Oct 13, 2023 15:06
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Sanderson’s writing was better in some ways, worse than others, but I can’t imagine any author better to take over from Jordan.
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Oct 13, 2023 15:38
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El Grillo posted:Weird to hear that Sanderson was negative. He was very positive about season 1 despite its flaws. I wonder what prompted the change of heart. Sounds like they are still involving him in the production process in the same way they were in season 1? If anyone's interested he hopped on Reddit and dropped a bunch of posts on it that were more measured: https://www.reddit.com/user/mistborn brando sando posted:Rafe has always told me I can say what I feel I need to, and it's one of the things I most appreciate about this all. I'm surprised people would even have those rumors, after I did multiple podcast episodes talking very bluntly about season one. Nobody involved ever asked me to be quiet. For extra context, this is literally the first time he's watching any of season 2, and he was asked specifically to make these kinds of comparisons during their watch. He also told the Dusty Wheel dude in advance that they should probably not do the stunt where they watched the episode for the first time with him, because it would not be the best experience. I think this was ultimately just a bit ill-conceived as an event. It would have been better if it'd been a "Brandon Sanderson behind the scenes commentary" rather than a "first watch with Brandon Sanderson".
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Oasx posted:Sanderson’s writing was better in some ways, worse than others, but I can’t imagine any author better to take over from Jordan. That would have meant two huge epic fantasy series never finished instead of one.
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Oct 13, 2023 16:09
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DTurtle posted:George R.R. Martin was also in the running for finishing the series. Could've been Kevin J. Anderson.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Could've been Kevin J. Anderson. *hissssssss*
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one man was perfect for the job…a man who could really understand how to write in a 90s-era fantasy setting like the wheel of time- you guessed it: Piers Anthony
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buffalo all day posted:one man was perfect for the job…a man who could really understand how to write in a 90s-era fantasy setting like the wheel of time- you guessed it: Piers Anthony Well, he'd get the spanking part down pat.
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Raymond E. Feist would make Androl even more OP.
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DTurtle posted:George R.R. Martin was also in the running for finishing the series. That's the funniest GRRM joke I've heard in a decade, well done 
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I haven't read any of his other work. Is Brandon Sanderson really known as "the magic system guy"? Lmao what.
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Oct 13, 2023 17:15
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He's known as the "hey I took a break for 3 months during covid and I wrote 12 enormous books, and also 24 even more enormous books" guy
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the man whose picture appears next to the definition of “extruded fantasy product” in the dictionary
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I haven't read any of his other work. Is Brandon Sanderson really known as "the magic system guy"? Lmao what. Pretty much, magic in his series all have very clear and strict rules.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I haven't read any of his other work. Is Brandon Sanderson really known as "the magic system guy"? Lmao what. Data Graham posted:He's known as the "hey I took a break for 3 months during covid and I wrote 12 enormous books, and also 24 even more enormous books" guy He is both of those guys. He is Mister "I wrote a 5,000 page book in the time it took you to take a poo poo this morning just explaining how the magic system works. Please look forward to volumes 2 through 37 over the next couple of weeks, now if you'll excuse me I have to go record 10 different episodes of the 3 different podcasts I host before lunch". Dude works his rear end off and is extremely online, and as a result kinda has zero to no people skills, as evidenced by how he just took over the stream last night and ruined it for Matt and Daniel.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I haven't read any of his other work. Is Brandon Sanderson really known as "the magic system guy"? Lmao what. The only non-WoT Sanderson I've read has been Mistborn, and it's very much a setting where magic has complicated but very strict rules that even the characters are figuring out as they go along, and the way they interact with each other and how things turn out in weird edge cases are a big part of the story. It's magic as fantasy physics and engineering rather than spirituality and symbolism. Which is as valid as any other treatment of magic, but it really predisposes him to "no, that won't work, it breaks that known rule." And it worked pretty well for him taking over WoT since its own magic rules were pretty well-established, though that's also why his WoT books lean hard into some of the technicalities and elaborate rules-twisting like the "thinking with portals" stuff that felt like a departure from Jordan's level of the same.
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Killer robot posted:The only non-WoT Sanderson I've read has been Mistborn, and it's very much a setting where magic has complicated but very strict rules that even the characters are figuring out as they go along, and the way they interact with each other and how things turn out in weird edge cases are a big part of the story. It's magic as fantasy physics and engineering rather than spirituality and symbolism. Which is as valid as any other treatment of magic, but it really predisposes him to "no, that won't work, it breaks that known rule." And it worked pretty well for him taking over WoT since its own magic rules were pretty well-established, though that's also why his WoT books lean hard into some of the technicalities and elaborate rules-twisting like the "thinking with portals" stuff that felt like a departure from Jordan's level of the same. I was entertained by Brandon "Thinking With Portals" Sanderson being so upset that Mat tied a dagger to a stick.
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CainFortea posted:I was entertained by Brandon "Thinking With Portals" Sanderson being so upset that Mat tied a dagger to a stick. Yeah, that was definitely a "lol settle down" moment. E: Again though I feel the need to reiterate, I LIKE Brandon Sanderson, I think he's a generally cool guy and I enjoy his writing and listening to his thoughts on writing and the creative process in general, but he really did come across like a loving rear end in a top hat on that stream and it was just embarrassing to see him like that. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Oct 13, 2023 |
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I'm fine with Sanderson having Opinions. It's good actually. Not watching all that tho
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I can't believe Sanderson had the audacity to share his opinions on the livestream about Brandon Sanderson sharing his opinions.
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arteliad posted:I can't believe Sanderson had the audacity to share his opinions on the livestream about Brandon Sanderson sharing his opinions. Just gonna keep whacking at that strawman huh?
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He's been posting about it on Reddit, he didn't want to do it this way, but apparently Matt talked him into it. https://twitter.com/MacabreMacaw/status/1712866377738977357
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It would be nice for once when someone with some notoriety gives a milquetoast criticism of a tv show the fans wouldn’t have a meltdown.
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pik_d posted:He's been posting about it on Reddit, he didn't want to do it this way, but apparently Matt talked him into it. All good reasoning and a very self-aware thing to say about the whole thing. "This was probably a bad format to do this in, but I stand by what I said and have very valid reasons for thinking and feeling like that, but I totally acknowledge that I was kind of a dick without meaning to be." Again, Sando's good people, I like him and we've all had moments like that where we get out over our skiis without meaning to. It's very easy to put yourself in his shoes and think about the way you'd react to seeing the same thing being one of the guys who helped originally create it and now there's this whole other incarnation of it that you just feel in your gut is wrong personally, despite other people going "this is awesome!" It must be hard as hell sometimes.
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buffalo all day posted:one man was perfect for the job…a man who could really understand how to write in a 90s-era fantasy setting like the wheel of time- you guessed it: Piers Anthony Welcome to a Wheel of Time! *spanking*
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I'm Johnny Knoxville and Welcome to WOT!
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Nihilarian posted:I'm fine with Sanderson having Opinions. It's good actually. Not watching all that tho Writers having opinions unaffected by publicity or monetary concerns sounds very cool to me. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Oct 13, 2023 |
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i mostly don't give a poo poo what sanderson says about anything, wheel of time or otherwise, given that he actively tithes a lot of money to the mormon church
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Johnny Joestar posted:i mostly don't give a poo poo what sanderson says about anything, wheel of time or otherwise, given that he actively tithes a lot of money to the mormon church Let they among us who have given no money to an awful cause post. I think sanderson’s point that it’s a cool idea that makes future problems is in line with a lot of people’s thoughts, so I won’t beat the horse further. They can absolutely write their way out, Hamilton style, but they shouldn’t have to. Anyways, I appreciate that Jesus-rand got stabbed with a spear, which at least indicates someone behind the scenes is keeping an eye on the symbolism. Hopefully we get full Odin in the tree. I don’t know how the show gets Perrin right at this point, so mostly I just hope he lands at compelling/interesting.
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Honestly I like book Perrin and think he gets some of the strongest bits in books 1-4 and 6. The Masema+Shaido chase gets a lot of flack and drags out a lot but even there it has some high points. And I think in KoD-MoL you get back to Perrin having some of the better POVs in the book. Though his arc is the one that could use the most reshuffling overall and definitely could have used moving some of that backloaded stuff up into 7-10 because you just have so much crammed into the last four books for him.
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Book Perrin is good through the return to two rivers and from forging the king's hammer onward and his entire story in between those two events could get completely thrown out and I would say good riddance
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We talk about Laila fridging but we never get mad enough about hopper fridging
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Perrin pulled a cool *teleports behind you* on Graendal/Hessalam in the last battle then just didn't kill her because she's a woman. That was the point where I went from bored and disappointed to legitimately angry at his entire arc and I still haven't recovered.
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pik_d posted:Perrin pulled a cool *teleports behind you* on Graendal/Hessalam in the last battle then just didn't kill her because she's a woman. That was the point where I went from bored and disappointed to legitimately angry at his entire arc and I still haven't recovered. Well clearly what needs to happen now is that Show Perrin needs to marry Graendal so that way he'd just stone cold murk her in a berserker rage
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Nihilarian posted:Book Perrin is good through the return to two rivers and from forging the king's hammer onward and his entire story in between those two events could get completely thrown out and I would say good riddance 100% agree. When I heard they would be condensing the books for the show, this is the first thing I thought of.
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