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I reckon you could make a pretty great 30-minute animated comedy series out of that premise
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MuddyFunster posted:Very good. I don't know where that one stands in the fandom or whatever, but I'm surprised I'd never heard of it. FlamingLiberal posted:Yes Lower Decks is well regarded among the fandom Agreed, it's a really good episode. But it's not particularly quotable or meme-able, and its main characters are all either one-shots or recurring backgrounders having a singular moment in the sun, so it doesn't come up very often in casual discussions like this thread. Also, I wish to formally state that this: MuddyFunster posted:spectrally frothing at the gash Is the best, most poetic turn of phrase I've seen all week.
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Oct 15, 2023 02:22
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Yeah, Lower Decks is generally considered one of the best episodes of Season 7, if not TNG as a whole. It coming right after Sub Rosa gives a good sense of just how uneven Season 7 was. As do the next couple of episodes
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Oct 15, 2023 02:57
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I hope Sito Jaxa and Kurn are partying in Sto-vo-kor while they wait for Worf to get there 
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Oct 15, 2023 03:38
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My only real complaint about Lower Decks is that it really feels like Ben, the bartender, was meant to be Guinan, and I wish they'd managed to get Whoopi Goldberg back for the episode. It seems off that this random guy we've never seen before is joining the senior staff poker game and offering advice.
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Oct 15, 2023 03:43
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Nah, that wouldn't have worked the same. There needed to be a working-class Guinan who could walk in both worlds, actual Guinan is like Ten Forward's senior officer.
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Oct 15, 2023 05:43
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Kesper North posted:I reckon you could make a pretty great 30-minute animated comedy series out of that premise 5 minutes is all I need. Wait, we're still talking about Sub Rosa, right?
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Oct 15, 2023 08:11
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How the gently caress did Trek get away with putting 'hey, here's Satan, he's actually a good guy and we're chill with him' in an ostensibly semi-kid-targeted animated show in 1973, anyway.
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Oct 15, 2023 11:56
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People just used to be more chill about being friends with satan obviously. drat you regan!!!!! (I actually have not even the slightest idea.)
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Oct 15, 2023 12:07
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Not a fan of "Wink of an Eye"'s conclusion. While it does continue the trend of Kirk committing multiple genocides in his career, it's not like the Federation couldn't have looked for volunteers. Or sent scientists to try and help them deal with their sterility. "No, you get quarantined and have to go extinct" is just the most Kirk of all possible outcomes.
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Oct 15, 2023 12:09
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MikeJF posted:How the gently caress did Trek get away with putting 'hey, here's Satan, he's actually a good guy and we're chill with him' in an ostensibly semi-kid-targeted animated show in 1973, anyway. I mean, they got in trouble over Spock's ears in the original show because people thought it was satanic. Maybe it's a reference to that.
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Oct 15, 2023 12:21
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thotsky posted:I mean, they got in trouble over Spock's ears in the original show because people thought it was satanic. Maybe it's a reference to that. I mean, sure that could explain why they might do it, but not why they're not getting in trouble of it. Like you just pointed out even just having slightly suggestive ears got them in trouble, how could literally finding out the devils a cool dude not?
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Oct 15, 2023 12:23
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dr_rat posted:I mean, sure that could explain why they might do it, but not why they're not getting in trouble of it. Like you just pointed out even just having slightly suggestive ears got them in trouble, how could literally finding out the devils a cool dude not? The 70s were a different time than the 60s? Maybe nobody gave a poo poo about children and this kind of thing until the Satanic panic in the 80s?
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Oct 15, 2023 12:29
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thotsky posted:The 70s were a different time than the 60s? Maybe nobody gave a poo poo about children and this kind of thing until the Satanic panic in the 80s? I mean I guess? Seems to make more sense than anything else 
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Oct 15, 2023 12:31
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The Satan Episode is my favorite TAS.
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Oct 15, 2023 14:09
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the Satan ep is really good. It is kind of surprising that they were able to get it on tv—but then as pointed out, this was before the Satanic panic. or really, right in at the very start of it, when it was just old folks clutching their pearls about Black Sabbath or the Stones or whatever, and hadn’t yet taken on its psychotic manifestation as a child abuse witch hunt. The best episode of TAS is the girl power one where Uhura and Chapel do gunboat diplomacy with the planet of Amazons, and they should adapt it for SNW, no notes
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Oct 15, 2023 14:33
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Over the years I started to actually enjoy Sub Rosa a lot, it's a trainwreck but like you said Gates tries so hard to make it work.
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If she wasn't going ALL IN, it'd merely just be another depressing episode where a female member of the crew gets violated. Instead it's kinda farcical? Especially when Picard walks in on her and she's trying to compose herself.Powered Descent posted:...Is the best, most poetic turn of phrase I've seen all week. I'm not proud, but goddamn am I still laughing to myself at that ending. Beverly's so happy and candid about it all to Troi.
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Oct 15, 2023 17:21
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I find the DS9 episode Cardassians kind of odd, because they decide to give the kid to his biological father and that's the end of it, the decision is made off screen and you never see the adopted father again. Felt like it was missing a scene.
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Oct 15, 2023 17:40
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I just cannot take Mark Twain remotely seriously in Time's Arrow anymore. Any time he starts talking I'm waiting for the 'eh hoo HA ehe' to start
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Oct 15, 2023 17:46
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MikeJF posted:How the gently caress did Trek get away with putting 'hey, here's Satan, he's actually a good guy and we're chill with him' in an ostensibly semi-kid-targeted animated show in 1973, anyway. Star Trek TAS wasn't actually targeted at children, it was sold and marketed as direct continuance, or seasons 4 and 5 of the Star Trek, the series. But now in animation because why not.
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Oct 15, 2023 18:27
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Der Kyhe posted:Star Trek TAS wasn't actually targeted at children, it was sold and marketed as direct continuance, or seasons 4 and 5 of the Star Trek, the series. But now in animation because why not. That is actually wildly ahead of its time in a way, are there any other cartoons for adults before Simpsons that had any kind of mainstream relevance?
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Oct 15, 2023 18:39
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TAS was released as a Saturday morning cartoon and won an Emmy for best kid show. I agree they weren’t particularly trying to write a dumbed-down show or “kiddie Trek” but they kind of ended up doing so, if only because they had no way at that time to market a cartoon to grownups.BonHair posted:That is actually wildly ahead of its time in a way, are there any other cartoons for adults before Simpsons that had any kind of mainstream relevance? Not really, at least on tv. Cinematically, Ralph Bakshi skasion fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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MikeJF posted:How the gently caress did Trek get away with putting 'hey, here's Satan, he's actually a good guy and we're chill with him' in an ostensibly semi-kid-targeted animated show in 1973, anyway. Because Lou Scheimer was an animation gigachad who didn't give the slightest gently caress and was cool as hell. See: how blatantly gay He-Man and She-Ra were in the 80s.
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BonHair posted:That is actually wildly ahead of its time in a way, are there any other cartoons for adults before Simpsons that had any kind of mainstream relevance? Flintstones comes to mind, but that was way more of a kids show than what TAS ever was. The writers went in with "write a normal Star Trek episode, but only in two acts, and cut the romance subplots". And yes, TAS won an Emmy for "child's show" because adult animation really wasn't a thing back then, and nobody had an idea on how to market or label it. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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No Dignity posted:I just cannot take Mark Twain remotely seriously in Time's Arrow anymore. Any time he starts talking I'm waiting for the 'eh hoo HA ehe' to start I still like that he's given no gushing reverence. He's just a pest and a problem, too clever for his own good, getting in the way constantly. Thing I appreciated most was them not trying to replicate Best of Both Worlds. They could have notched it up with the EPICEST OF EPIC season finale cliffhangers, instead they just go with a vague mystery in the middle of a campy runabout with mild Voyage Home vibes.
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MuddyFunster posted:I still like that he's given no gushing reverence. He's just a pest and a problem, too clever for his own good, getting in the way constantly. Also that scene near the end of the two-parter with Twain on the Enterprise-D where him and Troi debate the idea of the Federation itself where he's intensely skeptical of the idea given what he's seen of humanity in his time is just fantastic. It's kind of the only time he really feels like Mark Twain instead of the HOO, HAA, MWAHA parody they were writing before that.
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MuddyFunster posted:I still like that he's given no gushing reverence. He's just a pest and a problem, too clever for his own good, getting in the way constantly. It's a very fun, silly adventure, it's definitely TNG resting on its laurels but it sits on them very comfortably at that point
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Atlas Hugged posted:Not a fan of "Wink of an Eye"'s conclusion. While it does continue the trend of Kirk committing multiple genocides in his career, it's not like the Federation couldn't have looked for volunteers. Or sent scientists to try and help them deal with their sterility. It's kind of hilarious how that episode ends. "Well, bye, guys! Hope you figure things out!"
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Oct 15, 2023 19:23
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'Troi gets turned into a vampy milf' does feel like an episode of the writer's barely disguised fetish, how the hell did this one get filmed
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The bit when she appears, full rubber face, screeching hysterically before stabbing Picard had me out of my seat. It is so, so dumb.
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MuddyFunster posted:The bit when she appears, full rubber face, screeching hysterically before stabbing Picard had me out of my seat. It is so, so dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQLjm6bTgxI
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BonHair posted:That is actually wildly ahead of its time in a way, are there any other cartoons for adults before Simpsons that had any kind of mainstream relevance? Flintstones as someone mentioned, but a lot of looney tunes and such were played before movies back in the day and had references that only the adults would get
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Feldegast42 posted:Flintstones as someone mentioned, but a lot of looney tunes and such were played before movies back in the day and had references that only the adults would get Yeah. All the first and second generation cartoons (e.g.; those that were used as previews and interstitials for films, and the first few out on TV in black & white) were all adult oriented.
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skasion posted:TAS was released as a Saturday morning cartoon and won an Emmy for best kid show. I agree they weren’t particularly trying to write a dumbed-down show or “kiddie Trek” but they kind of ended up doing so, if only because they had no way at that time to market a cartoon to grownups.
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Elaan of Troyius is such a weird episode. The CGI is particularly bad here and really distracts from how cool the space battle is. The next episode starts with a monolog about mental health and the criminally insane. I'm sure they'll handle the topic with dignity and respect. I'm also expecting this episode to be a retread of the other mental health underground base episode.
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People have complained about it before but "Wrongs Darker Than Death Or Night" is a really perfect example of the writers of DS9 just coming up with a concept for an episode and COMPLETELY ignoring what it means for any past episodes. Yea it's pretty funny that Dukat, who is missing, calls up Kira in the middle of the night to say "Lol I shagged your mum" and he sorta explains why he's never said this before. But I don't think the explanation he does works at all. He was potentially with her for SEVEN YEARS and he never mentioned it? That just seems loving bananas to me. But all the writers were happy with it because as a standalone episode it works okay. And to just end with "and she died in a cardassian hospital 7 years later". Of what? She'd be like 30! At least it's followed by In the Pale Moonlight
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The lesson that I got was Dukat was bullshitting to get in Kira's head and he was so proud of his plan it couldn't wait until morning to implement
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Soul Dentist posted:The lesson that I got was Dukat was bullshitting to get in Kira's head and he was so proud of his plan it couldn't wait until morning to implement But he wasn't! It was real!
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Soul Dentist posted:The lesson that I got was Dukat was bullshitting to get in Kira's head and he was so proud of his plan it couldn't wait until morning to implement Also apparently, allegedly it was supposed to be the start of a Dukat-Kira Romance thing. Nana Visitor refused the gently caress out of it and this is what we got instead.
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