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In the myriadic year of our Lord Noodle
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Oct 16, 2023 19:04
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Happy Landfill posted:Yeah, John seems reeeaalll sorry about things Immortal god emperors watch sunsets
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Oct 16, 2023 19:05
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Guys as careful as John don't have accidents. honestly i feel like any ambiguity is gone the moment we find out what the Cohort does to planets Forget if that's late in GtN or early in HtN My man was mad his planet died so he made a death cult to kill every planet he could find...literally a millennia-long campaign to render the galaxy (universe?) uninhabitable
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Oct 17, 2023 02:53
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PupsOfWar posted:honestly i feel like any ambiguity is gone the moment we find out what the Cohort does to planets That's Harrow.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:08
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Guys as careful as John don't have accidents. Who knows what we might do, if given the power of a god? To me it's the central thorn of the quadrilogy. I can imagine being both the predator and thinking myself the savior.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:26
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PupsOfWar posted:honestly i feel like any ambiguity is gone the moment we find out what the Cohort does to planets The other day my students were playing a version of Hangman but for phrases or quotes One was "the voluntary human extinction movement". John wasn't wrong. He was just ahead of the curve.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:28
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I think he's one of the legit best villains in fiction
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Oct 17, 2023 03:28
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sebmojo posted:I think he's one of the legit best villains in fiction It really could be a great movie trilogy except for the fact that whoever made it would absolutely gently caress it up
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Oct 17, 2023 03:36
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Guillermo del Toro.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:57
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mdemone posted:Who knows what we might do, if given the power of a god? I like to think I would not immediately turn off the Sun or genocide humanity so I could resurrect most of the folks I don't hate, but I definitely would eat peanuts in meetings and play tablet games all the time. There have been a lot of Necro-Lord Primes in literature, but John is definitely the most relatable one, the one I would have a beer with. Harold Fjord posted:Guillermo del Toro.
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Oct 17, 2023 04:00
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StumblyWumbly posted:
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Oct 17, 2023 04:15
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StumblyWumbly posted:There have been a lot of Necro-Lord Primes in literature, but John is definitely the most relatable one, the one I would have a beer with. Dios Apate, the awkward three-way Rugby World Cup handshake of the future.
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Oct 17, 2023 04:20
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PupsOfWar posted:honestly i feel like any ambiguity is gone the moment we find out what the Cohort does to planets For me it was finding out that there's a house devoted to teenaged suicide soldiers like halfway through Gideon, although that was more like "hey uh... this book knows that these guys are the bad guys, right? Right????" and it took until Harrow to be sure that the book did know that.
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Oct 17, 2023 05:28
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Organza Quiz posted:For me it was finding out that there's a house devoted to teenaged suicide soldiers like halfway through Gideon, although that was more like "hey uh... this book knows that these guys are the bad guys, right? Right????" and it took until Harrow to be sure that the book did know that. you can't blame that on jod. the fourth just really really really loves getting into the thick of things very fast and with minimal regard for their own safety
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Oct 17, 2023 06:23
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Harold Fjord posted:Guillermo del Toro. Maybe. But the only safe option is to wait until the fan animatics artists have done all of a book and then release that.
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Oct 17, 2023 06:29
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redleader posted:you can't blame that on jod. the fourth just really really really loves getting into the thick of things very fast and with minimal regard for their own safety You do not in fact have to hand it to the Necrolord Prime
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Oct 17, 2023 06:30
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sebmojo posted:You do not in fact have to hand it to the Necrolord Prime they're just so happy to be there! the fourth are like puppies for war
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Oct 17, 2023 06:31
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mdemone posted:Who knows what we might do, if given the power of a god?
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Oct 17, 2023 13:05
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cptn_dr posted:Dios Apate, the awkward three-way Rugby World Cup handshake of the future. I appreciate the fact that all the other characters expressed how gross that whole thing was. It actually made the plot device work for me, whereas otherwise I probably would have found it jarring.
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Oct 17, 2023 17:07
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Jod is friendly, concerned for his people, and frequently through much of HtN is the only adult in the room. He's got some warning signs but they're mostly like "he's uncomfortably interested in the weird potential of his death magic" and he's also the only stable and supportive presence for Harrow. He's good at playing on sympathies, spends so much of NtN doing just that. It's just so easy to like him personally! And really who wouldn't strike out in a panic with their terrible power, glut themselves on death to bring more death, and murder a solar system just to take one more swing at someone you really loving hate when in the midst of a breakdown? He's just, also, y'know... the Prince Undying, God Emperor of a stagnant death cult empire of 10,000 years that goes out and murders planets. But he also owned up to being Gideon's dad, even if Gideon's birth was some kind of weird weapon against him. A land of contrasts. Jod's terrible, I love him.
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Oct 17, 2023 17:17
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I went on a ride. The Jod discussion here made me wonder if the tea + cookies scenes with Harrow and Jod were inspired by Muir being confined to a mental facility, but I don't remember if she actually was ever committed. I found a long interview with her saying she's had lots and lots of therapy, so that's where it's probably from. Sadly, the long interview was also where she cleared the air about twitter (in the public mob sense) accusing her of being a pedo, and her being driven to being suicidal, again. This was back in 2020. I'm not sure this is kosher to post about - this led me to her old livejournal where she'd post homestuck fan fic. I was surprised that some of the posts were in chat log format with Muir and a friend bouncing ideas off each other in a more and more excited tone, often mashing the keyboard in excitement. I've wondered about that early writing process. She ended up in the Clarion program where I think they tamed the wild talent, she said it "was an atmosphere where everyone carried themselves as a future professional". This is the long form 2020 interview, it's still really good: http://threecrowsmagazine.com/tamsyn-muir-interview-there-is-a-lot-of-blood-on-my-dance-floor/
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Oct 17, 2023 17:52
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Reading between the lines I think she was committed, yeah.
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Oct 17, 2023 19:06
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mewse posted:
I don't really have anything to add beyond this being a very enlightening read and I think any fan should read it at least once. Anyway, I'd like to wish Tamsyn a very heartfelt Homestuck's Back
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Oct 19, 2023 01:20
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StumblyWumbly posted:I like to think I would not immediately turn off the Sun or genocide humanity so I could resurrect most of the folks I don't hate, but I definitely would eat peanuts in meetings and play tablet games all the time. I'm suddenly struck by how much John resembles the Emperor in the WH40K universe (before the Heresy and Siege of Terra, obv) I wonder if this was at least partially on Muir's mind as a character influence.
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Oct 19, 2023 18:37
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mdemone posted:I'm suddenly struck by how much John resembles the Emperor in the WH40K universe (before the Heresy and Siege of Terra, obv) afaik she's said as much in interviews
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Oct 19, 2023 22:22
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Kesper North posted:afaik she's said as much in interviews Primarchs, Houses, old empires lost to the Dark Ages I must have read her comments on that and then forgot about it. But it is very interesting, and possibly why I still have an affinity for John. Empy did nothing "wrong on purpose", but he hosed it all up anyway. Same vibes.
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Oct 19, 2023 23:43
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I get what you're saying but also even the most benevolent interpretation of the emperor he's a fascist xenophobe who has exterminated countless other species and cultures because they didn't fit into his interpretation of humanity whether or not they were being seduced by the literal satanic energy permeating the universe. Just like John, only John's version of the alien, mutant, heretic is being descended from a billionaire. That's why the real heroes are the Necrons.
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Oct 20, 2023 00:51
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John is brilliant because everything about him is so charming but he's like like Hitler x10,000 in pure objective evil terms
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Oct 20, 2023 01:00
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Benagain posted:I get what you're saying but also even the most benevolent interpretation of the emperor he's a fascist xenophobe who has exterminated countless other species and cultures because they didn't fit into his interpretation of humanity whether or not they were being seduced by the literal satanic energy permeating the universe. Just like John, only John's version of the alien, mutant, heretic is being descended from a billionaire. But yea! That's what I'm saying! We should kill all the billionaires! I'm glad you have attended my Emp/Jod talk Edit: I agree that the Necrons are clearly the good guys. mdemone fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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Oct 20, 2023 01:05
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sebmojo posted:John is brilliant because everything about him is so charming but he's like like Hitler x10,000 in pure objective evil terms Hustle wins the day
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Oct 20, 2023 01:09
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Please enjoy this belated meme I made back when Alecto Barbie was a thing and forgot about till now
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Oct 20, 2023 02:21
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sebmojo posted:John is brilliant because everything about him is so charming but he's like like Hitler x10,000 in pure objective evil terms Plus he quotes memes in general conversation so you know there's some psychopathy there
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Oct 20, 2023 03:08
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Benagain posted:only John's version of the alien, mutant, heretic is being descended from a billionaire. If you had stopped at "is a billionaire" without the lifetime family ban I think there would be much less arguement.
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Oct 20, 2023 04:13
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M_Gargantua posted:If you had stopped at "is a billionaire" without the lifetime family ban I think there would be much less arguement. Ooh I think you have gotten to what Muir wanted to point you to. It doesn't matter for her story because it's all after that. But she wants you to sympathize with the destruction of the capitalist world.
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Oct 20, 2023 04:17
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I didn't say it yet but this is perhaps the most serious exploration of hermeneutical communism that I know of in fiction
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Oct 20, 2023 04:19
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Hermeneutical, drat near killed em all!
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Oct 20, 2023 04:41
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sebmojo posted:John is brilliant because everything about him is so charming but he's like like Hitler x10,000 in pure objective evil terms
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Oct 20, 2023 04:56
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He's genderswapped Condesce.
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Oct 20, 2023 05:36
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:I do not find him charming. I find him extremely creepy. And purely evil, of course. imo it's not that he's charming, it's that he's good at seeming like a relatably ineffectual dork who is just in over his head with the whole God thing. He weaponizes Elder Millennial messiness as a mask and makes you go "wow what a sad disastrous little guy, being God must be really overwhelming" without realizing what a monster he is or how deeply in control he is of every bad thing. You immediately realize he's bad, but you don't immediately realize in what way he is bad, or to what extent Of course, he is still a deeply sad disastrous little guy, two things can be true at once etc PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Oct 20, 2023 |
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