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Bread Set Jettison posted:Oh man also if The fire devil is a Prometheus reference, then I bet we’re about to get a lot of unintended consequences How so?
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the Death Devil being both the Great King and also Nayuuta and Fami's Sister is very gender of Fujimoto and I dig it 
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Happy Landfill posted:the Death Devil being both the Great King and also Nayuuta and Fami's Sister is very gender of Fujimoto and I dig it "Gender? I hardly know her." ~ Fujimoto
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Oct 17, 2023 18:29
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:with the church theme and kumbaya my lord. it could simply be the religion devil. there should be some overlap in devil powers. like flamethrower devil probably isn't the only fire themed devil hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha better lucky than good
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CharlestonJew posted:Chainsaw Man rules Eimi posted:The future rules.
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Oct 17, 2023 19:09
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You know poo poo's bad when even Denji's aware of just how bad it is
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yum posted:Uh, how can you make people fear War and Chainsaw without simultaneously making them fear death? You're afraid of them because they lead to death! Their concepts are entwined, so Fami would also be buffing the Death Devil!! If you fear war and chainsaws, you also fear being crippled for life and misery. A lot of people trapped in a war or a shed filled with chainsaws falling on them end up fearing not dying, a lot more than just death!
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Torn be being terrified of Death showing up in person, and really wanting to see what insane design/personality Fujimoto has for her
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Instead of trying to make people be less afraid of death Fami's going all in on the other option. It really is a devil's way of thinking.
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i bet the death devil is just like pochita
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Electric Phantasm posted:How so? Prometheus being usually used to reference unintended consequences and overreaching. Considering how often Fujimoto references classics i wouldn’t be surprised if he does it again.
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Libluini posted:If you fear war and chainsaws, you also fear being crippled for life and misery. A lot of people trapped in a war or a shed filled with chainsaws falling on them end up fearing not dying, a lot more than just death! Right. Balancing the scale between the primordial and instinctual fear of death universal to all living creatures vs the more complex types of fears that separate humans from animals. Cool
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Oct 17, 2023 20:06
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The fire devil is definitely going to be Seigi Akoku, that dude everyone has been saying looks like Agni from Fire Punch since he showed up. I actually think the original Seigi Akoku died back when Yuko attacked the school, then the Fire Devil took over his corpse and he became the fire fiend. He uses his hat and eyepatch to hide the fact he now has a fiend head. And that's my guess on how that works.
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death devil is basically at the tip of the devil pyramid scheme. getting residuals on almost every other fear
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Farg posted:death devil is basically at the tip of the devil pyramid scheme. getting residuals on almost every other fear Eternity Devil is its natural arch enemy though
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yum posted:Right. Balancing the scale between the primordial and instinctual fear of death universal to all living creatures vs the more complex types of fears that separate humans from animals. Cool I'm not even really sure that's Human-only emotions. Recently, my mother's old dog was so ill she had him put down, but the poor bastard accepted death so gladly and peacefully, he made the vet administering the poison weep. That's at least one animal that really didn't want to live anymore. Also now I'm imagining some sort of Dr. Kevorkian-type superhero wandering Chainsawman's world, peacefully bringing death, causing death devil's power to crater at inconvenient moments.
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Libluini posted:I'm not even really sure that's Human-only emotions. Recently, my mother's old dog was so ill she had him put down, but the poor bastard accepted death so gladly and peacefully, he made the vet administering the poison weep. That's at least one animal that really didn't want to live anymore. Sorry to hear about your mother's dog. I guess I am being too anthropocentric. I'm looking forward to how Fujimoto addresses this. CSM is good!!
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Fire Devil also sounds like a primal fear devil.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Fire Devil also sounds like a primal fear devil. yeah everything is pretty much afraid of fire
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:yeah everything is pretty much afraid of fire Except for my boy Denji.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Fire Devil also sounds like a primal fear devil. It's interesting because fire is a source of great terror but fire is also arguably humanity's first big weapon against fear as well.
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oh no...fire is v scary... be careful my favorite characters
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Cephas posted:Except for my boy Denji. god what a great loving panel. I'm too dumb for your ingenious plan to work
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:god what a great loving panel. I'm too dumb for your ingenious plan to work He's the world's dumbest genius, or its smartest moron.
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It’s very cool to be reading a manga that is very obviously going to be remembered as an all time great series.
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Awesome to see payoffs to things from a year ago.
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man part 1 showed what an intense general disdain fujimoto had for the yakuza, i guess in part 2 is going to be the moonies
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Minor detail this chapter, compared to the main events, but with the timeline update, we now know Denji's eighteen, and had his birthday before the theater date. Also, there's a movie called "Chainsaw Man Vs. Shark."
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chiasaur11 posted:Minor detail this chapter, compared to the main events, but with the timeline update, we now know Denji's eighteen, and had his birthday before the theater date. Poor Beam
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So Makiyuta being a sister to other horsemen means 'Conquest' makes just as much sense as 'Control' right? It's very much the same domain but also way better fits Makima's description of how she could gain power.
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Ranzear posted:So Makiyuta being a sister to other horsemen means 'Conquest' makes just as much sense as 'Control' right? CSM Control as Biblical Conquest seems to fit best, yeah. Especially, given the interpretation that wars of conquest might not be inherently 'bad' or immoral, with Makima stopping the madness star and weakening War (as in civil war which is the definite bad kind). Hence Conquest gets the White horse, but also they're still harbingers of the end so it's.. not great when they show up lol EDIT: Basically the four horseman and what they represent is kinda all over the place so Fujimoto can do what he wants GloomMouse fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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Ranzear posted:So Makiyuta being a sister to other horsemen means 'Conquest' makes just as much sense as 'Control' right? The Japanese phrase is the same as used for conquest the horseman, yes. It's just that it could also be translated as control, and the original context made the more mundane term seem more relevant.
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GloomMouse posted:EDIT: Basically the four horseman and what they represent is kinda all over the place so Fujimoto can do what he wants It can also just straight up be five, but sometimes Gabriel riding while blowing the horn is the 5th, sometimes Conquest is the 5th, and sometimes Conquest just randomly replaces one of the other four (Death, Pestilence, Famine, War). It also seems really stealthy and intentional to go with 'Control' instead of 'Conquest' in part one, but is probably just a happy accident.
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Ranzear posted:It can also just straight up be five, but sometimes Gabriel riding while blowing the horn is the 5th, sometimes Conquest is the 5th, and sometimes Conquest just randomly replaces one of the other four (Death, Pestilence, Famine, War). Well she was named the control devil, before it was revealed she was part of a four horsemen set representing conquest. Also Conquest is the original 1st Rider. Pestilence replacing them is a later thing.
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Well only death is ever actually named in the Bible, as in there text says “Yo this guy on the horse’s name’s Death” the other three are described but not explicitly named. Giving rise to all kinds of interpretations like the White Rider being Jesus, Conquest, or Pestilence.
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Fun fact: the 3rd horsemen, Famine, is sometimes viewed as Justice
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I don't quite understand the significance of the Fire devil reveal. Would things have been any different if it was just known what devil was harassing Asa this entire time? Neither Justice or Fire has had any personal involvement so it doesn't really seem like it's a big deal that one faceless devil isnactual some other faceless devil especially when their powers are so abstract
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Eggplant Squire posted:I don't quite understand the significance of the Fire devil reveal. Would things have been any different if it was just known what devil was harassing Asa this entire time? Neither Justice oflr Fire has had any personal involvement so it doesn't really seem like it's a big deal that one faceless devil isnactual some other faceless devil especially when their powers are so abstract I think there's a few things: Obviously because the manga is about and features many devil's, hiding the true devil is just part of the fun. There are reasons to do this outside of just being pointless sleight of hand though. It sets the readers expectation and then subverts them. It can recontextualize how we have viewed the earlier effects of the contracted and their powers. It lets us find out there's a devil namer. Its a twist in the motivations of this faction and the people contacted to it. It shows some of the character behind the cult and it's leaders. They could have just said it all at the beginning (we're telling them it's justice but it's really fire) but it's better if the reader is led to believe that all these yokels think they're out for justice when the twist is they were all manipulated from the start. I didn't look at this as some omg big devil reveal but more a reveal and the motivations and traits of a primary antagonist group.
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