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So the artillery and armour, regular and reserve, do not actually train at their jobs, but have a training focus that is 100% geared towards children throwing rocks. That explains a lot.
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FlapYoJacks posted:Israel using children as shields is disgusting. found in the twitter thread 
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Still fucks with me how we just send kids out to war. Humans are hosed, man.
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may allah strike down the great satan and its pathetic apartheid vassal
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Frosted Flake posted:The explanation given in that book published this July is very funny: the IDF is like if someone said "If we got all the prison guards in America together we could put together a functional army."
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normally you'd have infantry to watch for people doing that, but, as has been repeatedly discussed in this thread, the Israeli army has all but abolished the use of infantry in actual combat situations, using them almost exclusively in a police role against lightly armed or unarmed populations in theory you'd use drones and cameras mounted on the vehicles to replace the situational awareness that infantry would have previously provided - the newest IDF tanks are even getting fancy super-expensive augmented reality helmets for tank commanders that are supposed to let them see everything around the tank at all times, to help them notice and react to, for example, a guy with an RPG crawling up behind the tank. the fantasy the IDF has bought into is that of a war in which they risk nothing and suffer no casualties, the belief that it is possible to establish such overwhelming qualitative superiority that you are, not just perceived as invincible, but actually, literally invincible. that every enemy weapon system can be negated or neutralized, that every possible attack can be defended against, that war is a solvable problem. it's how they reconcile two seemingly contradictory ideas. Israel, as a fascist settler state, is obsessed with violence, bases its national mythology around the righteousness and purifying power of violence, derives its legitimacy as a state from its ability to inflict violence, and assigns value to its citizenry based partly on their willingness to commit violence and their ability to do so. it is a state that exists to wage war and defines itself as a nation of warriors. at the same time, they're so casualty-averse that the consequences of waging war are devastating to national morale and they have almost no societal tolerance for setbacks. a single Israeli soldier lost is a national tragedy, more so than an Israeli civilian death, even. they want to fight, they need to fight, but they can't deal with the inevitable results of that fighting. but what if you didn't have to? what if there was a way to wage war safely? well luckily for them, there are businessmen willing to sell them technological solutions that promise just that, promise them exactly the kind of war they want, a war with all the glory and all the power, the thrill of triumphing over the hated foe, but without ever having to directly put you or yours at any risk. and they place their faith in those solutions, because they have to, they have to believe that they work, the viability of Israel as a nation depends on it. so you get them blindly driving unsupported tanks directly into ambushes over and over and over, each time unwilling to entertain the possibility that it won't work.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Still fucks with me how we just send kids out to war. Humans are hosed, man. “War Pigs” really captured the human condition.
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Urban combat continues to be the great equalizer.
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FlapYoJacks posted:Israel using children as shields is disgusting. Well what are the stat bonuses
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LeeMajors posted:“War Pigs” really captured the human condition. Best anti-war song. Ditch the logos for pathos.
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speng31b posted:no i just gotta say i think this policy is kind of weird and dumb as long as the posts are properly tagged and warned so people can choose whether to view or not. did we ban videos of cops being pieces of poo poo beating up protesters during the height of the george floyd protestss? banning any possibly upsetting videos because a bunch of freaks liked to jerk off to russians getting killed in ukraine is definitely a choice
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I'm currently drafting a plan i call the Ultimate State Solution - it involves every citizen of Palestine and Israel performing a simultaneous mass fusion dance - creating an singular gestalt being with g*dlike power, the Super Semite
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You can't post fighting here! This is the war thread!
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i've made my peace with the fact that somehow, monkeys paw style, the gbs ukraine idiots always somehow get their way and make everything worse you just gotta roll with it
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Calibanibal posted:Well what are the stat bonuses +3% protection from Jihad +82 points to "evil fascist country" -2000% ground war effectiveness
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Al-Saqr posted:https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1719619183749877766?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg Death By The Blues posted:Big huge words from one of the leaders of the Iraqi Shiite Miltias Al-Saqr posted:iran officially calls on all muslim countris to stop all gas and energy and food exports to israel Al-Saqr posted:the world union of islamic scholars have issued a fatwa demanding arab armies and countries intervene to save gaza Al-Saqr posted:thank you kim! north korea is best korea! Al-Saqr posted:jordan tellls israel their embassador wont be allowed back into jordan more of this plz
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If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret?
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Mister Bates posted:normally you'd have infantry to watch for people doing that, but, as has been repeatedly discussed in this thread, the Israeli army has all but abolished the use of infantry in actual combat situations, using them almost exclusively in a police role against lightly armed or unarmed populations  They are just further down this road than the rest of the western militaries, whose politicians all want to do the same thing eventually. I would speculate Israel is more able to do it because they're so heavily subsidized, they're playing with US money and get their basic military needs met for free. Israel also has a weird thing with the tech industry that colours a lot of the culture (which also hurts the military because everybody with promise goes into fart app development).
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Fell Mood posted:If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret? yes
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What happens when you put blood in a sodastream?
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Fell Mood posted:If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret? Well its more for hitting something such as a fleeing child who thought they were in the clear
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Sancho Banana posted:Coming back from Instagram to say that it turns out I met this guy and forgot. Huh. wasnt worth remembering anyways
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Retromancer posted:What happens when you put blood in a sodastream? Zionist birthing pod
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Fell Mood posted:If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret? You accelerate to hopefully create a harder to hit target and hope there isn’t a shallow ravine in front of you that was never there on the VR trainer.
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Pobrecito posted:i just gotta say i think this policy is kind of weird and dumb as long as the posts are properly tagged and warned so people can choose whether to view or not. whats wrong with your brain
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:more of this plz https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1719769552840478998
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Judgy Fucker posted:All the way. From the River to the Sea.
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Fell Mood posted:If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret? So they actually lost at least one of the fancy rear end tanks too,  "These tanks were introduced into service in 2023. They have the most up-to-date technology, such as a 360-degree all-weather camera for constant surveillance. The tanks have a full computer, modern data processing systems, and a modified Active Protection System." Israel was at one point known for putting lots of machine guns on their tanks and encouraging tank commanders and loaders to ride around unbuttoned (sticking out of the hatch). However, in the 2000's they started using those plexiglas shields (which are not actually that easy to see through), then cameras, then remote weapon stations, because Israel is a loser crybaby nation. People not in the military are really sold on these gizmos but what you never see is that often it's like looking through a loving straw, it's not at all like just looking around organically, and of course you can't hear anything. That doesn't sound like a problem but it has to do with situational awareness. Studies have shown over and over that human vision is closely related to hearing. So, you hear the crack of a bullet, you know, instinctively, where to turn your head, and your eyes are kind of guided by subsequent sounds. They think they can recreate that with loving Boomerang. A bunch of microphones on a pole. 
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Fell Mood posted:If the tank commander used his fancy helmet to see a guy crawling up from behind with an RPG, what then? Does the tank have a machine gun? Do you try to pick off individual fighters with the main turret? tanks have machines guns yes, i think israeli ones have more than normal because they're designed with oppressing people in urban areas so they have like one co-axial gun like normal and then 3 or 4 crew served or remote controlled guns on top
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one thing that still shocks me is that for all the hubub of how technologically advanced israel likes to claim they are its been Hamas who have been far more effective and innovative with high tech stuff like drones and such while israel is as hapless as 1995 russia going into grozny my 500 million dollar tank was defeated by a 100 dollar drone with an RPG pilebunker round. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 18:57 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Al-Saqr posted:how normal is it for RPG and ATGM users to be within 100 feet of a tank theyre targeting? because aljazeera is currently airing footage released by Qassam and theres shots of them literallt coming out of the ground 100 feet away from merkavas and blowing them up that's a tactic for getting around active defenses on the tanks. gotta shoot from up close so the countermeasures don't have enough time to activate
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AnimeIsTrash posted:whats wrong with your brain a lot
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Honky Mao posted:Well its more for hitting something such as a fleeing child who thought they were in the clear "Wait a minute lieutenant, this terrorist is clearly a fully grown adult! Surely this can't be our target. I shat myself."
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Frosted Flake posted:It dovetails with the writing on Israeli society and military: Israel is both bloodthirsty and casualty intolerant, and so can't use its army, which means it can't hold and occupy terrain, but at the same time it must eliminate any threats - particularly now that its deterrence is gone. A long war, which the IDF can no longer deter through the army, becomes more likely the longer this goes on. Israel also can't keep soldiers mobilized or the economy will collapse. I mean, to be fair, the text (if not necessarily the subtext) of the document is that they want to remove and displace the Palestinians from Gaza, because: 1.) As long as Palestinians are in Gaza, they will resist the conditions of occupation and Israel cannot meaningfully change this 2.) This is the only outcome they feel is a sufficiently big humiliation/punishment for Oct 7. They believe that if they can instill a sufficient sense of "failure" into the Palestinian people, it will have a deterrent effect. The first point is true, the second point is not. But what really sticks out is their complete failure to assess the broader strategic implications of riling up the entire Arab (and non-Arab) world, + displacing 2 million vengeful Palestinians into neighboring countries whose populace already hates Israel, and whose comprador leadership is already barely clinging on. There is also no meaningful consideration of Hezbollah/Iranian counter-actions.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:they definitely have a lot of smuggling tunnels Phew, that’s a relief
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Al-Saqr posted:one thing that still shocks me is that for all the hubub of how technologically advanced israel likes to claim they are its been Hamas who have been far more effective and innovative with high tech stuff like drones and such while israel is as hapless as 1995 russia going into grozny It's because "technologically advanced" in the west means a contractor with fancy power points. It's the same poo poo with covid air purifiers where state governments bought actual snake oil instead of using the cheap DIY CR boxes that work better than HEPA filters, because one of those had Capital attached to it and the other did not and was therefore primitive and bad.
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Pobrecito posted:i just gotta say i think this policy is kind of weird and dumb as long as the posts are properly tagged and warned so people can choose whether to view or not. lol
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Mister Bates posted:normally you'd have infantry to watch for people doing that, but, as has been repeatedly discussed in this thread, the Israeli army has all but abolished the use of infantry in actual combat situations, using them almost exclusively in a police role against lightly armed or unarmed populations Welp this explains the Iron Dome. Which is running on fumes afaik.
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