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Arc Hammer posted:So here's a question. I know it might be a moot point given they're Warp entities and don't exactly "age" like astartes but how old would the primarchs have been during the Crusade and the Heresy? At least in terms of how long they inhabited realspace in a physical form. The Great Crusade had been going about 200 years before the Heresy so around that time on average although not all the primarchs landed/woke up on their planets at the same time.
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And that's Mortis done. I still maintain that it shouldn't be skipped, and there are some great moments in the book, it's just a little bit too meandering and unfocused. I'm sure it's also a great disappointment to many, but when that's all you've heard of it, it's quite easy to square the disappointment away ahead of time and enjoy what's there.
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Arc Hammer posted:So here's a question. I know it might be a moot point given they're Warp entities and don't exactly "age" like astartes but how old would the primarchs have been during the Crusade and the Heresy? At least in terms of how long they inhabited realspace in a physical form. There's one short story where there's a great crusade era Salamander that got trapped on planet through a crash land or something and was basically immobilized or something but was still alive into 40k. He was like a minor side character with very limited screen time though. Space marines dont really age, I think they slow down slightly through the years but theres a ton of dialogue that strongly suggests they may be biologically immortal.
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Huh. I skimmed the Goonhammer review and I'm not sure the writer read the book.
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I think that Dante is proof that astartes do age in some way. I think they may be technically immortal, but senescence still plays some role, and The Devastation of Baal implies that it does affect them negatively. Then he crossed the Rubicon and I guess that made him young and cool again idk tbh
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Black Griffon posted:I think that Dante is proof that astartes do age in some way. I think they may be technically immortal, but senescence still plays some role, and The Devastation of Baal implies that it does affect them negatively. The Rubicon is just space viagra.
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Black Griffon posted:I think that Dante is proof that astartes do age in some way. I think they may be technically immortal, but senescence still plays some role, and The Devastation of Baal implies that it does affect them negatively. Oddly enough EATD II very light spoilers so do perpetuals, just very very very very slowly
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In Black Legion, Abaddon mentions that Sigismund was -just- slowed enough by age to be beatable, after around 1000 years of service. But that freak was likely in a class of his own. I assume there are variations based on how well the geneseed takes, battle wounds, etc.
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In The Lion: Son of the Forest it's brought up multiple times that El'Jonson has gotten quite old in the 10,000 years he's been absent for, and it narrows the performance gap between him and regular Astartes.
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D-Pad posted:Got a link to their post about it? I love when that kind of thing happens. Like I understand why a lot of people aren't interested in or hold their noses at something like 40k, and to be fair more books are dogshit than not, but the best ones are every bit as good as the best scifi classics and it's sad to me Abnett doesn't get recognition as one of the scifi pantheon when he absolutely should. The man can write. https://twitter.com/search?q=From%3AAchillghost%20warhammer&src=typed_query&f=top I know what you mean. I got a bit indignant when someone declared that the James S.A. Coreys outcoass Abbett in every respect.
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I mean in the case of someone like The Lion he never really got frozen in time like Rowboat or went off galavanting through the Warp or web way where time is irrelevant like other primarchs. But if Rowboat spent so long in stasis there's a good chance that some ultramarines have been fighting longer than he's ever been conscious. Guy is only a few centuries "old" at most given how indisposed he was. He's certainly the youngest active Primarch in that regard.
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Arc Hammer posted:So here's a question. I know it might be a moot point given they're Warp entities and don't exactly "age" like astartes but how old would the primarchs have been during the Crusade and the Heresy? At least in terms of how long they inhabited realspace in a physical form. Bjorn has been around that long, but not on active duty.
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moths posted:Huh. I skimmed the Goonhammer review and I'm not sure the writer read the book. I found myself in agreement with them. Seemed to need an editor very badly. Lots of reputation, subtext just stated, etc etc.
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Sephyr posted:In Black Legion, Abaddon mentions that Sigismund was -just- slowed enough by age to be beatable, after around 1000 years of service. But that freak was likely in a class of his own. I assume there are variations based on how well the geneseed takes, battle wounds, etc. What happened to Sigismund that he’s 1000 years old and not 10 000?
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Miguel Prado posted:What happened to Sigismund that he’s 1000 years old and not 10 000? It's the first black crusade.
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Miguel Prado posted:What happened to Sigismund that he’s 1000 years old and not 10 000? We are returned
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Miguel Prado posted:What happened to Sigismund that he’s 1000 years old and not 10 000? Abbadon happened 
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Abnett finally ended a book really well. The last half page or so is literally perfect
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I agree it’s sad these Amazing books are buried in a niche genre under 50 books of backstory But the payoff to follow it here is worth it for fans
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It's supposed to arrive between 8 and 16 tomorrow. I can't even read it yet and I'm still giddy.
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Black Griffon posted:It's supposed to arrive between 8 and 16 tomorrow. I can't even read it yet and I'm still giddy. Hate to break it to you but the clocks are all stopped 
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EATD2 spoilers of course, about the Anabasis teams: Did anyone else think that other than Khorne attempting to convert Rogal, there was nothing really to indicate which of the Pantheon were focusing on the other three branches of Anabasis? Horus came out and said it, of course, but the challenges the other characters faced and actions they took didn't seem to resonate with the powers he named. Before Horus said which was which, I was guessing Slaanesh for Sanguinius, Tzeench for the Emperor, and Nurgle for Valdor. I also thought Sanguinius was trapped in a completely illusory environment, the same as Rogal, since there was no mention of the Vengeful Spirit or the Sons of Horus being all mutated and warp-corrupted, with everything instead being just as Sanguinius remembered it from his days on the ship, and I guess that turned out to be completely wrong. But anyway, I thought since Sanguinius was winning handily, that was actually Slaanesh spinning an illusion of glory and triumph to get him addicted to it. Tzeench for the Emperor because of managing to corrupt Custodians, which should have been impossible and seemed like the direct handiwork of the Changer of Ways itself. And Nurgle for Valdor because being stuck in a horrible pit of rotting flesh and demons seems fairly Nurgle-ish. Did anyone else pick up some other impression from it that I missed?
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Kylaer posted:EATD2 spoilers of course, about the Anabasis teams: I love this reading and got zero of it when I read it myself but its a great angle and one i think they could have done alot with. Re: Big E and Dark King I think the Emperor is the god of like purpose or focus or reason. Like think about the way he acts as a focusing crystal for power and the astromotician and when hes railing straight lines of pure chaos right from the chaos pile and maintaining perfect focus and calm. He is so singular in purpose and focus and he believes every atrocity is permitted to accomplish his end goal. He's stronger than the big 4 because eventually all the people taking skulls, infecting their homies, lying and sucking and loving each other across the galaxy are all doing it FOR something. It all rolls up to him, the sense of duty and purpose, of performing an action for something. He has always existed and exists in many, many other multiverses in the 40k universe but has not materialized in our specific 40k universe yet because of reasons we get in the 3rd book. thnx for reading Waroduce fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 8, 2023 |
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Dorne resisting Khorne by being a pedantic nerd about the rules of warfare for centuries was absolutely perfect. The others I agree didn't come off as strong although the writing was great, loved Valdor's sections especially.
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Benagain posted:Dorne resisting Khorne by being a pedantic nerd about the rules of warfare for centuries was absolutely perfect. The others I agree didn't come off as strong although the writing was great, loved Valdor's sections especially. Yeah, I loved how Rogal handled things. Khorne getting all frustrated and saying "Just say it! Just say the words!" was great and also it was pretty funny that Khorne was the one who tried the slow, patient, nonviolent approach to conversion and hosed it up.
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The Dark King is the hypothetical chaos god of Tyranny. He represents the only law that chaos will accept: one which demeans both the ruler and the ruled, where justice is impossible. Why is he in charge? Because he says so, and because he has power. There is no other reason, there doesn't need to be one. Only power matters, and anyone weaker than him only needs to obey, suffer, and die -- and by definition, everyone is weaker than him. If this sounds like it would fit the Imperium very well, you're right! It would!
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Got the LE today for EotD2. #60. The standard edition arrives tomorrow. So. Tempted.
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Kylaer posted:Hate to break it to you but the clocks are all stopped Eventually people are gonna post so many "time does not exist" reference bits that I'm gonna absorb the whole plot of TEatD through a sort of osmosis.
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Benagain posted:Dorne resisting Khorne by being a pedantic nerd about the rules of warfare for centuries was absolutely perfect. The others I agree didn't come off as strong although the writing was great, loved Valdor's sections especially. Kylaer posted:Yeah, I loved how Rogal handled things. Khorne getting all frustrated and saying "Just say it! Just say the words!" was great and also it was pretty funny that Khorne was the one who tried the slow, patient, nonviolent approach to conversion and hosed it up. This was great, but what was especially great was not only that it was irritating Special K, but that Dorn realised it was irritating him and got a little joy out of it. wiegieman posted:The Dark King is the hypothetical chaos god of Tyranny. He represents the only law that chaos will accept: one which demeans both the ruler and the ruled, where justice is impossible. Why is he in charge? Because he says so, and because he has power. There is no other reason, there doesn't need to be one. Only power matters, and anyone weaker than him only needs to obey, suffer, and die -- and by definition, everyone is weaker than him. I think this is a good read.
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wiegieman posted:The Dark King is the hypothetical chaos god of Tyranny. He represents the only law that chaos will accept: one which demeans both the ruler and the ruled, where justice is impossible. Why is he in charge? Because he says so, and because he has power. There is no other reason, there doesn't need to be one. Only power matters, and anyone weaker than him only needs to obey, suffer, and die -- and by definition, everyone is weaker than him. What makes you think this? The Dark King's aspect is stated over and over to be Ruin, never a mention of Tyranny.
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Kylaer posted:What makes you think this? The Dark King's aspect is stated over and over to be Ruin, never a mention of Tyranny. It's only Ruin from the perspective of everyone who isn't the Dark King.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/08/catachans-vs-tyranids-who-are-the-deadliest-predators-in-this-new-astra-militarum-novel/ This weeks Black Library reveal is a new Guard novel, Deathworlder by Victoria Hayward, which pitches Catachans versus nids. 
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Kylaer posted:What makes you think this? The Dark King's aspect is stated over and over to be Ruin, never a mention of Tyranny. That's funny, in WHFB and AoS Ruin is the ostensible domain of the fifth Chaos God the Great Horned Rat.
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Kylaer posted:EATD2 spoilers of course, about the Anabasis teams: I agree with the gist of your post Sanguinius and Nurgle you could see the basic roots of in the description of his wound and the pain it was causing him. It never actually made it tempting him though. Valdor I also didn't really get to see. The grounds were laid in terms of talking about him being backed into a situation where he couldn't strategize or plan, just react but there was no pay off to that in seeing a temptation being offered. I don't really have a problem with big E not being tempted as he was bulldozing through and juicing on the Warp in a way Horus hadn't seemed to anticipate.
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Continued EATD2 Spoilers, because of course. Valdor never got made an offer because he hit his sandevistan as soon as the event began, and the Emperor just absorbed and turned back whatever juice was sent his way because he was in the middle of apotheosis. Nurgle is too clever to waste energy on offers he knows won't be accepted so Sanguinius was never actually tempted.
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Horus: I'll drown you with the warp, father! Big E: Jokes on you, I'm into that poo poo!
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Sextro posted:Continued EATD2 Spoilers, because of course. There is still 800+ pages to go
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euphronius posted:There is still 800+ pages to go Point.
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