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"these so-called Aiel" is unequivocal in its interpretation. I think that exact phrase is used one other time, by some other forsaken. Why would Taim qua Taim ever say that phrase? It requires knowledge both of the old tongue and knowing what the Aiel used to be.
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regulargonzalez posted:"these so-called Aiel" is unequivocal in its interpretation. I think that exact phrase is used one other time, by some other forsaken. Why would Taim qua Taim ever say that phrase? It requires knowledge both of the old tongue and knowing what the Aiel used to be. Then you also have Dashiva just walking around talking to himself in the old tongue with his cover story being a farmer and Rand has no clue.
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CainFortea posted:Then you also have Dashiva just walking around talking to himself in the old tongue with his cover story being a farmer and Rand has no clue. To be fair, Mat does the same thing and everyone thinks Dashiva is half insane already, including Taim.
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Nov 14, 2023 05:55
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Dashiva's death scene is the absolute funniest in the series and based on that its hard to say Rand was wrong to completely discount him.
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Nov 14, 2023 05:57
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silvergoose posted:The exact words are hilarious.
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Nov 14, 2023 06:05
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Getting close to the end of The Great Hunt, and I always forget how late in the book he starts the Egwene plot on earnest. The 77% mark.
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Zore posted:Dashiva's death scene is the absolute funniest in the series and based on that its hard to say Rand was wrong to completely discount him. It's tight between him and Be'lal showing up on page once and getting immediately balefired by a "so called Aes Sedai" according to the Forsaken
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Nov 14, 2023 12:28
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81sidewinder posted:Just finished my first read, mostly loved it. What is everyone's thoughts on Taimandred? Did RJ really change the story because his message boards figured out his twist? lmao yeah he changed it, and for that reason there was some literary evidence about it too
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I just finished Winters Heart on my reread. The battle near Shadar Logoth is so funny. All these "super powerful" Forsaken showing up and getting dunked on. Demandred pops in, hee hee I'm gonna getcha Lews Therin OH NO! They all just are constantly getting hosed, and as usual the only remotely capable one is ya girl Graendal (whom I have fanciest as Jane Krakowski).
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Nov 14, 2023 13:56
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Robert Jordan’s Waste of Time [BOOK SPOILERS] would have made some of this make more sense. He changed it, and for that reason. Do we ever find out where the sea folk build their ships?
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Anias posted:Do we ever find out where the sea folk build their ships? Tremalking.
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Anias posted:Robert Jordan’s Waste of Time [BOOK SPOILERS] would have made some of this make more sense. He changed it, and for that reason. I would assume on their islands.
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Data Graham posted:Up their sleevies Idiot, sea folk don't wear sleevies (or shirts even!)
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Devorum posted:I would assume on their islands. Jedit posted:Tremalking. Thanks for the obvious answer, I suppose I should have added did the text ever expand on that with a descriptive passage of the shipyards or similar?
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81sidewinder posted:Just finished my first read, mostly loved it. What is everyone's thoughts on Taimandred? Did RJ really change the story because his message boards figured out his twist? lmao But, but - but. I don't think that means that much because Jordan unfortunately passed away before he could finish his books. That note could have been written very early in the process, before he internally commited to any real answer. I write stuff for my own amusement and I sure as hell have a lot of random notes about all sorts of poo poo that doesn't make sense for the most recent draft of the thing. If you want to think about authorial intent the only thing that matters is what Jordan would have written into the books he never got to write, and we're all guessing about that. There's no good answer because we didn't get the actual book by the same writer. Sanderson did a really good job though and for one I loving love Demandred / Bao the Wyld.
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I'm fairly confident it wasn't Sanderson that decided Taim was not Demandred, regardless of the original intent
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Yea, as much as I think Sanderson is an idiot goober sometimes, everything he and Team Jordan have said about him finishing the series is that he wanted to maintain as much of what Jordan put into it as possible.
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Nihilarian posted:I'm fairly confident it wasn't Sanderson that decided Taim was not Demandred, regardless of the original intent Yeah I agree, it was Winter's Heart where Kisman had Taim and then Demandred tell him to kill Rand, and Demandred even told him not to tell Taim. That was the nail in the coffin for me.
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Jordan also explicitly denied Taim was Demandred around Winter's Heart's release. The only thing the note really confirms is that he changed his plans over the course of writing the novels which isn't exactly shocking. His explicit quote before the release of Winter's Heart was that "We have not seen Demandred appear in disguise in the series yet." so it was decided well before his death or Sanderson's run. Zore fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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Zore posted:Jordan also explicitly denied Taim was Demandred around Winter's Heart's release. The only thing the note really confirms is that he changed his plans over the course of writing the novels which isn't exactly shocking. Related, but I do think along with the Elayne and Faile plotlines the Black Tower plot was Jordan's biggest whiff. It's just a bit absurd how no one pays too much attention to these hundreds of male channelers gathering, and Rand himself just sort of forgets about them like they were the Iron Fleet.
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JOHN SKELETON posted:That's really interesting and something I've not heard before. Yeah I went and dug back through the Theoryland arguments about Taimandred which was the second most common topic there for like 2 decades after 'who killed Asmodean' :v Lots of archive links to old Jordan interviews and such.
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Zore posted:Jordan also explicitly denied Taim was Demandred around Winter's Heart's release. The only thing the note really confirms is that he changed his plans over the course of writing the novels which isn't exactly shocking. That, plus Demandred had no clue who Damer was, and if he was Taim he would have known. FWIW the guy who said he “Found it in the files” was the biggest “TAIM IS DEMANDRED” person on dragonmount/theoryland so I take it with an inkling of salt. Certainly a possibility early on, but it also could be the early note was from before Taim even showed up and Jordan had since changed his mind. E: Roedran showing up at Merrill’s in AMoL and Rand going “Huh, I thought it was you” was Sanderson including his own theory/a popular fan theory into the story. Demandred essentially doing what Rand was doing in the Westlands but in the far larger Shara actually works super well (since he is hyper competent and “Could have been the dragon” back in the Age of Legends) and Shara gets enough mentions for them showing up at the last battle a super fun surprise. RembrandtQEinstein fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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I personally like the idea that Rand was such an rear end in a top hat to Taim that he singlehandedly turned him into a darkfriend.
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Anias posted:Thanks for the obvious answer, I suppose I should have added did the text ever expand on that with a descriptive passage of the shipyards or similar? The only real description we get of the islands is when those people on Tremalking commit mass suicide because the Choedan Kal starts glowing during the Cleansing.
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Devorum posted:The only real description we get of the islands is when those people on Tremalking commit mass suicide because the Choedan Kal starts glowing during the Cleansing. To Make An Anchor Weep 
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Pleads posted:To Make An Anchor Weep I really like the prose in that chapter. Just the way the grief is portrayed, both in and out of the wavemistress' head.
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Demandred essentially doing what Rand was doing in the Westlands but in the far larger Shara actually works super well (since he is hyper competent and “Could have been the dragon” back in the Age of Legends) and Shara gets enough mentions for them showing up at the last battle a super fun surprise. It’s fun to translate the Randland experience into our geography. You know America/Seanchan wouldn’t give a drat if a world ending threat was dealt with overseas because if it’s not on American soil it didn’t happen.
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Democratic Pirate posted:It’s fun to translate the Randland experience into our geography. You know America/Seanchan wouldn’t give a drat if a world ending threat was dealt with overseas because if it’s not on American soil it didn’t happen. Unless that overseas location had an exploitable natural resource, like oil or marath'damane
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NeurosisHead posted:Unless that overseas location had an exploitable natural resource, like oil or marath'damane fuuuuuuck
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RIP Ingtar, you deserved better than the show gave you. On to book 3, excited to see Mat whomp some nobles.
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silvergoose posted:I really like the prose in that chapter. Just the way the grief is portrayed, both in and out of the wavemistress' head. Yeah. It was worth the reread.
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Well it took until 25% of the way through The Shadow Rising in her readalong, but my mother finally said to me today "You know, I think the books are way better than the show. Who thought trying to adapt this thing into a TV show as a good idea?"  The journey is complete. (Still still loves the poo poo out of the show, FYI)
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pik_d posted:It's tight between him and Be'lal showing up on page once and getting immediately balefired by a "so called Aes Sedai" according to the Forsaken Be'lal getting chumped gets funnier each reread
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Everything popping off at the Tower near the end of Towers of Midnight is everything I like about this series Jesus christ
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RC Cola posted:Be'lal getting chumped gets funnier each reread "Remember when we took the tame sport called Swords and learned to kill with it?" "PARRY THIS YOU loving CASUAL"
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nine-gear crow posted:Well it took until 25% of the way through The Shadow Rising in her readalong, but my mother finally said to me today "You know, I think the books are way better than the show. Who thought trying to adapt this thing into a TV show as a good idea?" We need UBI so some inspired animator doesn't need their lovely 9-5 and can focus on adapting WoT into a thousand-episode anime, the way it was intended. The more I read Brandon Sanderson the more I see how hard he tries to get those superhero/anime hero action tropes into his combats (Stormlight especially) compared to RJ's writing which somehow converts the simple name of sword forms into a flowing and evocative duel scene.
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Pleads posted:We need UBI so some inspired animator doesn't need their lovely 9-5 and can focus on adapting WoT into a thousand-episode anime, the way it was intended. Interpretive dance on a round stage would be a better format than anime. 875 of these 1000 episodes would just be rand making choking sounds staring down while his pupils shake if it were an anime. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Nov 17, 2023 |
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Pleads posted:We need UBI so some inspired animator doesn't need their lovely 9-5 and can focus on adapting WoT into a thousand-episode anime, the way it was intended. The trick IMO with RJs writing is when he talks about the sword forms is that he doesn't try and describe in much detail what is happening, but lets your own imagination run with what he writes and it creates a coherent and flowing scene in your head.
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