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I love John's voice. I can't recall if it was Keeble who voiced him first, but they went with it and were cursed henceforth. Hell, nearly every other character Keebs have done has changed voices as one point or another (most memorably, Rowboat turned weirdly nasal at one point, and then he was back to normal the next book), but John's awful accent is so memorable that there's no way they could've changed it.
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Guessing you've read The Infinite and The Divine, Brutal Kunnin, Warboss, Ghazkull, and the two Twice-Dead King books if you say you like xeno stuff - if not, they're all good, although Twice-Dead is very different in tone than the others. There's a Necron short story titled Severed that's amazing too. Outside of xeno stuff...you've read Eisenhorn, right? The thread titled used to be "Read Eisenhorn then come back" and it is still fully apt.
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If you like xenos books because of their outside or different perspective I would strongly recommend Lords of Silence.
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That accent showed up on the most recent episode of Classic Ghost Stories podcast (The Canterville Ghost) and I couldn't get over how two different narrators did the same surprised Chicago gangster voice for Americans.
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Kylaer posted:Guessing you've read The Infinite and The Divine, Brutal Kunnin, Warboss, Ghazkull, and the two Twice-Dead King books if you say you like xeno stuff - if not, they're all good, although Twice-Dead is very different in tone than the others. I have read, or at least own, most of the titles you mentioned. I bought the necron titles but decided to read Beast Arises first for some reason. I might go back to them now, just kind of wondering if there is something else I haven’t looked into that maybe I should, I’ve generally discounted most of the imperium focused stuff in the past. I have not read Eisenhorn, so if thats a must read I may go to that next. D-Pad posted:If you like xenos books because of their outside or different perspective I would strongly recommend Lords of Silence. Thanks, that is why I like them (largely), so I’ll check that one out.
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Read the Necron books, Eisenhorn, or Lords of Silence. All are good choices.
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nesbit37 posted:Just finished reading the last book in the 12 part Beast Arises series. F
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If there's a theme to the Beast series maybe it's what if orkz operated like the imperium?
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Fearless posted:If space marine SAMs disturb you, I got real bad news about the installation of a Geller fied generator. What goes in to that? I am not familiar with that bit
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Grilled Beef posted:What goes in to that? I am not familiar with that bit Psykers. Well, parts of them. The important parts, anyways!
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Grilled Beef posted:What goes in to that? I am not familiar with that bit Remember the tubes for people in The Matrix? Preechr posted:Psykers. Well, parts of them. The important parts, anyways! Enough of one where they can dream a magic bubble that keeps demons away, till they burn out. 
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MariusLecter posted:If there's a theme to the Beast series maybe it's what if orkz operated like the imperium? And someone at GW said "yes this is good idea" like the world's smartest Ogryn.
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Gellar fields predate human psykers being common -- they are a requirement for effective warp travel. They can't all have "organic components".
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Yeah it's a creepy little detail for one specific type of field, but most other fields use some sort of more mundane supertech.
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Nov 17, 2023 09:53
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Black Griffon posted:Yeah it's a creepy little detail for one specific type of field, but most other fields use some sort of more mundane supertech. Yes but that takes a lot of specialized work and materials  Alternatively: get in the magic life force/soul draining tube, psyker.
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Arc Hammer posted:the world's smartest Ogryn. She's a minor character in the Ghazghkull book, and she's awesome  quote:‘No such thing as a grot psyker,’ said the ogryn psyker, then grunted in mild annoyance as Falx raised an eyebrow at the irony. Kylaer fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Nov 17, 2023 |
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Do the AdMech really not do science or research or invent things? The Genefather books seem to imply that specifically. So what do the tech-priests do all day? Why do they all have laboratories and workshops and such…they have to be either building new things or taking apart old things or…something. The machine-spirit superstitions, and the taboos on certain kinds of tech, and the focus on rediscovering old tech to the point that it stifles innovation, those all make sense to me, but if you have an entire caste of tech experts, they must be doing SOMETHING. (Is the real answer “this is what British public schools in the 1960s taught about the ‘Dark Ages’”?)
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I'm no expert, but it seems the Admech has factions. Some are super anti-invention and just want to chase and recovers STCs. Some skirt that in different dogmatic ways. Cawl apparently goes "Hey, the human inventors of the past were AWESOME. So they already invented -everything-. Therefore, anything I invent was already invented by them, so it's just recovery! Owned by facts and logic." which is...emm, kinda crap, but whatever.
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Nov 17, 2023 17:29
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Cawl's intro in the heresy is basically "yes I invented something, thus placing myself above the Omnissiah in His infinite wisdom, but (ben shapiro voice) actually—". He's had ten thousand years of practice being a little poo poo.
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He's not wrong though.
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Every tech-priest knows exactly where the Line That Must Not Be Crossed is, with regard to forbidden archaeotech, xeno tech, warp-adjacent tech, etc.: it's just the slightest hair past the really cool thing they want to do. Cawl is absolutely a heretek by the view of most of the Mechanicus.
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Azubah posted:He's not wrong though. Oh I'd say that a great many people who go against the orthodoxy of the admech are right on the money, but he is a bit of a poo poo.
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Cawl also has memories of the scientists who existed before the heresy, so it must be pretty frustrating to have to tiptoe around what are very enthusiastically repressed cave people in comparison all day. The vibe I got of the admech is that more heretical members might do actual studies and logs of xenotech, or attempt to use them or improve the existing old tech using the knowledge gained, but your average tech priest is content to sit and maintain only what already exists and is sanctioned, and that's what they do in workshops all day, fix the rapidly decaying infrastructure and equipment of the imperium. Exploratory Fleets travel around looking for stcs and other constructs of the like, since those are sanctioned archaeotech. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Nov 17, 2023 |
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I really enjoyed the bit in Betrayer (I think?) where the traitor tech priests talks about how he helped the Emperor examine Angron's nails. I think I remember it being mentioned elsewhere in the heresy series that the Emperor isn't actually all-knowing or competent in all fields and frequently the reason he keeps the super smart people around is so he can piggy-back on their knowledge and experience by psychic osmosis.
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AFAICT they will freely invent and improve and rebuild "normal" technology but will not attempt to OFFICIALLY improve or invent archeotech that comes from STCs. So as an example they will endlessly fiddle with the stock and scope and handles of a lasgun but will never really touch the battery pack.
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Cawl is saying that while standing in a temple on a dark age world-platform sited on an artificial lagrange point in a seven-star system, which itself is made of technology that seems to be alive, and can open webway gates. So, he may have a point.
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Is it a secret that Cawl is as old as the Heresy and used to (indirectly) hang around with Big E, or do at least the senior AdMech know? I don't hate Cawl's unorthodoxy and his Primaris as much as others do, and I can forgive that he was introduced so abruptly, but I really dislike that he was given a 10,000-year backstory. It was a very big deal for a very long time that Bjorn was the only publicly known 30k guy still around in 40k, and it was part of the theme. The 40k Imperium has forgotten the glories of the Unification / Great Crusade era, and the only one who remembers is a half-dead grognard stored in a freezer. Now it turns out that one of the most prominent and active AdMech leaders, who is also an extremely chatty dude who travels with his own ship and collaborates with many forge worlds, happens to be from 30k and relatively sane. Whoops. And it's super clumsy storytelling to materialise a new 30k guy right at the same time as you resurrect a Primarch. Most of all, it was completely unnecessary! Guilliman is pragmatism incarnate, if Cawl had "only" been a 3500-year-old magos who had been running private heretek geneseed experiments, Bobbie would have been more than happy to cover for him. The convenient "I just remembered that I gave you the Primaris mission before taking a nap" story could have easily been an in-universe bullshit meant for the High Lords and Chapter Masters.
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NihilCredo posted:Is it a secret that Cawl is as old as the Heresy and used to (indirectly) hang around with Big E, or do at least the senior AdMech know? I think they handwave a lot of his 30k-ness with "I been memory wiped more than once!" and "It's just depressing bringing up the facts and truths to these blissfully ignorant dopes around me"
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moths posted:Has Cawl actually shown up in the Horus Heresy books though? Yeah he's basically a college student building a supercomputer in his dorm room in Wolfsbane (released in 2018, dunno how that lines up with Rowboat getting rezzed), it's fun. I have no context for hating Cawl, and as such I like him.
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The key to understanding the Admech is that they are all, to a man/woman/being that has transcended gender, MASSIVE hypocrites
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Black Griffon posted:Yeah it's a creepy little detail for one specific type of field, but most other fields use some sort of more mundane supertech. It does work with the whole "the Emperor was trying to turn the human race into some sort of psychic successor race" in that the Imperium is now chewing through what psykers it can find as part of its war-machine as sanctioned psykers, logistics as interstellar windshield-wipers, and feeding them to the Golden Throne. Whoever is sitting on it.
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Had a silly thought about volume 3: What if the timelocked moment of the siege has actually locked the throneroom in for ten thousand years and the rift opening is the consequence of Horus dying and the Emperor finally making it back to replace Malcador on the throne.
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in principle the admech can invent stuff and are in fact encouraged to, as long as it is based on principles of science revealed by the divine omnissiah and laid down by previous generations. in practice this is observed to a greater or lesser extent, but even magi who want to push the boundaries of science are hamstrung by the need to root, or at least justify, all innovations in divine revelation. there’s a very cool discussion of this in The Inheritor King. an adept is sent to evaluate some wrecked Heritor Asphodel woe machines, particularly the superheavy Inheritor King. throughout the story it’s hinted at that he’s seeking some deep and horrible truth so significant it’s been hidden in a secret part of his mind. eventually the King, which is apparently sentient, takes him over, only for him to turn the tables and explain the nature of his mission to it: The admech believes that all inspiration comes from the omnissiah. Since chaos obviously has hereteks, and the omnissiah wouldn’t help them, their inspiration comes from the warp instead: equal and opposite. But asphodel’s work is different. The awful, blasphemous truth, so dangerous that it must be hidden from all but the very most senior magi, is that he didn’t learn how to build his machines from the whispering of the warp: he figured it out by himself.
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Unless they retconned it there's also a complete STC library just like, sitting on an imperial held planet that has some weird order of monks keeping it a secret.
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Telsa Cola posted:Unless they retconned it there's also a complete STC library just like, sitting on an imperial held planet that has some weird order of monks keeping it a secret. The Leagues of Votann have actual working STC builders which is a step beyond even that and pretty much their entire society is devoted to making sure the Imperium never finds out
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Telsa Cola posted:Unless they retconned it there's also a complete STC library just like, sitting on an imperial held planet that has some weird order of monks keeping it a secret. Several Ark Mechanicus are rumored to have an STC in them also, but theyre so deeply buried in the structure nobody but a few servitors knows about them. It's possible ALL of them do.
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Deep in the depths of Mars is a portal to a chaos free realm and that's why no one ever returns. Why would they?
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I wonder if there’s anyone else from 30k that we know as part of Cawl’s gestalt…thing. Does he eat Arkhan Land? Is Valdor actually NOT the king in yellow, he’s a brain in Cawl’s backpack? Could be anybody, the dumber the better. (I hope he does not eat Arkhan Land, I would love a horror/scouring novel about him finding something terrifying in a vault somewhere)
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My theory is Bastillo Fo is Crawl or at least all the important parts of him.
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