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Based on the battlepass mission requiring 6 turnins, I assume that's the worst-case scenario if the event is actually meant to force trading on some people. But I don't recall having to trade last time.
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Hi thread, newish player here. I've been playing this whole time kinda haphazardly and without looking at external resources (build guides, etc.) to help me progress, and now I'm stuck at Adventure Level 45 and can't beat the Ascension quest to progress to the next level. I have some general questions:
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Rabbit Hill posted:In Sumeru and Fontaine, there are jewelry vendors (with their own diamond icons on the map) that won't sell you anything -- what's up with that? Is that future content that hasn't been released yet? Answering this one because it's the one I can answer easily and I'm on mobile. Sorry. Their shops don't open until you max out the level of something else (Tree of Dreams for Sumeru, Fountain of Lucine for Fontaine) that you basically feed all your dendro/hydro sigils to for rewards.
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Without consulting external resources, there is no actual clue what stats are good for what character, nor which character works well with others. There is no in game handholding beyond the general tutorials that will do nothing for you regarding how to gear a specific character or who would work best in a specific team. As for talents, while each character has multiple talents, half of them are passives that have no level. The three you can improve are basic attack, their skill, and their ultimate. Which of these to level up first depends on the specific character, but again, there is no in game help to figure this out. Some characters are really only on a team to swap in, use their skill, then swap out (Kuki and Fischl). Others are really only there for the power their ult brings (Xiangling is a good example). Characters you keep on field most of the time doing normal or charge attacks are the ones you'll bother leveling that first skill (Ganyu, Neuvillette, Diluc, etc). The moral of the story is: if you want to optimize anything or power up in a meaningful way, consult external resources. For most individual character questions this spreadsheet will get you 90% of the way there for everything at your AR level. Team building is always more of 'depends on what characters/options you have available' and more of a nuanced thing.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Hi thread, newish player here. I've been playing this whole time kinda haphazardly and without looking at external resources (build guides, etc.) to help me progress, and now I'm stuck at Adventure Level 45 and can't beat the Ascension quest to progress to the next level. I have some general questions: It is 100% "Read the talents and the tab that tells you the numbers/scaling for them" to every build question, on top of a basic "find synergies". How to pick which characters to use? Well they all have different abilities that do different things, pick the ones that complement each other/build elemental reactions. Got an awesome main DPS who damages themselves? You probably want a healer of some kind. Gonna build Cyno, who has an incredibly long burst and wants to be on field for 15+ seconds at a time? Your other chars probably need to have abilities that last similarly long time or you're gonna lose DPS. Pick your main character for the team, figure out which reactions are possible with their element, which characters you have that work with those elements, and who can fulfill various roles (main dps, sub dps, support being the main 3 roles). Easy rule is pick one reaction and focus on that, but you can get as simple (mono element) or complex as you want. The character will also determine this, since Lyney wants mono-pyro because of his abilities. How to stat them out? Read the talents to determine what they do, how they scale, etc. If your healer's heal skill scales off of Max HP, you probably wanna stack HP%. If they don't have any special scaling, it's basically just down to their role. DPS probably wants crit at a 2:1 ratio because that's just optimal given the rules of the game. If you've got dendro reactions in the mix, they probably also want EM. Talent priority, it depends on your team and rotation. Are you using the talent? If not, don't touch it. Tons of characters you can leave normal attacks at lvl 1 because you just never use it during the rotation. Main DPS though, you probably need to make it your #1 priority. Freeze Ganyu often doesn't cast her burst because of the long casting time, so why bother spending the time/resources to level it up? ZhongLi is a shield bot and shall only shield, not gonna waste my time leveling up his ability to hit things with a stick. This is basically a stamina-limited mobile game in terms of actual character power progress, so anything you spend on upgrading takes some % of your productive play time. You don't need to min-max making sure you never waste a point of resin or anything, but you also don't wanna spend it on things you're never gonna use. Or you can checkout KQM or the google doc where someone else has done the math to determine what's gonna be optimal, and you can just aim for something close to that.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Hi thread, newish player here. I've been playing this whole time kinda haphazardly and without looking at external resources (build guides, etc.) to help me progress, and now I'm stuck at Adventure Level 45 and can't beat the Ascension quest to progress to the next level. I have some general questions: You mostly just have to read their talent descriptions. Some characters specifically have abilities/passives that scale from EM. General rule of thumb is that characters that do a lot of reactions want EM: -Anemo characters that swirl a lot (Venti/Sucrose/Kazuha/Anemo Traveler) or specifically scale with EM as part of their abilities (Kazuha/Sayu). These usually want lots of EM. -Electro characters that are off-field a lot and help you with reactions (Fischl/Kuki Shinobu/Yae Miko). Some others can be built towards this as well (Lisa/Raiden Shogun). Lots of EM as well, the big payoff for this is frequently the hyperbloom reaction (Dendro+Hydro, then hitting the Bloom with Electro), which requires only the electro character to have tons of EM. -Electro/Dendro characters that are on-field in a quicken/aggrevate team comp (Electro+Dendro reaction) benefit a bit from EM, but it probably shouldn't be your sole focus (Keqing/Cyno/Alhaitham/Tighnari) -Some Dendro characters (Nahida/Alhaitham/Kaveh) have EM scaling on their abilities or specific gimmicks concerning it. These want lots of EM. -Some pyro characters like aiming for a small amount of EM, since Vaporize/Melt reactions are easy to set up with characters like Xingqiu/Yelan/Furina/Rosaria/Diona et cetera. Of note: Most reactions (with the exception of melt and vaporize) scale with level as well as EM, so you might want to level your characters first in order to increase their reaction damage. Superconduct never deals any damage, but it's pretty relevant to level your characters for Overload/Burgeon/Hyperbloom/Bloom/Swirl-damage. Hydro, Cryo and Geo units frequently don't care for EM. Geo never wants EM. Cryo has some gimmicky shatter/melt builds, but that's more something that people eventually try to make work for fun, rather than something to really think about. Rabbit Hill posted:[*] Also within the game itself, what info will tell me which characters work well together in a team and which don't, beyond their elemental compatibility? For example, if I know I need a pyro character in a team and all my pyro characters are equally strong, what information would let me determine that (based on the composition of my team) I should use (say) Bennett and not Xiangling? So far, I've been treating the characters of the same element and strength as basically interchangeable except for how fun/annoying they are to play. This is mostly just down to experience. Team builds are usually based around supportive abilities that last while the characters is off-field. Like Bennetts and Xianglings ultimate sticking around when you switch to someone else. You'll benefit from Bennetts ATK bonus after switching to a more offensively focused character and Xianglings pyronado spins around inflicting pyro on enemies that you can then use with other characters to do reactions. That kind of thing. Rabbit Hill posted:[*]In Sumeru and Fontaine, there are jewelry vendors (with their own diamond icons on the map) that won't sell you anything -- what's up with that? Is that future content that hasn't been released yet? Sumeru, Inazuma and Fontaine have an additional receptacle for their respective elemental sigil coin things. You need to finish those first before the jewelry vendor opens shop, since these other ways to spend sigils actually give you much better rewards. The jewelry vendors in Inazuma and Sumeru only sell decorative items for your teapot. The Fontaine vendor isn't accessible to anyone yet, since those sigils cannot be maxed out in the current patch. Fontaine sigils get spent at the big fountain in front of the Opera Epiclese Inazuma sigils get spent at the Sacred Sakura in Narukami Shrine Sumeru sigils get spent in Vanarana (It's in the northwest of the rain forest) Zwiebel fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Rabbit Hill posted:within the game itself (so, not consulting external resources) Best of luck, friend
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Thanks for your detailed responses! I will read them and internalize them slowly.  But: Hobbes posted:The moral of the story is: if you want to optimize anything or power up in a meaningful way, consult external resources. (Uh...I'm not crying, it's just raining outside....)
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You don't really need to study spreadsheets super hard until you're trying to do things like The Abyss or get hard-stuck against bosses. You'll be getting quests that increase your Adventure Rank cap. I wouldn't recommend doing this until you're comfortably killing everything at your level, because it can be a pretty steep increase in difficulty if you're not prepared. You don't have to worry about losing Adventure Rank experience, it banks and once you decide to complete the quest, it will restore the banked experience you got. I think one time I had stayed capped for so long I got 8 levels immediately. Generally you should focus first on whichever playstyle you prefer. Either with a Main DPS that will be on the field most of the time (Razor, Eula, Neuvillette), or an elemental team that will constantly swap out to create reactions (Such as Hyperbloom). Since you're still new it's really going to depend on what you get out of the gacha aspect so if you want to post your team and one or two characters you enjoy playing now, we can craft a team for you in the thread. Generally if you have nobody else, Xiangling is a good first Main DPS to start on because she's relevant at pretty much all points of the game (You can either use her as main DPS and keep her on the field, or just focus on her skill/ultimate which can do a ton of pyro damage off field) This game is definitely a marathon, not a sprint. Unless you make a b-line to finish the Archon (Main story) quests immediately there's hundreds and hundreds of hours of things to do in this game. There's the Tea-Pot (Which is a house building sim that gives you some bonuses including extra Resin, leveling books, and passive friendship levels), there's fishing which can give you some pretty great Free To Play weapons, there's Hangout events which are like half visual novel, half gameplay and if you're some kind of masochist you can open up an interactive map and collect every single treasure chest in a nation. The only thing that's really locked behind a timer in this game is character strength (Leveling up a character, leveling up weapons, leveling up talents) and outside of that you're free to do pretty much anything else. Even if you're trying to farm overworld items to level up a character and run out, you can just use the multiplayer menu to go to someone's world, ask if it's alright to farm items, and continue on your merry way (It also works for fishing if you want to complete that in one sitting) This is the guide that helped me fix my account when I was still doing really dumb stuff and wasting my time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHa_qWCWWy8 As the guide says, and I agree, there's no reason to ascend past 45 if you're not ready. I'd focus on making your team as powerful as possible before attempting to level up anymore because it just gets harder after that Tampa Bae fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Rabbit Hill posted:[*]How can you tell -- within the game itself (so, not consulting external resources) -- which kinds of stats to focus on when picking artifacts for each character? For example, take elemental mastery -- where do I need to look within the game itself to learn that [Characters A, G, and M] need high elemental mastery stats but [Characters J, P, and S] don't? Rabbit Hill posted:[*] Also within the game itself, what info will tell me which characters work well together in a team and which don't, beyond their elemental compatibility? For example, if I know I need a pyro character in a team and all my pyro characters are equally strong, what information would let me determine that (based on the composition of my team) I should use (say) Bennett and not Xiangling? So far, I've been treating the characters of the same element and strength as basically interchangeable except for how fun/annoying they are to play. Even though this game's gameplay is simple the mechanics are shockingly rich with entire comps built around stuff like unintuitive bennett burst interactions. Rabbit Hill posted:[*]On the Talents screen, where it tells you the order of priority in building up each talent, does that mean you should aim to max out Talent #1 before moving on to adding any levels to Talent #2? (So after ascending a few times, your Talent #1 would be at, say, Level 6 and the other talents would still be Level 1.) No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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I think one of the big reasons people are so quick to run to an online guide with this game is that it takes around a month of real time to fully build a new character (max levels, talents, artifacts), so only the extremely patient (or longtime veterans) can afford the trial-and-error required to just play around with various characters and teams to see what really works best. The investment is just so massive that it feels safer to consult an external resource until you've gathered enough scraps along the way to branch out for yourself. The hardest endgame content (Spiral Abyss) also seems balanced with the expectation that players attempting the challenge will have taken advantage of the combined experience of 50 million people or whatever the playerbase is at these days.
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darkgray posted:I think one of the big reasons people are so quick to run to an online guide with this game is that it takes around a month of real time to fully build a new character (max levels, talents, artifacts), so only the extremely patient (or longtime veterans) can afford the trial-and-error required to just play around with various characters and teams to see what really works best. The investment is just so massive that it feels safer to consult an external resource until you've gathered enough scraps along the way to branch out for yourself.
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Rabbit Hill posted:Thanks for your detailed responses! I will read them and internalize them slowly. I've never worked in an office so when people say 'spreadsheets' I assume they mean it literally, like Microsodt Excel spreadsheets but from what I've been using they're more like proper documents. https://keqingmains.com/nahida/ If nothing else they're helpful for figuring out what artifact set to give someone. The in-game main stat tab doesn't tell you what you should equip just that everyone builds Kazuha for EM and Fischl as Atk%, Electro dmg, and crit rate or damage.
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RareAcumen posted:I've never worked in an office so when people say 'spreadsheets' I assume they mean it literally, like Microsodt Excel spreadsheets but from what I've been using they're more like proper documents. https://keqingmains.com/nahida/
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I’m also a newbie (AR21!) and this is super helpful. I need something to help me keep track of what items I need to farm for/buy/craft for different characters and artifacts and weapons and such, because they are all a blur to me. I assume there are patterns that emerge (Hydro all need this for their ascensions, 40 ascension is 3-star items, etc) and I may or may not learn those over time. Right now I’m just heading to Liyue as the game unsubtly recommends, and trying to get my core teams levelled enough to keep up with the content. I don’t even have a camera!
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Subjunctive posted:I’m also a newbie (AR21!) and this is super helpful. I need something to help me keep track of what items I need to farm for/buy/craft for different characters and artifacts and weapons and such, because they are all a blur to me. I assume there are patterns that emerge (Hydro all need this for their ascensions, 40 ascension is 3-star items, etc) and I may or may not learn those over time. Gonna recommend this website, after you fill out your inventory, it does most of the 'what can I/ should I grind for today' https://genshin-center.com/planner
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No Wave posted:I mean the game is straight up confusing. The most important mechanic in elemental reactions, ICD, isn't exposed in-game at all and half of the strong characters in the game are only strong because of ICD. There are tons of reasons to read guides there's a massive amount of interactions. I guess it depends how you're playing it. It's got in-game descriptions of all the reactions, and just "make lots of reactions!" is going to more than get you through stuff. Anything past that, though, is exactly like every other game with mechanics deeper than Press Button. It's not the most complex game but I feel like if you're explicitly stating "in-game" you already know you're going to have to go wiki/spreadsheet diving. Being nearly complete with Sumeru, they really dialed poo poo up there. Time-locked quests that require revisiting places you otherwise wouldn't, items that drop after a reset where some NPC once was, doors deep in caves/dungeons that you can only unlock way later, new mechanics in every area, objects that are a mystery until you're down a quest chain requiring two daily resets that also require an earlier long quest chain with its own requirements... it's a lot. At one point I was pining for the days of strategy guides just so I'd have a sequential walkthrough for everything.
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Incoherence posted:I think they're referring to the spreadsheet in the OP, which is a fairly quick overview for every character. The full guides on KeqingMains go into more detail on weapon choices, team compositions, etc. but they're probably overkill unless you're building for floor 11/12. Oh that would explain it, I haven't used the spreadsheet in like 5 patches now ever since KeqingMains got brought to my attention while I was trying to put together a good Genius Invokation TCG deck.
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Anora posted:Working on Furina, trying to get her up to 90, and man, why can I find Whopper Flowers when I'm just running around, but the second I NEED them, they gently caress off? Uncheck the Oculus at the top, check Teleporters, Domains, and Statues of the 7. Then scroll down towards the bottom and check all the Wopperflowers. For some reason the in-game guide only gives you like 15 or so before going on cooldown and it's nowhere close to as many are in the actual game
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Why on earth are world bosses capable of dropping as few as 2 ascension mats still, at WL8!? Have started prefarming for Navia and most of my Icewind Suite drops are just 2s, which sucks. WL9/10 when?
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Kale posted:https://www-recordchina-co-jp.translate.goog/b924120-s25-c30-d0193.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp The worst part is, he was only 45 minutes of dialogue from finishing the groundhog day storyline in Sumeru.
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Kale posted:https://www-recordchina-co-jp.translate.goog/b924120-s25-c30-d0193.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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Meowywitch posted:I'm at 40 rolls and I'm curious what my percent chance to get Furina in every roll at this point I'm not sure anyone has official numbers but it's something like 0.5% or 0.6% per pull until you hit pity, at which point it starts going up by 6% for each pull past 74. e: to get a 5-star at all, sorry. without a guarantee halve that as the poster below me notes Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 22, 2023 |
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Meowywitch posted:I'm at 40 rolls and I'm curious what my percent chance to get Furina in every roll at this point
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Any Furina c1 havers? How do you like it compared to c0? I know personally when I get constellations I always overly justify it so I’m looking for some objectivity - I am at exactly 75 pulls, and I am starting to doubt since I’m not really having any difficulty issues so c1 is starting to feel like I might not value it over being right at pity for Navia. But I also know that the last archon I got constellations for I didn’t regret it (Raiden). With Neuvi (who is c1) i don’t think I would feel the c1 much since he builds stacks quickly but I’m thinking maybe in other teams, and since she slots into other teams it could be worth it. However with Navia and also with me wanting to get Ganyu’s mom I’m starting to consider that I should save the 5 star pull. Hoping to hear some experiences either way about how c1 feels. I don’t have her weapon (using Festering Desire) if that matters.
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rio posted:Any Furina c1 havers? How do you like it compared to c0? I know personally when I get constellations I always overly justify it so I’m looking for some objectivity - I am at exactly 75 pulls, and I am starting to doubt since I’m not really having any difficulty issues so c1 is starting to feel like I might not value it over being right at pity for Navia. But I also know that the last archon I got constellations for I didn’t regret it (Raiden).
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